Not me. Someone accidentally put the wine tag on a beer can with that car.
Cheers,
Kennith
Disco 5: Let the depression set in
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Not me. Someone accidentally put the wine tag on a beer can with that car.
Cheers,
Kennith
I think your wrong Kenny. From what I've seen of the Range Rover Sport I'm thinking this will be a good truck. My only complaint is it's going to have to be a V6. I would rather have the 4 cyl diesel, or a petrol v8.I'm kind of thinking the new Defender will be built off the LR4 platform.
I've seen a handful of the Discoverys around. Sad indeed. The LR3/4s are ugly as sin, but they have some form/function to them that keeps them useable. The Discovery has little in redeeming qualities, but understand the need for a smaller, efficient vehicle within the lineup. I do find it humorous though when people start talking about off road ability with these platforms. Somehow thinking if you shove enough technology in them, it will compensate for their lake of functional design in those environments. But then again gravel roads, muddy parking lots and snow covered roadways can be challenging to some.
If you think LR really cares about its history and heritage, have a look at Harley Davidson.
If you think LR really cares about its history and heritage, have a look at Harley Davidson.
What you've been seeing is the Discovery Sport. The new Discovery doesn't go on sale for another couple of months. The Discovery Sport is the replacement for the Freelander/LR2. The forthcoming Discovery replaces the LR4.
The Discovery Sport and Discovery will look similar in the way that the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport look similar - one is scaled down a bit. I've sat in the Discovery Sport and it is comfortable (no surprise) and every review of it I've seen in Rover magazines suggests it's an improvement in capability over the LR2. This is not a high bar to clear, but at least the engineering is including some thought towards offroad use.
On paper the new Discovery (5) looks like it would do nearly as well as the LR3/4 off road. As a broader statement on LR design trends, I dislike that each successive model gets bigger than the previous. I think the scale of the Disco 1/2 and RRC is perfect: the 100-inch wheelbase is an ideal balance of off-road performance, on-road handling, and carrying capacity. The newest Rovers have wheelbases of 115". The on-road dynamics are probably superb but unless the air springs can extend really far that is too large of a vehicle to be practical for most of the off-road driving I do. My D1 barely fits through some of the tight spaces in the forest trails of the Cascade mountains.
The new Discovery won't be for everyone and Land Rover didn't have the Discoweb enthusiast (i.e. cheapfuck) demographic in mind when they designed it. But if it gets an Ingenium turbodiesel and isn't an electronic nightmare then I'd consider buying one used in ten years.
LR3 stock is a bit awkward, but IMO the latest models have really optimized what the platform can look like. The full length roof tracks are a nice touch. This one on some KO2s would look even better.
The Range Rover Sport has a much nicer interior, an engine that makes more sense, potentially better visibility considering similar designs I've driven, exterior styling that's actually desirable and reasonably unique, and a price tag that's close enough to a kitted out Discovery 5 to make the Disco irrelevant, in my opinion.
Why would you buy a Discovery 5 when you can have a Range Rover Sport for strikingly similar money? What would prompt the purchase? The Disco will be sitting at $65,000-$70,000 in the showrooms, because they'll want some decent gear in the display models.
Who's going to want that slightly equipped $65,000-$70,000 Discovery 5, when a shiny new full-bore Discovery Sport at $50,000 is sitting on one side, a $70,000 Range Rover Sport is on the other with plenty of gear, a $50,000 Evoque is parked right out front sexing up the joint, and a $100,000 Range Rover is making them all look identically budget-oriented?
Are you going to be interested in the Disco 5 units in the back lot, stripped of options?
All Land Rover is going to do with the Discovery 5 is sell more Subaru Outbacks.
At least the LR3 and LR4 provided much increased utility in relation to the RRS, and very unique styling. It was genuinely a nice, more utilitarian option for people that either enjoyed such uses, or just wanted a more ruggedly styled alternative. It never seemed like a compromise; just a genuinely high quality alternative.
The Discovery 5 should have been a direct evolution of the LR3/4 platform. Those things grew into their styling and equipment very well over time, and now even the first models are looking good. It took a while to get used to the design, but I don't see it wearing thin anytime soon.
Cheers,
Kennith
LR3 stock is a bit awkward, but IMO the latest models have really optimized what the platform can look like. The full length roof tracks are a nice touch. This one on some KO2s would look even better.
It's fucked up. I finally think I might buy one, and they slap a V6 in the thing.
It's not that I need a V8, I just hate a V6.
Cheers,
Kennith
The hell I do. I love the D110s and drove one for over a year as a personal vehicle. Great truck. D90s - meh. I don't love them and they aren't worth what people are paying. D1s - yep I like them as I've owed about 7 of them over the years. When you mix work and play it tends to stifle the love, but I think being honest about what LR has become is far from hate. And that's what it is with me - I find it unfortunate to see what the brand (should I say lifestyle) has become. To some degree yes I hate what they have become and being harsh and critical shouldn't be seen as not loving something.
I've driven the new RRS (the last several generations and new one) and it's a nice car, but the god damn thing doesn't even know what it is. It's an SUV trying to be a sports car and it doesn't do either very well at all. It has a warning for everything and it's not comfortable for someone 6-3. I can't imagine sitting in the back seat and there rear area has less room than a Nissan Versa.
The LR4 doesn't do it for me. They are nice no doubt and I am sure they can be made to be fairly capable.
The full size RR is nice and I think it's the most honest vehicle in the lineup. It does what it's suppose to do and looks good doing it. I considered buying a used L322 when I got my Tahoe as they were the same price, but I was rather disappointed with the quality of the small bits and pieces. I expect that on a Tahoe, but not a full size RR. And I honestly didn't want to get into fixing Rovers again after owning many over the years. I wanted something big, comfy, can tow, had DVD and simple. Don't love the Tahoe, but really like it. It's honest.
Make Land Rover Great Again.
I'd disagree with your there. I'm 6'2" barefooted and bloated, but I'm comfortable in the RRS. Plenty of head room and room for my legs to stretch every-so-often. My wife is much smaller obviously but the seat adjustment range fits us both. The auto power-tilt steering wheel and side-view mirrors are tits, BTW.
I would not call the RRS a 'sports car', although it's fun racing STi's and fucking with Mustangs. I've never driven a n/a model, but the supercharged motor is a lot of fun, not to mention smooth as silk. It's still very much an SUV with shit for wheels/tires, just not for a soccer moms. It's a small SUV and fits my two person family well. If I had kids I probably would not have a RRS.
I don't know what you're talking about with warnings. The proximity sensors? Just turn them off.
The big daddy is nice. I like the big daddy. But look who drives the big daddy. It's a hard car to pull off for a younger person. You have either got to be a MILF or have a few kids in the back. It's hard for a middle-aged guy to pull that car off riding solo - you just look like a douchebag. Most of the middle-aged guys you see riding solo in a RR have white-framed sunglasses and/or a vaper. It's better than a middle-aged guy driving a minivan solo or a 4-door mini cooper, but it's all the same.
Even though it looks slightly larger than the LR4 its going to weigh about 1,000 lbs less. I think that's with the 2.0 Diesel that's not coming to the states yet. That's the engine I would want. Of the engines we can have I guess I would take the 3.0 gas engine.
Standing height for humans in cars isn't as important s sitting height and buttock to knee length and knee to heel length. Those can impact the comfort of these vehicles by a lot.
The big picture: Land Rover must have the Discovery or else they lose every sale that is riding on 7 seats(which is a lot). That's why they squeezed those extra ones into the sport. The reality is that a diesel Nissan Armada is going to win over the Discovery 5 every day of the week if I had to go replace the beater Honda Odyssey with a brand new 4x4 SUV. At the end of the day when these new products from Land Rover finally come out, all other brand options will always look more appealing to most people because they aren't over priced and full of technology you dont need.
The big picture: Land Rover must have the Discovery or else they lose every sale that is riding on 7 seats(which is a lot). That's why they squeezed those extra ones into the sport. The reality is that a diesel Nissan Armada is going to win over the Discovery 5 every day of the week if I had to go replace the beater Honda Odyssey with a brand new 4x4 SUV. At the end of the day when these new products from Land Rover finally come out, all other brand options will always look more appealing to most people because they aren't over priced and full of technology you dont need.
I love those Y62 Patrols. It's too bad they neutered the 4wd system on the ones that came stateside.
Dan is like me; so country that when he talks, sticks fall out of his mouth.
Nissan Patrol is a nice truck and really the only thing that Nissan makes that I like. We had them in Bolivia on our one trip there. We had those, Hiluxes and one Frontier. The Patrol was the favorite. Solid axle front and rear, roomy enough and just enough features to keep you happy.
If I could have a 79 series LC here in the US, I'd be quite happy.
The new one that replaced the old Armada is IFS/IRS so no different than new Land Rover products. The perfect comparison. They have a diesel option which is what a lot of people say will make them buy these new Rover products.