Georgetown birth control

[SGaynor]

Wow, I guess we found of bunch of guys who never had sex until they were in their 30s or married. Amazing.

And, if you read her "testimony" you'd see that she wasn't arguing for contraction, per se, but that women's reproductive health/services be given equal footing as men's. As opposed to be ridiculed and told to get back in the kitchen.

Good job, guys.

 

[61rover]

In other words, slut.

Again, do think it helps her agenda or yours when you use ad hominem attacks instead of arguing the topic at hand, which is government intrusion into a religious institution?

Frankly, I think it's childish at best.

When did this become a sarcasm free zone?

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Wow, I guess we found of bunch of guys who never had sex until they were in their 30s or married. Amazing.

The big fucking difference is that I never asked anyone to pay for my contraception. She did. Somehow it is a right to someone else pay for your sexual behavior.

 

[Blue]

The left portray this issue as the right waging a war on women. I see it as leftist activists using the force of the federal government to attempt to destroy a religious institution.

This woman chose to attend Georgetown, which is a Jesuit law school. Obviously, they object to paying for contraception. She chose to attend the school for the express purpose of attacking one of the foundations of the institution.

Rush's comments have unfortunately made her a martyr to the left and she'll now be getting much more attention than she would have otherwise.

This is what piqued my interest....I wonder if she really attended just to take up these "issues" as a cause. Pretty pathetic if it's true.

As far as her being a slut or whore or whatever...maybe she is, maybe she isn't. Either way, it's weak at best to use those terms especially if you're in the public eye like Rush. All he did was give the super-left crazies plenty of ammo to use against him. As far as dweb using those terms in this thread, I wouldn't have expected anything less.....LOL.

All that being said, watching this feminazi chick "testify" about the trials and tribulations of the poor downtrodden women who have to actually pay for drugs to prevent pregnancy makes me laugh. Why didn't anyone stop her and say "Then just keep your legs crossed and STFU you idiot"?

 

[NikeCheck246]

Although a sub plot to her original issue, one of the goals of her campaign was obviously to draw out talk show hosts such as Bill Maher and Rush Limbaugh. She got more than she could have ever dreamed of when Rush 'mouthed off.' I think what she is doing is petty and an attack on the very foundation of an institution and it's beliefs.

I completely agree with your views, Mike. However, I don't think that Discoweb is going to have to issue any formal apologies to Ms. Fluke. I see no reason to shoot down every comment in the thread. I seriously doubt that this thread is anywhere close to the top 1000 results on Google.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Jeremy, I realize that Discoweb is just a tiny little 'ole website. I think it just makes sense to try to stay on topic and argue with logic instead of calling someone a slut or whore. It has become too common for people to use name calling as a first response instead of using logic. It's just laziness.

 

[Devildog01]

Arguing is not logical.

 

[Blue]

Expecting someone else to pay for your birth control because you can't stay outta the sack is not logical.

When did this country come to this point? Someone (drug company) makes a product. Someone (consumer) desires that product. Consumer can't be expected to purchase that product! How can you expect a poor student to pay for the product they desire? How can you expect her to forego her natural right to sexual pleasure just because she can't afford the product? Do you dare to refuse her her right to sexual freedom? Are you oppressing her? Are you going to force her to get pregnant? Are you going to force her into abortion, you oppressive, controling MAN? Is that what you want?

No one wants to state the obvious, no one dares to go there with this militant Georgetown "law student".

Therefore, consumer naturally expects someone else (you and me) to pay for the product she desires. And just watch, she'll get what she demands.

 

[matt4126]

Do you suppose Georgetown University's health care program would provide and pay for a vasectomy for man?

 

[NikeCheck246]

Of course not, but if they did, she would argue a case against it. She is basically a feminist, to a great extent, who supports the gay and lesbian community. Her problem is that she has selected a university which possesses qualities which are completely opposed to what she wants, and she did this on purpose. My question to her is, if women were provided birth control but the men nothing, would she argue for condoms for the men? My guess is probably not.

I agree Mike, I won't call her a slut... however, I will call her an attention whore. This is a true publicity stunt, and she knows it, milking it for all it is worth, with the left wing riding her coat tails. It frustrates me that she is doing this to one of the great American institutions, not that it would be better for her to do it somewhere else. On top of that, she is taking pot shots at the religious foundation of the school. No matter what religion or beliefs one has, this a cowardly and low-brow attempt at something much larger than the University.

 

[lockenDiff]

I'm not saying Im for or against what she is doing but to think that birth control is just to stop sluts from having babies is yet again, crazy. There are more reasons for women to take the "pill" then that. Some reasons could even save the insurance companies, you and I money in the long run.

just saying.

 

[antichrist]

I think it just makes sense to try to stay on topic and argue with logic instead of calling someone a slut or whore.

Don't hold your breath. LOL

It has become too common for people to use name calling as a first response instead of using logic. It's just laziness.

Laziness yes, but there also seems to be a definite decline in the ability of people, as a whole, to think critically. So that pretty much leaves name calling.

I'm not saying Im for or against what she is doing but to think that birth control is just to stop sluts from having babies is yet again, crazy. There are more reasons for women to take the "pill" then that. Some reasons could even save the insurance companies, you and I money in the long run.

You have a lot of nerve thinking rationally!

I haven't really thought about it much as it applies to religious bodies and I'm sure there are a lot more nuances to it than makes it in to the media, but my gut reaction is that a religious institution shouldn't be forced to go against their religious convictions. Though I'm quite sure Georgetown does plenty of things of a secular nature, so who knows?

 

[Mike_Rupp]

I'm not saying Im for or against what she is doing but to think that birth control is just to stop sluts from having babies is yet again, crazy. There are more reasons for women to take the "pill" then that. Some reasons could even save the insurance companies, you and I money in the long run.

just saying.

I don't care what a woman does in her personal life. Bang away. While that might be how the issue is being portrayed by the media (and obviously all of the slut / whore talk keeps it on that track), the real issue is making a religious institution like Georgetown go against their moral beliefs and provide contraception as part of their insurance coverage.

Here's an fictional analogy: a Catholic man feels that the Muslim faith is corrupt and he wants to make a difference, change the world for the better, all of that nonsense. He goes to school at a Muslim school. He then feels like he is being denied his right to free pork and other non-halal meat. He then finds a sympathetic politician who also has an anti-Muslim agenda. That politician uses this oppressed individual to push their agenda by hearing his sob story testimony and attempts to use the force of the federal government to advance legislation to force the Muslim school to serve free pork. Obviously this completely goes against the Muslim faith. This individual could have chosen to attend plenty of non-Muslim schools, but his intent from the beginning was to chip away at the right of the Muslim faith to be free from government intervention.

That is the case here. This woman could have attended plenty of liberal, non-religious law schools that would even encourage free sex, but this woman attended Georgetown for the purpose of attacking it.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Do you suppose Georgetown University's health care program would provide and pay for a vasectomy for man?

Considering that my insurance won't pay for a vasectomy, I highly doubt that Georgetown's would either.

I think it will cost me over $1000. I am oppressed.

 

[1MITCH1]

Considering that my insurance won't pay for a vasectomy, I highly doubt that Georgetown's would either.

I think it will cost me over $1000. I am oppressed.

BC/BS paid 100% No co-pays or deductables.

 

[antichrist]

I can't remember if there was a copay (it's been over 12 years) but my insurance and the time paid for it. I didn't even have to pay extra to watch.

I think it's weird for insurance companies to not cover it, at least for married men, in the long term it's a lot cheaper than paying childbirth and dependent child expenses.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

BC/BS paid 100% No co-pays or deductables.

My point is that the liberal arguing point of insurance companies paying for only men's contraception products (vasectomies, viagra, etc) and not covering woman's needs isn't valid.

Liberal activists want you to believe that we are living in a paternalistic society that oppresses women.

 

[knewsom]

Coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking? Wow, pretty extremist liberal agenda there...

Seriously, some of you folks need to grow the fuck up. The Republican uproar over this is just more manufactured hubbub, and I can't believe you've bought into it.

 

[Blue]

Republican uproar? This whole manufactured issue of publicly-funded contraception was created by Obama himself.

 

[knewsom]

My point is that the liberal arguing point of insurance companies paying for only men's contraception products (vasectomies, viagra, etc) and not covering woman's needs isn't valid.

Liberal activists want you to believe that we are living in a paternalistic society that oppresses women.

You gave an anecdotal account rather than actual evidence to support this supposition. If they are covering men's contraception but not women's, that IS sexist.

Furthermore, this is not exactly a fully egalatarian society.

Finally, why shouldn't the government protect the freedom of people who work for religious institutions? Shouldn't hey be free to not have said religion's views forced on them?