FrackNation

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A while back, a movie came out showing the perils of fracking for natural gas:

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The footage at 2:25 made me shit my pants. Fucking fire from your faucet? Shit, the most conservative person out there wouldn't want that going on.

This morning I saw a link to a another movie called FrackNation. The journalist in FrackNation asked the director of Gasland, Josh Fox, if the flaming faucets were happening before fracking started. His reply was, "Yes, but it's not relevant". Huh? So these people live in an area where there was so much fucking natural gas that it was coming out of the ground before fracking started, and it's not relevant? I'd say it's relevant enough to make his movie irrelevant.

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To me this seems to be a case where a doogooder wanted to make a name for himself as a environmental crusader with out regard for finding the truth. I wonder if Al Gore was his inspiration? He won an award at the Sundance Film Festival, of course.
 
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we had one of the fracking balls (approx 5 inch diam acrylic) land in the parking lot at the hospital i work at a few weeks back. the well head was about 2 miles away....whoops?
 
chris snell

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I haven't seen either of these but maybe I can find them on Netflix.

Something tells me that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
 
mgreenspan

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Google Gasland Debunked.

Obviously this guy has taken advantage of society and is making money off sensationalism. He also has gotten himself arrested by Capitol Police due to improperly trying to film his documentary without correct media permits creating even more of a sensation.

I'm guessing he's friends with Michael Moore and probably has let the company hydraulicly fracture (edited to please) his land for money cause he is grade A USDA prime douche.


More than likely Knewsom is going to join in this thread and ruin it with left wing whacko mumbo jumbo failed logic and poor anecdotes. :D. Here are actual facts.
http://www.energyindepth.org/debunking-gasland/
 
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Mike_Rupp

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rover4x4 said:
ahh clean drinking water isnt important, frack away.
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What I love is that conservatives are the ones who are labelled as being anti-science and close-minded.

In reality, anything that doesn't support their religion of rabid environmentalism is met with ridicule.
 
Blueboy

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Farm down the road from us has a well on it. They now have a bad water supply well and have their water brought in. There may be some mistaken stuff in the movies referenced, yet, there are problems with the process. safe drinking water is more valuable for us and the drill cos. were told that our land will not be for the taking no matter how much is offered.
 
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Was the water bad before? Just curious. Was it ever tested before? If you read that link above it talks about EPA studies on water supplies after Hydraulic Fracturing (edited to please) and they were no different than before, methane existed in water for 40 years prior to Hydraulic Fracturing (edited to please), etc.

Here's an example of why I ask. I've been doing research to try to get all our paper products in the bathroom removed and replaced with Airforce hand dryers and also looked into waterless urinals in an effort to save money. They were actually installed at one location. After installing, people complained about the smell that they were causing. They were not causing any smell; however, the exhaust smell from another building that had always existed was not "noticed" until after the new urinals were put in. People complained about the new smell that had been there always.

From all the points on the link I posted the EPA has said that Hydraulic Fracturing (edited to please) has not contaminated water. If it was the actual cause I'd suggest the farm down the road from you get in touch with the EPA so they can actually study this incident and prevent future contamination if it is indeed Hydraulic Fracturing (edited to please)... which it probably isn't based on facts.
 
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Blueboy

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Water was fine before fracking. I'll be sure to mention your information next time in town. And I feel much more confident that fracking didn't cause any problems based on your knowledge of the area. You do make one good point-we are going to have our water tested for a bechmark.
 
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Blueboy said:
You do make one good point-we are going to have our water tested for a bechmark.
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And just what will you test for, and how much are you willing to spend to have your water tested?

Without having an idea of what to test for, one cannot even collect samples as the sampling, containers, storage and conditions of collection/containers all dictate the methods, etc.

Organics? Inorganics? Radionuclides???

Looks like you're in Pennsylvania. One of the best (and the biggest single facility lab in the world) is in Lancaster. Get your checkbook out, it won't be cheap.

http://lancasterlabs.com/
 
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Big industry should have a free pass on all regulation. They should not be accountable for any industrial disaster. Its all for the better of all of us. We need them.
Please feel free to come and frack under my house anytime you want. Big industry regualtes themselves without any need for a stupid human being or the EPA to be involved. Get rif of the EPA. Get rid of the government period. Take away the police and all interstate freeways. I don't need them. Public transportaion is a waiste of resources.
 
Mike_Rupp

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I read that one of the chemicals that is used to frack is sodium chloride. Holy Fuck! Can you imagine such a dangerous chemical being used so irresponsibly?
 
nosivad_bor

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Mike_Rupp said:
What I love is that conservatives are the ones who are labelled as being anti-science and close-minded.

In reality, anything that doesn't support their religion of rabid environmentalism is met with ridicule.
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First you say that conservatives are being labelled, then you go on and make a blanket statement that is just as broad and damning, and you take the perceptive of "reality" which we all know is subjective.

Rather than insult me for not thinking like you, you should try to convince me with facts. This is the reason i cant take your politics seriously.
 
rover4x4

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Mike_Rupp said:
What I love is that conservatives are the ones who are labelled as being anti-science and close-minded.

In reality, anything that doesn't support their religion of rabid environmentalism is met with ridicule.
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I am not a rabid environmentalist, clean water is our most valuable resource.
 
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