Anyone using something else? I know that GBR sells a few other, but never a mention of them here. Just wondering if there are any other options? Kinda like the idea of cable-pull, thats all.
Dean
Dean
Lockers other than DT, TT or ARB
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Disco Mike
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Dean,
Why don't you like what the majority of us are using? What type of truck do you have and how hard are you playing with it off road?
Mike J.
Why don't you like what the majority of us are using? What type of truck do you have and how hard are you playing with it off road?
Mike J.
Damn I dont remember that pic! When was that?
Mike, I was tending towards the arbs, but I just think that the same kind of thing with a cable pull could be more reliable, no compressor to break down.
Mike, I was tending towards the arbs, but I just think that the same kind of thing with a cable pull could be more reliable, no compressor to break down.
Macnamara or Maxi-Drive
Dean, I've got a manual hub-actuated rear locker from Bill (GBR) in my series truck. The way it works is, you take a 5/8" spanner and turn it counter-clockwise to lock or clockwise to unlock, usually about 8 turns or so. In conjuction with the 24-spline HD axles, this is a formidable setup for a series truck.
I've had no problems so far and the install was easy, especially since I serviced the hubs at the same time.
Dean, I've got a manual hub-actuated rear locker from Bill (GBR) in my series truck. The way it works is, you take a 5/8" spanner and turn it counter-clockwise to lock or clockwise to unlock, usually about 8 turns or so. In conjuction with the 24-spline HD axles, this is a formidable setup for a series truck.
I've had no problems so far and the install was easy, especially since I serviced the hubs at the same time.
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D Chapman
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Dean, I'm kindda thinkiing of the Toyota diff's and Moser axles. It's not hard to swap the diff's and HD axles will only run $300-400. But, Lockers, and gears are cheaper, you have a wider range of options, and a stronger set-up. If you are starting from scrach, this maybe something to look at. I plan on scraping my HD set-up and doing this soon.
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DiscoDino
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Starting from scratch and wanting dual lockers, the Toy option is the best. I sold my RD56 Rover ARB with teh 4.7 ring and pinion and went Toy...its the ONLY way to go for anyting over 33" in tire for our heavy Discos...
I've already done the math since my wheeling buddy (Jihad Frem in the gallery) has the complete GBR set-up, and the Toy set-up is not only stronger, but it is a cheaper sunk cost and a cheaper maintenance cost...
I'll take the time to list the things from GBR at a "stated" price (from the website)...
GBR:
2 x 4.75 (to compare with Toy 4.88) R&P = 858 USD
2 x Master kits = 280 USD
24 spline Rear axles = 599 USD
Front CV kit = 1799 USD
4 x flanges = 596 USD
2 x ARB = 1,350 USD
TOTAL = 5,432 USD
Toyota Conversion (my costs - i.e., I did a LOT of web shopping to get the best prices):
2 x 4.88 R&P = 550 USD
2 x Overhaul kits = inclusive with above
30 spline Rear axles = 455 USD (from Jac Mac in Australia)
Front CVs = 25 USD each (yeah, twenty five) - can go to 205 USD for longfields
Front axles = 455 USD
4 x flanges = 210 USD
2 x ARB = 1,350 USD
2 x Used Toy 3rd member housings = 140 USD
Machine work = 100 USD (+ local beer)
TOTAL = 3,310 USD
Installation fees are similar and constant between them.
I know Bill is a GREAT guy and he stands behind his products, but there is NO WAY anyone can convince me that the above GBR set-up can hold up close to the above Toy one. Jihad (my buddy) has already taken out a front 4.11 reverse rotation R&P that was replaced immediately (and to Lebanon) by Bill - great support | weak product...and that on 32" Simex Extremes.
I'll be installing the 30 splines CVs once out with the long CVs - that sould allow me to boost the engine to ~250hp safely on 36-38" tires (ordered 38.5x11 Boggers).
Please note that I have nothing against Bill - he is GREAT and he is the BEST in support...only wish his product could get us on +35s easily.
I've already done the math since my wheeling buddy (Jihad Frem in the gallery) has the complete GBR set-up, and the Toy set-up is not only stronger, but it is a cheaper sunk cost and a cheaper maintenance cost...
I'll take the time to list the things from GBR at a "stated" price (from the website)...
GBR:
2 x 4.75 (to compare with Toy 4.88) R&P = 858 USD
2 x Master kits = 280 USD
24 spline Rear axles = 599 USD
Front CV kit = 1799 USD
4 x flanges = 596 USD
2 x ARB = 1,350 USD
TOTAL = 5,432 USD
Toyota Conversion (my costs - i.e., I did a LOT of web shopping to get the best prices):
2 x 4.88 R&P = 550 USD
2 x Overhaul kits = inclusive with above
30 spline Rear axles = 455 USD (from Jac Mac in Australia)
Front CVs = 25 USD each (yeah, twenty five) - can go to 205 USD for longfields
Front axles = 455 USD
4 x flanges = 210 USD
2 x ARB = 1,350 USD
2 x Used Toy 3rd member housings = 140 USD
Machine work = 100 USD (+ local beer)
TOTAL = 3,310 USD
Installation fees are similar and constant between them.
I know Bill is a GREAT guy and he stands behind his products, but there is NO WAY anyone can convince me that the above GBR set-up can hold up close to the above Toy one. Jihad (my buddy) has already taken out a front 4.11 reverse rotation R&P that was replaced immediately (and to Lebanon) by Bill - great support | weak product...and that on 32" Simex Extremes.
I'll be installing the 30 splines CVs once out with the long CVs - that sould allow me to boost the engine to ~250hp safely on 36-38" tires (ordered 38.5x11 Boggers).
Please note that I have nothing against Bill - he is GREAT and he is the BEST in support...only wish his product could get us on +35s easily.
LMAO Blue!
Ok thanks for all the very detailed responses! But I'm not about to change my 2 newish rover axles. I don't even want to upgrade the drive shafts, since I don't do a lot of rocks. I'm gonna go for the ARBs one day unless I can find something more basic, i.e. a cable-actuated locker or possibly electric. Swap out the diff is all I want to do.
Ok thanks for all the very detailed responses! But I'm not about to change my 2 newish rover axles. I don't even want to upgrade the drive shafts, since I don't do a lot of rocks. I'm gonna go for the ARBs one day unless I can find something more basic, i.e. a cable-actuated locker or possibly electric. Swap out the diff is all I want to do.
Nadim,
How is it that the hosts of this site can do some of the harder trails in the USA and then drive home 1000 +miles but you guys cant drive around in a mudpit with out breaking something?
I think it's like who has the biggest dick contest and the biggest dick translates to who can beat his truck the longest before it breaks. I think whatever it is you are doing isn't offroading. It's some hybrid sport that I can only call truck beating and there for your data isn't germane.
And i'm not bashing you for doing what you guys do, it's just a differnent sport. Eat your heart out and beat away... it helps the economy, "trickledown" , you know
Rob
How is it that the hosts of this site can do some of the harder trails in the USA and then drive home 1000 +miles but you guys cant drive around in a mudpit with out breaking something?
I think it's like who has the biggest dick contest and the biggest dick translates to who can beat his truck the longest before it breaks. I think whatever it is you are doing isn't offroading. It's some hybrid sport that I can only call truck beating and there for your data isn't germane.
And i'm not bashing you for doing what you guys do, it's just a differnent sport. Eat your heart out and beat away... it helps the economy, "trickledown" , you know
Rob
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DiscoDino
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Your comment on not commenting is a comment, besides i wasn't suggesting that you not comment. more so i am suggesting that your suggestion to suggest that GBR stuff is somehow inadequate is a subjective opinion. I like to set the record straight for people who read threads 6 months later. just trying to balance the facts here thats all.
Nadim went out of his way to compliment Bill and his gear. Bill is not the only person out there and I am also unware that there is any "record" that he makes the strongest most cost effection rover solutions.
So whats your point? That GBR *is* the only adequate solution? That Nadim is incorrect about the strength of the mods he lists? Or is it just to insult him by calling what he does truck beating (thus his reason for not responding).
IMO Nadim brings up some great alternatives, alternatives that he has practical experience with and of course it is all subjective, HE'S RUNNING 38s!
The more options the better, if it results in something really strong and more easily maintained EXCELLENT.
Keep the good info coming Nadim, its great to here about what you are doing.
So whats your point? That GBR *is* the only adequate solution? That Nadim is incorrect about the strength of the mods he lists? Or is it just to insult him by calling what he does truck beating (thus his reason for not responding).
IMO Nadim brings up some great alternatives, alternatives that he has practical experience with and of course it is all subjective, HE'S RUNNING 38s!
The more options the better, if it results in something really strong and more easily maintained EXCELLENT.
Keep the good info coming Nadim, its great to here about what you are doing.
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D Chapman
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nosivad_bor said:Nadim,
How is it that the hosts of this site can do some of the harder trails in the USA and then drive home 1000 +miles but you guys cant drive around in a mudpit with out breaking something?
I think it's like who has the biggest dick contest and the biggest dick translates to who can beat his truck the longest before it breaks. I think whatever it is you are doing isn't offroading. It's some hybrid sport that I can only call truck beating and there for your data isn't germane.
And i'm not bashing you for doing what you guys do, it's just a differnent sport. Eat your heart out and beat away... it helps the economy, "trickledown" , you know
Rob
I know how they do it... I have seen the Back East video, and saw some of the trails in my area they were running. They stack rocks so thick that a stock 2wd S-10 can make it, i.e. Dictum Ridge or "Area 110".
Broken parts happen. I have broken a CV on a hill climb 4 foot tall in sand before, but wheeled all weekend at paragon on "double and triple black" trails and did just fine.
I'm not saying these guys are not doing "advanced" trails, but they are very careful to do everything they can to avoid breaking parts. I rather run the trails and not worry about it.
Plus, the dweb guys are running 265/75's or 255/85's or smaller tires. That alone makes a difference. But, they do load their trucks down a bit.... Still, Rob, a truck with 32's is not getting into the places 38's run.
I guess what I'm saying is stuff breaks, bends, or falls apart. It does not matter how "experienced" you are or what you drive. A stronger is a stronger part, thats it.
bri said:
Brian, every time I see my jeep parked on the street, I keep beating myself for giving away a set of 33s and going up to 35s. Maybe I should go up to 38s - that may prompt me to donate the truck after the 1st trail ride.
p m said:
I am with you man, I've seen rigs with 33s do Blanca and other really tough trails.
Big tires are not my gig at this point, mainly because of all the hassles with doing them. I like the ideas that Nadim has for the diffs/axles, but I would never have all of the lift necessary to fit monster tires. Shit if I wanted to do that I'd just build a buggy.
Those Jac Mac diffs though... still think they are badass.
I think that I will likely go to the 265/75-16 or 255/85-16 and that is it.
What do you run on your Disco?
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Peter-man99
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I have a buddy who's brother worked for EATON, he got a set of their E lockers for free. I've only been out with him once but they seemed to do just fine.
I've never seen them mentioned is that because they don't have a rover application or because they are a POS?
I've never seen them mentioned is that because they don't have a rover application or because they are a POS?