Gun Control: A Realistic Look

[kennith]

I guess you think it's your doctors business to ask about guns in your home, too? Can the doctor not do his/her job without knowing this information?

Do you not see where this is going? The government is passing the buck to doctors all in the name of Obamacare to prevent school shootings......

I was wondering if anyone else would figure that out.:applause:

We are potentially approaching a vastly increased level of government penetration within the fields of healthcare and insurance.

He's crafted a series of seemingly reasonable redundancies. They both hide and augment the dangerous order presented among them.

Registration could become irrelevant. Owning a gun could become worse than being a chain-smoking, obese, alcoholic, and perpetually pregnant teenage girl, so far as insurance and healthcare are concerned, and that's not all. Any increase beyond that in information sharing could be used to impact other aspects of daily life.

If I was in Obama's position (with his agenda) that's precisely how I would go about it. I'd have done a better job, though.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[knewsom]

I was wondering if anyone else would figure that out.:applause:

We are potentially approaching a vastly increased level of government penetration within the fields of healthcare and insurance.

He's crafted a series of seemingly reasonable redundancies. They both hide and augment the dangerous order presented among them.

Registration could become irrelevant. Owning a gun could become worse than being a chain-smoking, obese, alcoholic, and perpetually pregnant teenage girl, so far as insurance and healthcare are concerned, and that's not all. Any increase beyond that in information sharing could be used to impact other aspects of daily life.

If I was in Obama's position (with his agenda) that's precisely how I would go about it. I'd have done a better job, though.

Cheers,

Kennith

That doesn't sound like the strategy of a "horribly inept" administration as you guys have so often accused them of being.

 

[kennith]

That doesn't sound like the strategy of a "horribly inept" administration as you guys have so often accused them of being.

Oh, he's not inept. He's very clever indeed, but not clever enough to pull the wool over my eyes. Kennithcare and it's potential exploitation would have slipped right past people like me.

Unfortunately, that doesn't matter.

Cheers,

Kennith

Edit: That didn't make any sense. How can I trick myself?

 

[jhk07]

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Never forget. Citizens that don't understand guns are scared of guns. It's the nature of the beast. Citizens that are scared of guns want to put in place wildly obtrusive and unnecessary gun control laws because they know no better. And they're scared.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by jhk07
That is a silly, wildly over generalized statement spouted with not much real thought.
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Prove me wrong, back up your statement instead of a hit'n run.

Liberty (hit), Prohibition (Run)..... People that don't understand those concepts want to take your guns away.

 

[brian4d]

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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by brian4d
Never forget. Citizens that don't understand guns are scared of guns. It's the nature of the beast. Citizens that are scared of guns want to put in place wildly obtrusive and unnecessary gun control laws because they know no better. And they're scared.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by jhk07
That is a silly, wildly over generalized statement spouted with not much real thought.
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Liberty (hit), Prohibition (Run)..... People that don't understand those concepts want to take your guns away.

This makes no sense. 1/2 of this thread is highlighting and examining why some are so quick to cry foul over supposedly insufficient gun laws for no reason other than a quick knee-jerk reaction brought on by the deaths of small children. They've not examined the facts and have jumped the gun. Being scared and fearful only perpetuates these actions. If I went and found 10 strangers that have never handled a gun and ask them if they are scared of firearms 9 out of 10 would say yes.

Prohibition was a concept? Nope, try a law. Again, knee jerk reaction.

 

[jhk07]

Originally Posted by jhk07
Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by brian4d
Never forget. Citizens that don't understand guns are scared of guns. It's the nature of the beast. Citizens that are scared of guns want to put in place wildly obtrusive and unnecessary gun control laws because they know no better. And they're scared.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by jhk07
That is a silly, wildly over generalized statement spouted with not much real thought.
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Liberty (hit), Prohibition (Run)..... People that don't understand those concepts want to take your guns away.

This makes no sense. 1/2 of this thread is highlighting and examining why some are so quick to cry foul over supposedly insufficient gun laws for no reason other than a quick knee-jerk reaction brought on by the deaths of small children. They've not examined the facts and have jumped the gun. Being scared and fearful only perpetuates these actions. If I went and found 10 strangers that have never handled a gun and ask them if they are scared of firearms 9 out of 10 would say yes.

Prohibition was a concept? Nope, try a law. Again, knee jerk reaction.

I guess this does not surprise me, that it does not make sense to you. Let me dangerously over generalize for you. There are gobs of Moms, Dads, daughters, grannies, etc that possibly "don't understand " guns. And, per your arguement that they "are scared of guns want to put in place wildly obtrusive and unnecessary gun control laws because they know no better".


I would tell you that while there are some citizens that do fall under that broad statement, that there may just as many that want you to keep your liberties.


Hence..... my original statement.

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[knewsom]

Oh, he's not inept. He's very clever indeed, but not clever enough to pull the wool over my eyes. Kennithcare and it's potential exploitation would have slipped right past people like me.

Unfortunately, that doesn't matter.

Cheers,

Kennith

Edit: That didn't make any sense. How can I trick myself?

I dunno, but it appears you already have.

 

[brian4d]

Originally Posted by jhk07
Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by brian4d
Never forget. Citizens that don't understand guns are scared of guns. It's the nature of the beast. Citizens that are scared of guns want to put in place wildly obtrusive and unnecessary gun control laws because they know no better. And they're scared.
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> Originally Posted by jhk07
That is a silly, wildly over generalized statement spouted with not much real thought.
</td></tr></tbody></table>


Liberty (hit), Prohibition (Run)..... People that don't understand those concepts want to take your guns away.




I guess this does not surprise me, that it does not make sense to you. Let me dangerously over generalize for you. There are gobs of Moms, Dads, daughters, grannies, etc that possibly "don't understand " guns. And, per your arguement that they "are scared of guns want to put in place wildly obtrusive and unnecessary gun control laws because they know no better".


I would tell you that while there are some citizens that do fall under that broad statement, that there may just as many that want you to keep your liberties.


Hence..... my original statement.

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Don't put words in my mouth and we'll get along just fine. Please point out where I said 'all' or 'most' citizens that are scared of guns want to put in place obtrusive gun laws? It's apparent you haven't read or taken in anything from this thread. The points are the proponents of obtrusive laws don't understand and haven't taken the time to educate themselves on gun facts and yes, have some fear or discomfort with guns to begin with.

 

[jhk07]

This makes no sense. 1/2 of this thread is highlighting and examining why some are so quick to cry foul over supposedly insufficient gun laws for no reason other than a quick knee-jerk reaction brought on by the deaths of small children. They've not examined the facts and have jumped the gun. Being scared and fearful only perpetuates these actions. If I went and found 10 strangers that have never handled a gun and ask them if they are scared of firearms 9 out of 10 would say yes.

Prohibition was a concept? Nope, try a law. Again, knee jerk reaction.

Is 9 out of 10 "most" ?

 

[brian4d]

Is 9 out of 10 "most" ?

Please tell me your joking. Where did I say 9 out of 10 scared of guns were for strict gun control? It's obvious we're on two different levels here. Carry on.

 

[jhk07]

Please tell me your joking. Where did I say 9 out of 10 scared of guns were for strict gun control? It's obvious we're on two different levels here. Carry on.

Considering you can't follow your own merry-go-round of logic, yes, we are on 2 different levels !!!

 

[D Chapman]

I don't think it's the 10 people who are scared of guns, it's the 10 people who don't know shit about guns and believe what the media tells them as church.

 

[brian4d]

I don't think it's the 10 people who are scared of guns, it's the 10 people who don't know shit about guns and believe what the media tells them as church.

Dan you're exactly right. My point (and what some here have a hard time wrapping their heads around) is that a lot of people fear/reject/whatever what they don't understand. Think about how many people right now don't want to upgrade their computers to Windows 8 because of the fear they won't be able to use it, not to mention the track record Microsoft already has which can be compared to the track record of the first assault weapon ban by Clinton. Not directed at you Dan but I can't possibly make myself any clearer.

 

[jim-00-4.6]

I don't like Windows 8.
If I had a tablet or a really big phone, I might.
I like to type on a real keyboard, very little of my work can be accomplished with swiping my fingers around a screen.

I think 9 out of 10 is "most".
I think in states 51-57, the actual count is 14 out of 10.

I don't know about you, but I'm very concerned about those shoulder things that go up.
I'm pretty sure there's a valid statistical correlation between shoulder things that go up and people getting shot in the face.

 

[wheelen disco]

I don't think it's the 10 people who are scared of guns, it's the 10 people who don't know shit about guns and believe what the media tells them as church.

I had the opportunity to convert two such people last weekend. The girlfriends parents, both urban bred and raised, both stubbornly anti-gun. They came out for a visit at our new place, after they found out I owned many guns they were appalled and surprised. Sunday I convinced them to let me teach them how to shoot....... Sue, her mom, never progressed from my pink .22 cricket but she sent at least 40 rounds downrange at my reset able spinner. Paul, her dad on the other hand progressed quite quickly, had had a big smile on his face after emptying the magazine on the previously evil ar-15. I think that they now understand why some people own guns....

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Christie: NRA Ad on Obama Daughters ‘Reprehensible’

If this windbag RINO somehow manages to get the R nomination in 2016, we'll have another loser. While I held my nose and voted for Romney, I will not vote for this moron.

For the record:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fmGfZt8iJdA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

It's a very effective ad and it's got the gun grabbers riled up.

 

[Eric N.]

Christie: NRA Ad on Obama Daughters ‘Reprehensible’

If this windbag RINO somehow manages to get the R nomination in 2016, we'll have another loser. While I held my nose and voted for Romney, I will not vote for this moron.

For the record:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fmGfZt8iJdA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

It's a very effective ad and it's got the gun grabbers riled up.

I like the ad. My kids are certainly more important to me than his are.

 

[pinkytoe69]

I like the ad. My kids are certainly more important to me than his are.

Obviously the well being of an individuals children are more important to the individual than some other individuals children. That is irrelevant.

That ad is silly.

It is no different than asking, "Why should the president have a security detail if I dont have one too?"

Um, duh.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

No it's not silly. When pushed on the issue, liberals have said that having armed guards at schools will lead to an increase in gun violence, yet if you are a wealthy person like David Gregory, your kids get the protection of armed guards and all of us rubes have to send our kids to gun free zones.

The logic of a gun free zone is completely crazy. Declare a zone to be gun free and it will be? Sure, I'm a law abiding person, so I won't bring a gun onto school property, but how does a sign stop someone who is intent on killing people. Really? A fucking sign is going to stop the deranged person?

The sign might as well say, "Come on in and shoot it up because there is nobody armed in here to stop you."

For liberals who know better, guns are fine. It's the idiotic citizenry that can't be trusted to have guns. Feinstein has a concealed carry permit, but she's leading the charge to ban guns. It's the essence of liberalism: they are smarter and you should just let the really smart politicians take care of you.

 

[ukoffroad]

FWIW declaring schools a gun free zone means the sentencing guidelines are higher if you have one there, same with drug free zones. It was originally designed to push gangs and drug traffic away from school areas.