I?m getting screwed by Elias Christeas & John Gadd

[RoverDude]

Elias/John: What are you guys willing to do to resolve this?
Somewhere there is an acceptable middle ground. Let's find it rather than beat folks down.

After the innuendos and especially after this thread he can stick that motor up his tight wad ass. It's funny how I was never a lying cheat on the parts he bought from me over the past year.

Elias drove the DI that this motor came out of around Los Angeles and ultimately from LA to Orange County with no over heat issues nor pressurizing. After that and passing a compression test, I would have guaranteed it if requested.
Lessons learned....
Buying a used part.... get a guarantee
Selling a used part.... set 2 price levels. With or without guarantee.

The cheap fucks are always the most trouble.

Not always. Ironically, this putz is Associate Vice President-Investments at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

If it runs and the only complaint is unexplainable bubbling in the expansion tank, for the love of all Rovers, run it on increasingly longer trips-with a real water temp gauge!

We begged him to even take it to grocery store with no avail. I guess he doesn't have the balls to venture to the grocery store without his Mommy holding his hand.

 

[jymmiejamz]

Why did you replace the motor in the first place? Is it possible that the combustion gases were left over from a previously cracked block? I highly doubt you got all of the old coolant out of the cooling system, so I would think that its possible for the block test to be wrong.

I'd drive it, you won't do any more damage than what's already been done if the block is cracked. As long as you shut it down once it starts over heating you probably won't harm the heads.

 

[JohnK]

Elias drove the DI that this motor came out of around Los Angeles and ultimately from LA to Orange County with no over heat issues nor pressurizing.

Is that the engine that had the head gasket repair done in the "In Search of the Experience video"?

 

[Blue]

After the innuendos and especially after this thread he can stick that motor up his tight wad ass. It's funny how I was never a lying cheat on the parts he bought from me over the past year.

Elias drove the DI that this motor came out of around Los Angeles and ultimately from LA to Orange County with no over heat issues nor pressurizing. After that and passing a compression test, I would have guaranteed it if requested.
Lessons learned....
Buying a used part.... get a guarantee
Selling a used part.... set 2 price levels. With or without guarantee.



Not always. Ironically, this putz is Associate Vice President-Investments at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.



We begged him to even take it to grocery store with no avail. I guess he doesn't have the balls to venture to the grocery store without his Mommy holding his hand.

Classic! I love it!

 

[RoverDude]

Is that the engine that had the head gasket repair done in the "In Search of the Experience video"?

No, that was Elias' girlfriends DI. But don't tell her we really didn't do the HD job. That was all smoke and mirrors. We secretly poured stop leak in it. :rofl:

 

[eliaschristeas]

for those that care, we offered him a few different options in the end and i dont even care to get into it. I think - as most on this board would agree - that if $$$ recovery is his goal, parting BOTH his motors is the best way to go. BUt he's not interested in realistic suggestions. He just likes to lash out like a little baby. it will certianly be funny to see that this problem persists when he puts another motor in his truck. And btw - you're not selling yourself as a customer ANYONE on this board would wanna help....

How lonely you must be todd. how terrible must have been your experience in high school being laughed at.

i remember an email to me where you disclosed that it was hard for you to find and keep a girlfriend and that perhaps, in addition to your motor, i knew of a girl here in california. do you remember this email to me?

I know know why you must be so lonely. in the end, i pitty this poor man for his ignorance.

but worse than that, i know its his poor dog who gets the worst of it every night and lord knows what else.....

so good-bye to you my sad little man i have better things to do. you will be in my prayers and i sincerely hope that you find even a small degree of peace before the end.

 

[1MITCH1]

i remember an email to me where you disclosed that it was hard for you to find and keep a girlfriend and that perhaps, in addition to your motor, i knew of a girl here in california. do you remember this email to me?

.

Dude, that's my new signature!
Shit it wont let me. It's too long.

 

[lunchbox]

Elias and/or John,

Do you believe or accept that it is possible that the engine had a bad head, poorly installed gaskets, stop leak residue, and/or a bad block? Are any of these possibilities? Or do you believe that all of these claims are not true or accurate?

If you do not believe him...do you think he is making these things up? Why do you think he would make these things up? What would he have to gain from pretending to have a bad engine?

If you do not believe him...would you believe him if he had documented proof of his claims? (maybe a shop estimate from the people who worked on the engine) Would this change anything?

If you do believe him...why didn't you offer a refund? Is a refund not financially reasonable because of the cost of shipping, or because of the price of the engine? Do you feel he was outside a time limit for a refund?

Chad

 

[p m]

If you do believe him...why didn't you offer a refund? Is a refund not financially reasonable because of the cost of shipping, or because of the price of the engine?

Tough math, is it? $500 engine, $300 shipping, $150 head/valve gasket set, and about 12 hours of shop time.

I'd be pissed if I paid local yards' price of $550 for an engine I can have in the back of my truck and at home in 20 minutes, with a 30-day warranty, and the engine turned bad. But, in the end, it's labor that counts the most here.
Now, before analyzing what John and Elias should do - would you spend your time swapping in the engine before you run any imaginable checks on it?

 

[lunchbox]

Tough math, is it? $500 engine, $300 shipping, $150 head/valve gasket set, and about 12 hours of shop time.

I was simply asking why some of the decisions were made. I did not make any negative comments about thier decisions. I'm just trying to get a feel for where they are coming from. They may not believe that anything is wrong with the engine, which makes this question irrelevant.

I'd be pissed if I paid local yards' price of $550 for an engine I can have in the back of my truck and at home in 20 minutes, with a 30-day warranty, and the engine turned bad. But, in the end, it's labor that counts the most here.

Todd stated that he couldn't find an engine locally.

Now, before analyzing what John and Elias should do - would you spend your time swapping in the engine before you run any imaginable checks on it?

I'm not analyzing what they SHOULD do. I'm just trying to figure out why they did what they DID/or DID NOT do.

Chad

 

[jymmiejamz]

I'm still trying to figure out why he won't drive it...

 

[KyleT]

DWeb = DramaWeb

 

[MUSKYMAN]

Allright I tried to stay outa this but I feel I may be able to contribute something here.

We are suposed to be a community of enthusiasts. Part of that is trying to keep old junk running for a reasonable cost. I have bought alot of used engines from this community and in the spirit of the community I pretty much have got what I really paid for USED ENGINES.

Some good some with problems and some with parts that ended up in the scrap pile.

Its a tough thing to deal with when a used part turns out to be less then what you expected and its actually something that makes me jump up and down happy when they are better then I expected.

I have had used engines that every single exhaust manifold bolt on one side broke when removing them!!! Is that the fault of the person I bought the used engine from?

I had one that had a very small leak from the number 4 cylinder when I pressure tested it, was that the problem of the seller? I really dont think they could have ever known and I sure dont think they would try to pass that engine off to me because I seem to be in the loop on buying these things and why would they try to screw me and loose my future business?

The end of the day fact is that these are all used parts, If you really want a sure thing you need to spend more money and install a complete rebuild from a good rebuild source.

This particular situation seems to have some strange factors involved and I havent been involved in any of the work so its really impossible for me to address any of it, but people need to all calm their emotions a bit and understand we are talking about used parts and shit happens with used parts.

Lets get back to the community part of this here and source the needed parts and get this truck back on the road and bring this to a good conclusion. then maybe you St Louis guys can get your buts up here to do some wheeling

 

[Flyfish]

It's funny how I was never a lying cheat on the parts he bought from me over the past year.

We begged him to even take it to grocery store with no avail.

That's because I've bought lots of parts from many people and I wouldn't complain without a very good reason.

If it were a burping issue or some other minor issue, I would have driven it. But combustion in the coolant isn't gonna fix itself.

By anyone's definition, something that is sold as good or great, implies it should work at least once. I caught and reported the problem to elias the very first day.

Several times over the previous months I told you guys we all believed this should have been a good unit and I didn't think anything was intentional and we only need to come up with a solution.

At this point, it's about principle.

 

[Flyfish]

for those that care, we offered him a few different options in the end and i dont even care to get into it. I think - as most on this board would agree - that if $$$ recovery is his goal, parting BOTH his motors is the best way to go. BUt he's not interested in realistic suggestions. He just likes to lash out like a little baby. it will certianly be funny to see that this problem persists when he puts another motor in his truck. And btw - you're not selling yourself as a customer ANYONE on this board would wanna help....

How lonely you must be todd. how terrible must have been your experience in high school being laughed at.

i remember an email to me where you disclosed that it was hard for you to find and keep a girlfriend and that perhaps, in addition to your motor, i knew of a girl here in california. do you remember this email to me?

I know know why you must be so lonely. in the end, i pitty this poor man for his ignorance.

but worse than that, i know its his poor dog who gets the worst of it every night and lord knows what else.....

so good-bye to you my sad little man i have better things to do. you will be in my prayers and i sincerely hope that you find even a small degree of peace before the end.

Great example why nobody would bother to take you seriously.

 

[Flyfish]

Allright I tried to stay outa this but I feel I may be able to contribute something here.

We are suposed to be a community of enthusiasts. Part of that is trying to keep old junk running for a reasonable cost. I have bought alot of used engines from this community and in the spirit of the community I pretty much have got what I really paid for USED ENGINES.

Some good some with problems and some with parts that ended up in the scrap pile.

Its a tough thing to deal with when a used part turns out to be less then what you expected and its actually something that makes me jump up and down happy when they are better then I expected.

I have had used engines that every single exhaust manifold bolt on one side broke when removing them!!! Is that the fault of the person I bought the used engine from?

I had one that had a very small leak from the number 4 cylinder when I pressure tested it, was that the problem of the seller? I really dont think they could have ever known and I sure dont think they would try to pass that engine off to me because I seem to be in the loop on buying these things and why would they try to screw me and loose my future business?

The end of the day fact is that these are all used parts, If you really want a sure thing you need to spend more money and install a complete rebuild from a good rebuild source.

This particular situation seems to have some strange factors involved and I havent been involved in any of the work so its really impossible for me to address any of it, but people need to all calm their emotions a bit and understand we are talking about used parts and shit happens with used parts.

Lets get back to the community part of this here and source the needed parts and get this truck back on the road and bring this to a good conclusion. then maybe you St Louis guys can get your buts up here to do some wheeling

This should never have gone anywhere near this far, and it's unfortunate that it has.

Among other events, it would have been great to join you guys for pipeline on a couple weeks. Dave already yelled at me for not being able to go.

 

[road1will]

I think its time to just suck it up and realize this is the price you sometimes pay when trying to save money by buying used parts.


4 or 5 years ago I bought a used 4.0 from a reputable used parts vendor in the Land Rover community. It had 60k-ish miles but had not been tested and therefore came with no warranty. The engine was priced accordingly. ( Cant remember how much it was, but I think it was $750 and then I paid another couple hundred to ship it)

I put it in the disco in my driveway, fired it up, and discovered a head gasket leak. Sure it sucked, but it was the price I paid for getting a cheap engine. I called the guy I bought it from, to order the parts I needed, not to bitch and hope he'd pay for my bad luck. I just joked about my shitty luck and ordered my parts and he was kind enough to give them to me at cost. Good enough for me. I suggest you suck it up and realize this stuff happens buying used parts, sight-unseen.

 

[DiscoIIman]

I think its time to just suck it up and realize this is the price you sometimes pay when trying to save money by buying used parts.


4 or 5 years ago I bought a used 4.0 from a reputable used parts vendor in the Land Rover community. It had 60k-ish miles but had not been tested and therefore came with no warranty. The engine was priced accordingly. ( Cant remember how much it was, but I think it was $750 and then I paid another couple hundred to ship it)

I put it in the disco in my driveway, fired it up, and discovered a head gasket leak. Sure it sucked, but it was the price I paid for getting a cheap engine. I called the guy I bought it from, to order the parts I needed, not to bitch and hope he'd pay for my bad luck. I just joked about my shitty luck and ordered my parts and he was kind enough to give them to me at cost. Good enough for me. I suggest you suck it up and realize this stuff happens buying used parts, sight-unseen.

I know Todd very well and if it was just a bad head gasket you would not be reading this thread. This is more than bad head gaskets. He has already replaced a ton of parts and still has combustion gas in the overflow. How would you feel if you where sold an engine that was stated to be in good running condition(regardless of price) only to find out that the block was bad. You can honestly say that you'd just suck it up...............right.

 

[RoverDude]

At this point, it's about principle.

That's right it is. Let me remind you, I had no direct communication with you regarding the structure of this deal nor had I been copied or sent you ANY e-mails until deep into your problem (looking back on this, I should have taken the reigns). But you have the audacity to call me a liar. Not just in a private e-mail, but on a public forum. For me that crosses a certain line. In crossing that line I will no longer negotiate nor discuss any solutions with you. You've made your bed.

 

[jymmiejamz]

How would you feel if you where sold an engine that was stated to be in good running condition(regardless of price) only to find out that the block was bad. You can honestly say that you'd just suck it up...............right.

I would just suck it up because I bought a used part. Its not like these engines give you warning before the block cracks if that is indeed what happened. Had he bought a new engine from the dealership and it cracked then he could part warranty it. Unfortunately he bought a used engine with no warranty... :banghead: