Election Day 2012

knewsom

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Howski said:
Free marijuana? Backing off moral/social issues doesn't mean giving people handouts, it means government giving people more freedom

Beat me to it. It never made sense to me how Republicans are all "Pro-Freedom" unless you're gay and want to get married to the person you love, or enjoy a joint now and then and don't want to get arrested, in which case HELL NO.

I told y'all you should have voted for Buddy Roemer. Romney was a terrible candidate. His losing had very little to do with his religion.
 

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Kris, in all fairness, you telling us all who we should have voted for is just as relevant as China doing so.

Howski - let me rephrase your statement: giving people handouts DOES mean for many people backing off moral/social issues.
 

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p m said:
Howski - let me rephrase your statement: giving people handouts DOES mean for many people backing off moral/social issues.
I agree with you, however I don't think the inverse is true
 

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Howski said:
I agree with you, however I don't think the inverse is true
I don't think the inverse is true, either, but there is a large swath of population that thinks that NOT giving handouts DOES mean backing off moral/social issues. That includes not only recipients of handouts.

Also, I am not sure any government ever gives people more freedom.
 

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Our seventh grade society deserves what it votes for. The whole western world is living in a house of cards that has been built on debt. Even if Romney would have won and businesses started to free up and spend cash on expansion it would have just postponed the inevitable for a while. All it will take is the right disaster, terrorist attack, or financial meltdown to start the dominoes falling and bring it all down. It's all a big game that is decided in the backrooms by both parties. They have decided to take turns "giving" the other party control of the presidency, while making people believe they actually have a choice. How else do you explain candidates like Dukakis, Mcgovern, Dole, Romney, and McCain. Really? Are those the best either party can pick in any given year out of the millions of people in this country? The good ones are kicked to the curb very early in the campaign, leaving us the choice of the lesser of two evils. They have effectively frozen out any third party candidate that is unable to self finance his campaign, so the ones that can they paint as nutballs. Do you actually believe a Ron Paul or Buddy Roemer has a chance in hell of being elected? For many years I was very politically active, and finally just quit. I have come to the conclusion we have passed the point of no return. Two BILLION dollars was spent on the presidential campaigns alone. Yes, they will do whatever it takes to pay back those who put up all of that money. People don't put up that kind of cash without expecting a return on their investment. Especially those who can afford a $45,000/plate campaign dinner. This is nothing new, but has escalated exponentially over my lifetime (55 years). The last time a president tried to go back on those who financed his campaign, they killed him and his brother. Take care of your business boys and savor each day. We have no idea when it will come down, but I believe we have 7-8 years at the most. You may call me a crackpot, or just a cynic, but you can definitely call me done.
 

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singingcamel said:
Can't be done , the latino and blacks are spoken for , and well taken care of , I hope not to offend anyone .sorry.
+1.

Romney's Immigration outlook was, by far, my favorite part of his entire campaign. No mercy, though, that probably would've changed once he entered office.
 
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ukoffroad

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Having been a fan of history for some time, I find these doom messages fascinating. Look at newspapers 30, 50 or 100 years ago and the similarities are astounding. Four years ago, the far right was predicting Armageddon and the far left was preaching champagne and roses by now. The truth is that things get better or worse but rarely as much as people gripe about. I think some folks fail to understand that govt. is an entity not a person. Do not overestimate the power of POTUS. Economic predictions are mostly positive for the next few years unless there is some significant event. Either candidate stood to inherit a rising tide this time around.

Trumps Twitter meltdown had me laughing, Ted's as well.
 

toadermcgee

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brushogger said:
You may call me a crackpot, or just a cynic, but you can definitely call me done.

A local accountant here told me before the election most of his older, but not elderly, business owner clients told him; that if Obama is re-elected they are shutting their businesses down.
 

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I tossed and turned last night and have been trying to pin point all day what is bothering me most. It's not the fact Obama won, it's something bigger, much bigger. The Republicans have not lost and the Democrats have not won... That's right. We've ALL lost, America has lost. We have a divide right down the damn middle and everyone points fingers trying to place blame. It makes me sick to my stomach to see what America has become and blame should be solely placed on the uneducated electorate.

The #1 search phrase on Google on election day: Who is running for president?

Again, America has lost...

I believe I'll throwing in the towel as well.
 

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toadermcgee said:
A local accountant here told me before the election most of his older, but not elderly, business owner clients told him; that if Obama is re-elected they are shutting their businesses down.

We shall see...I heard a lot of this too and am interested to see how many follow through with it.

most may be fiscally forced to do so.
 

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Blue said:
It would appear that Santa Clause is undefeatable.

I mean these questions with full sincerity and it isn't meant partisan in any way ...

Is there any amount of debt that would define bankruptcy ? Is it a percentage of GDP ?

Wasn't the debt limit reached, but then just adjusted ?

Why couldn't several more trillion dollars be printed ? I understand it lessens the value of the dollar, but if $16,000,000,000,000 doesn't define failure, what amount does ?

Keith
 

brian4d

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kzack said:
I mean these questions with full sincerity and it isn't meant partisan in any way ...

Is there any amount of debt that would define bankruptcy ? Is it a percentage of GDP ?

Wasn't the debt limit reached, but then just adjusted ?

Why couldn't several more trillion dollars be printed ? I understand it lessons the value of the dollar, but if $16,000,000,000,000 doesn't define failure, what amount does ?

Keith

A run on the banks, seriously.
 

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ukoffroad said:
Having been a fan of history for some time, I find these doom messages fascinating. Look at newspapers 30, 50 or 100 years ago and the similarities are astounding. Four years ago, the far right was predicting Armageddon and the far left was preaching champagne and roses by now. The truth is that things get better or worse but rarely as much as people gripe about. I think some folks fail to understand that govt. is an entity not a person. Do not overestimate the power of POTUS. Economic predictions are mostly positive for the next few years unless there is some significant event. Either candidate stood to inherit a rising tide this time around.
The similarity to newspaper stories from years ago ends at the debt level we are at currently. Even with inflation it isn't even in the same ballpark. And it's not just the U.S. It's the whole world. It will only take the event mentioned in your quote. Those that aren't in debt are dependent upon those that are. That's the scary part. I'm not saying the same wouldn't happen under Romney. As Rahm Emanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” I believe he was Obama's Chief of Staff when he said that to the Wall Street Journal. This gives me a pretty good idea of his agenda since this is the type of person Barak personally picked for a high ranking position in his administration. This is the method .gov has used for years to get us in this position. Cause the problem, and then be the solution. But then there's that pesky old Constitution to deal with..........................
Oh well, there's always martial law, which has been used by POTUS in the past, but I guess we shouldn't overestimate that. I guess we also shouldn't over estimate the power of Executive orders, which can be used without public knowledge if POTUS claims it would breach security if released to the public. Do not underestimate the power of POTUS. He can wield quite a lot of it without oversight if he does it in the right manner. Obama gutted the Welfare reform act shortly before the elections by executive order. How much did Congress squawk about that? They didn't feel their toes had been stepped on because that legislation had been pushed through when another party was in power, even though POTUS was effectively buying votes in doing that.
 
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