INEOS Grenadier

[DiscoHasBeen]

Okay, now we're coming clean with priorities.

Yeah I'll admit that. I've have nowhere here to off-road, it's all about looks at this point. I said the 32's are a much better choice off-road but I really didn't like the way they they filled out the wheel wells after the lift. That's why I'm running two sets of tires, the 32's are for winter/deer season. I wanted to see what 34's looked like on the truck so I bought cheap rims and tires. At this point I think I'll end up with one set of tires/rims in 33's. On the other hand I might keep the two sets of 33's, one really aggressive tread and one road until I stop hunting.


So I don't think your truck looks "right" with those little bald road tires on it. They also would not be my first choice to off-road in either. But again, it's your truck and I'm just some dude on the 'net commenting about it. It really isn't anything personal.

 

[p m]

Actually very quickly.
The switches were illuminated - when you pushed the switch to engage they turned blue.

I thought you knew better. The switches turn blue right away. Because the LEDs in them indicate that the switch has been flipped.

Both my ARB rigged discos locked as soon as the locker could mechanically, I seemed like about 6" or so.

Have you, honestly, checked it?

I have spotted countless vehicles with ARB lockers, and I can't remember ONE that locked right away.
CDL in the disco at least had honest means to tell you if it's locked or not. At least, in a new one.

 

[p m]

So I don't think your truck looks "right" with those little bald road tires on it.

Tires are brand new, with almost half an inch of tread depth. They performed in deep soft sand, at 50 psi, better than BFG All-Terrains aired down to 15. I would never buy Bridgestones just for the fuck of it, but they came with the truck, so when they get little and bald, I'll revisit the traction issue.

I do agree that the tires look small - and I believe I was the first who said it. But it didn't make the tires a cunt hair smaller - they just look smaller. I am partial to looks as well, otherwise I wouldn't have spent a buck on this change - but I am also rational to some extent. I may buy another set of tires to mount on the second set of rims that I already have.

 

[Blue]

Peter is channeling Ho with all the ARB crap talk!!!

I only had 1 instance where my rear ARB malfunctioned in my old 1996 D1 and Ho gave me endless shit about it. It was just too much dust in the switch to make contact.

I usually only engaged it when I needed it, meaning cross-axled and spinning rear tires and it very noticeably engaged right away.

 

[bri]

Peter is channeling Ho with all the ARB crap talk!!!

I only had 1 instance where my rear ARB malfunctioned in my old 1996 D1 and Ho gave me endless shit about it. It was just too much dust in the switch to make contact.

I usually only engaged it when I needed it, meaning cross-axled and spinning rear tires and it very noticeably engaged right away.

Ho! The great pumpkin!

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Crap. I miss those days. When I could spend a day breaking axles, CVs, diffs (stock ones), bending rear links, the list goes on. Then a week or two fixing stuff, upgrading, trying how to properly mesh new 4.11 R&P. Damn it was fun being young! Oliveres and Rupp raced to replace a CV on my truck once. IIRC it was about 20 min and I was fetching tools the whole time. Musky was there too (RIP), with not much of a built rig, but he could drive. I think that was '06.

Looking back I do regret getting rid of my first D1. Had I kept it and just kept it alive it bring 30k on BaT. LMAO Crap it had a backpack rack.

 

[Blue]

I, too, had a KVT backpack rack!

Ho was making fun of my ARB “buttons” at Truckhaven in 2001 (the first Iron Chef Challenge). I’m like what are you talkin about? And I hit the pump button and…nothing.

 

[Nomar]

A friend of mine just got a Grenadier.
I sat in the drivers seat for a minute .
It was nice, It felt very Defenderish.

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[p m]

I, too, had a KVT backpack rack!

Ho was making fun of my ARB “buttons” at Truckhaven in 2001 (the first Iron Chef Challenge). I’m like what are you talkin about? And I hit the pump button and…nothing.

Ho and Kyle generated a lot of specific slang.
"Hissers"
"Smokers"
"Poodle"
Trying to remember more.

 

[Blueboy]

I thought you knew better. The switches turn blue right away. Because the LEDs in them indicate that the switch has been flipped.

Have you, honestly, checked it?

I have spotted countless vehicles with ARB lockers, and I can't remember ONE that locked right away.
CDL in the disco at least had honest means to tell you if it's locked or not. At least, in a new one.

Yes and when flipped the locker engaged. Not saying the light indicated the locker was engaged. And as mentioned before they also readily disengaged. Not saying there are not shitty installs of ARB lockers that impact how they operate just saying mine worked very well. I also tried to engage them in anticipating a section where it would be beneficial.

 

[Tugela]

Yes and when flipped the locker engaged. Not saying the light indicated the locker was engaged. And as mentioned before they also readily disengaged. Not saying there are not shitty installs of ARB lockers that impact how they operate just saying mine worked very well. I also tried to engage them in anticipating a section where it would be beneficial.

The first time I competed in the Northwest Challenge (photos and story here and more detail here), I was navigator in a D90 that had ARB lockers. Their operation was a source of distraction for the driver: turn on the compressor, wait for pressure, engage rear locker, engage front locker, disengage front locker, disengage rear locker, turn off compressor, then repeat it all again a few minutes later. It demanded a lot of driver input which, for obvious reasons, was complicated by the urgency of competition. Did they engage? Yes. Immediately? I don't remember. The only certain outcome was that our progress was impeded by the demands of managing the additional complexity and we would have been more efficient through most sections of trail with just the CDL to operate. The vehicle paired with us, a RRC with LT230, was quicker and smoother through the sections where we were futzing with the lockers.

 

[Howski]

For some reason I had thought axles on the Gren were a Dana (or similar) where you could go mechanical. Outside of slippery off camber situations, the Detroit Locker/Truetrac combo remains undefeated IMO

 

[p m]

For some reason I had thought axles on the Gren were a Dana (or similar) where you could go mechanical. Outside of slippery off camber situations, the Detroit Locker/Truetrac combo remains undefeated IMO

The Grenadier's axles are made by Carraro - here's a good PDF with specs. Hard to tell which axle is Gren's, but one could guess.

 

[Blueboy]

The first time I competed in the Northwest Challenge (photos and story here and more detail here), I was navigator in a D90 that had ARB lockers. Their operation was a source of distraction for the driver: turn on the compressor, wait for pressure, engage rear locker, engage front locker, disengage front locker, disengage rear locker, turn off compressor, then repeat it all again a few minutes later. It demanded a lot of driver input which, for obvious reasons, was complicated by the urgency of competition. Did they engage? Yes. Immediately? I don't remember. The only certain outcome was that our progress was impeded by the demands of managing the additional complexity and we would have been more efficient through most sections of trail with just the CDL to operate. The vehicle paired with us, a RRC with LT230, was quicker and smoother through the sections where we were futzing with the lockers.

I only used them on fairly difficult sections. The most memorable was Upchuck at Moab. Both frt and rear were engaged. Bill Burke lined me up from top and up we went! No way would the Rangie make it up there without being fully locked. So others may have other experiences with them. Mine are all good.

 

[p m]

Outside of slippery off camber situations, the Detroit Locker/Truetrac combo remains undefeated IMO

word.

 

[Blueboy]

word.

To each his own. Whatever works for your vehicle.

 

[luckyjoe]

For some reason I had thought axles on the Gren were a Dana (or similar) where you could go mechanical. Outside of slippery off camber situations, the Detroit Locker/Truetrac combo remains undefeated IMO

word.

To each his own. Whatever works for your vehicle.

Open front, Detroit rear works very well in my 109.

 

[p m]

To each his own. Whatever works for your vehicle.

We're drifting off the topic, but - Detroit is always locked. A TrueTrac can be locked - to some extent - by left-foot-braking. Both operate instantly.
Just as Howski said, both are a liability on off-camber slippery surfaces - which I was content to live with in Southwest.

 

[bri]

Ho and Kyle generated a lot of specific slang.
"Hissers"
"Smokers"
"Poodle"
Trying to remember more.

I still give John Lee my money when he has a product I want, they helped me so much 24 years ago....

 

[bri]

The first time I competed in the Northwest Challenge (photos and story here and more detail here), I was navigator in a D90 that had ARB lockers. Their operation was a source of distraction for the driver: turn on the compressor, wait for pressure, engage rear locker, engage front locker, disengage front locker, disengage rear locker, turn off compressor, then repeat it all again a few minutes later. It demanded a lot of driver input which, for obvious reasons, was complicated by the urgency of competition. Did they engage? Yes. Immediately? I don't remember. The only certain outcome was that our progress was impeded by the demands of managing the additional complexity and we would have been more efficient through most sections of trail with just the CDL to operate. The vehicle paired with us, a RRC with LT230, was quicker and smoother through the sections where we were futzing with the lockers.

Dumb. Get to trail. Turn on compressor.

Get to spot where you want added control and reduce slippage - engage rear locker, if going straight - engage both lockers. If a turn is required, you have some decisions to make if front is engaged. Front will need to have tension off to disengage , if you have traction, maybe this is hard.

When I had HD axles not much concern about it, other than knowing how it works. Much more care with locker and stock axles.

 

[bri]

I only used them on fairly difficult sections. The most memorable was Upchuck at Moab. Both frt and rear were engaged. Bill Burke lined me up from top and up we went! No way would the Rangie make it up there without being fully locked. So others may have other experiences with them. Mine are all good.

Why?

I used them just to make stuff even easier. That's why you got them, right?