Gun Control

kennith

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What would I change?

1: Improving the background check system, and removal of individual state regulations. Firearms are Federal. Get used to it or start another nation. We've been trying to have a proper national standard for decades, but guess what? We can't, because people won't leave us alone for five minutes.

One thing of which I'm almost certain: Firearm owners are the ones that can fix that, and we fucking want to! By the gods, people; let us do it or shut your trap about the affair.

2: Bringing back voluntary civilian firearm training as well as activities for kids, and involuntary training for those who wish to purchase a firearm at some point and those others who may officially reside in their households. It was considered very strongly when the Constitution was being developed anyway; for all citizens.

3: Banning bump stocks and any other similarly functioning device from sale. They complicate otherwise clear regulation, encourage poor practice, and they're only about five minutes of fun anyway. If they're to be legal, it should require addressing the laws that regulate automatic firearms; whether I think those laws should exist or not.

The one product on the market that's certain to make a firearm owner cringe is a damned bump stock. They're a loose end, and we don't like loose ends. Same goes for those dumb-ass pistol "braces". Get rid of them, or require medical certification to purchase one. Right now, they're just another loose end.

4: A proper study that results in a series of safe certifications, and mandatory proof that an approved safe is owned. Most safes suck, and the industry needs an anti-bullshit shakedown, in that regard. People are buying $10,000 safes that even I could get into in half an hour or less, because they're told by damned near everyone that those things are the best option.

5: Mandatory suppressor ownership for any firearm that, in factory form, produces a sound above a certain level; to be determined via study. Indeed, we wouldn't be the only first-world nation in that camp. They don't make things near as quiet as people think; but they do take the edge off. You can still hear many of them a mile off, but it's less annoying to others and less likely to damage hearing over time.

6: Mandatory civilian "book knowledge". You're living in a nation that is known for firearm ownership. Part of your job as a citizen is to be familiar with certain aspects of the nation you call home. If everyone had an elementary understanding of firearms, progress on both fronts could be made; and the nation would be better for it.

There's more, but I can't be bothered to dig it up at the moment. Most firearm owners have a list of things they would change, and many of those things are the same crap the anti-gun crowd is screaming about; but we don't often get a chance to explain them without being torn to shreds after the second sentence; before we even get to the benefits and drawbacks. So, we circle the wagons and stick to the script because it works.

That's on the opposition. They're the ones making this discussion impossible. Period. End of story. The fat lady is singing. Shut the fuck up. Discount that and you may as well leave the room, because you cannot be salvaged.

Notice there's no mention of mental health, though. That is to be solved in another way, and it's not complicated. It just requires people to be more responsible; and I'm not talking about firearm owners, here. I'm talking about everyone. Get used to the truth. Blanket regulation, in that regard, is a very dangerous business.

I don't want to end up in a funny farm just because someone doesn't like me, and neither does anyone else.

That's not a possibility, it's a certainty. Right now, people are losing their families and jobs because others want to damage them simply as a result of political and personal beliefs. That ain't cool, and it's why I tell the NRA to suck it. Bad idea all around, and I don't like misdirection regardless of where it comes from.

Just because it's an effective way to jam the noise doesn't mean it's the right move.

One more point: A lot of people forget that many of the weapons we don't worry about owning are simply impractical to run or even maintain. Even if you could buy a tank at Walmart, they'd only end up stuck in mud or stored in a collection; but it's not limited to things that big. Even certain firearms are just too much trouble and/or expense.

That's why you don't see us marching in the streets over machine guns. They're available, but extremely expensive. If you can't afford one as a result of the regulation, odds are you couldn't afford to feed it more than once a year, anyway. Indeed, that's what people do with the things. The have nice little periodic events and make a day of it sharing expense.

They don't serve the purpose the anti-gun crowd seem to believe they do, anyway.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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Listen, Sriracha tits, it's just friendly banter on discoweb so we can still be besties. If you truly seek the answer to your question, then you must find it on your own. I have my own important research to do. Lately I've been wondering if I'm caught out in the rain and I have an umbrella, am I more or less likely to walk away dry?

Black people are too lazy to find anything on their own
 

seventyfive

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Good lord. Please show me where I said, or even implied that.

You seem to have contructed an idea of The Gun Owner and anything that deviates from that blows your mind.

I am not implying anything. I asked you a question. Would you shoot an unarmed attacker?

I am also a gun owner. I understand it is easy to assume I am not a gun owner which ironically makes you the one with a concrete idea of a gun owner and me owning a gun blows your mind.

Granted it's a lever action rifle, nothing cool like a pistol grip ar with laser beams and gun nuts dangling!
 

seventyfive

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Good on ya, personally I could not do it.

If I were still in the military I wouldn't think twice against an enemy but not a civilian.
 

seventyfive

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BUT I get the itch every time some twatdribble is doing 50 in the passing lane then speeding up when I try to under take them.
 

stu454

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Of course, no one knows if they can pull the trigger in anger until they are faced with that situation. I may just shit myself. But my reaction to the two previously mentioned near-attacks bodes well, I think.
 

seventyfive

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I like what kennith posted.

If you really think about it, pro gun and anti gun violence people (not gun nuts and anti gun extremists) want the same thing. Responsible people acting responsible with a gun. The NRA used to want that as well. The pro gun and anti gun violence people most likely could settle a lot of shit.

Unfortunately I strongly believe there is an external force that does not want us to agree. Or is it we really have evolved into an extremist society? I am absolutely right and you are absolutely wrong, fuck you no fuck you, etc.

We are getting so divided and meanwhile Russia, who's been testing us in Syria, now says they have an indefensible nuclear missile. North Korea has nukes. Pakistan has nukes.

And the left and right extremist talking heads keep us hating each other. Fuck, I will listen to bill Maher and Mike savage sometimes just to hear their absolute negative hate filled shit. I do that just to hear what fuels some of the hatred. It's dangerous stuff.
 

SGaynor

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All agencies from the Andy Griffith's of the world to the CIA/FBI/NSA need to share data. It needs to be real-time and as complete as possible. If they're checking for any possible red flag in a person's application, I want all data to be available.

It needs to be quick. 3-5 days is not unreasonable, the six month search of the NFA stamp is way too long. Maybe include the possibility of pulling back the gun if something pops up in a search within 3 months.

I would also add that all mental health providers that diagnose someone with schizophrenia or a personality disorder they need to report it to the database (like the requirement for knowing about child abuse). ANnd of COourse Anyone Comitted.

Of course it won't get the people that never go to a shrink, but it 'll get some.
 

SGaynor

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Quote of the night:

"My gun is lazy. It just sits in the cabinet all day and doesn't kill anyone."

Followed by:

"Mine was too. In all the years I carried one for a living, it never shot anyone. Even after I had to pull it out of the holster and point it at someone. Damn lazy guns."

I love TN!
 

kennith

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Apr 22, 2004
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I like what kennith posted.

If you really think about it, pro gun and anti gun violence people (not gun nuts and anti gun extremists) want the same thing. Responsible people acting responsible with a gun. The NRA used to want that as well. The pro gun and anti gun violence people most likely could settle a lot of shit.

Unfortunately I strongly believe there is an external force that does not want us to agree. Or is it we really have evolved into an extremist society? I am absolutely right and you are absolutely wrong, fuck you no fuck you, etc.

We are getting so divided and meanwhile Russia, who's been testing us in Syria, now says they have an indefensible nuclear missile. North Korea has nukes. Pakistan has nukes.

And the left and right extremist talking heads keep us hating each other. Fuck, I will listen to bill Maher and Mike savage sometimes just to hear their absolute negative hate filled shit. I do that just to hear what fuels some of the hatred. It's dangerous stuff.

That is a very good summary of my position.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

bri

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personally i do not believe in concealed carry. i believe if you want to carry a gun it needs to be exposed so everyone can see it. if somebody tries to grab it from you so be it.

last thing i want is some little dick billy bad ass pushing my fucking buttons so he can pull his dick extension out and, in the case of zimmerman, walk away a free man.


blue calls some of pussies, but the irony is back when i was growing up in jersey we didn't use guns. we used ball bats or tire irons. we used fists and feet.

to me anyone using a gun on an unarmed person or 'intruder' is a pussy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w85mkLwICE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3OGlAW9TC0
 

seventyfive

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Floorpunch!
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