Lockers other than DT, TT or ARB

[Eric N.]

I like that multiday wheeler post. That was good RJ. It's like going on more of an expedition then just driving your truck over some thing.. I would have to agree that is more of what I do. I'm not out there to just see what I can run over and then call it a day. I go out to get away from the every day grind and have some fun. It's the total package not just the trail.

There is a place for both though and I think there is a need for the folks that go out and break their stuff. It's what gets the ideas going to make stronger parts.. If no one pushed their trucks and beat them up then GBR might not be making upgraded parts today. It all has it's place. Just like baja, pro rock crawling, and other motor sports, they all help to design better, stronger products.

Kyle, as long as you have 4 cvs in your "oh shit" pelican you aren't going to break one.. It's when you don't have the pelican that you're going to be in for it.. Murphy's law...

 

[Greg Davis]

Well, I haven't seen any other DII's w/ 35"-36" tires, so I guess that's out of the box. You know, not typical.

Do I need those tires? Depends on who you ask.

The important thing is that I WANT those tires, and to run them without fear of breaking, the Rover stuff isn't up to par.

When I first came on this site, I was told tht 285's were silly and that I didn't need anything larger than 265's. Then I went to the 34"s and was told the same. Then 35"'s, etc. But the funny thing is that Kyle (one of the above mentioned) now runs 34"s tires. Silly then but not now? Hmmm, what changed?

And I don't go out of my way to disguise my mods (like painting aftermarket shocks black, extending shock towers w/ two factory units so people won't notice, not telling about modified bushings) so that people will think my stuff is "stock". Who cares????

If something doesn't work for me, I'll find soemthing that does, regardless of who manufactures it.

So what are these tractor parts that you referred to Kyle?

I guess we just look at things differently. To you , a pulled muscle means quit there. To me it means, work harder so that doesn't happen again. One's a safe route (nothing wrong with that), one's not. I prefer the latter.

 

[Blue]

I guess we just look at things differently. To you , a pulled muscle means quit there. To me it means, work harder so that doesn't happen again. One's a safe route (nothing wrong with that), one's not. I prefer the latter.

No, it's not about quitting, it's about doing it right in the first place. And it's not about working harder so that it doesn't happen again, it's about doing it right in the first place so it doesn't happen in the first place.

Of course I've pulled muscles, and I realize it's because I was doing something wrong; I had bad form; I fucked up. If you're doing things right, you don't work up to a certain point and then experience failure because a muscle pops. You should experience failure because you do not have the strength or endurance to get past that point. You then prepare yourself through training to get past that point.

Think of the flat bench....you've been working out for a while, strengthening your chest and all the ancilliary muscles that go into pushing a bar straight off your chest. You decide that you want to test yourself and see how much you can push up. So you stack on some weight, then some more, then some more, and sooner or later you are forced to stop. Now, are you forced to stop because you're just plain old not strong enough to push it up? Or are you forced to stop because your back is arched sky-high, nothing but the back of your head and the bottoms of your feet are touching the planet, your left arm is trailing your right by 6 vertical inches, and then your back & shoulder muscles start tearing to shreds? Same end result, two different means to that end.

I'm not necessarily trying to draw direct correlaries between working out & wheeling, nor the human body and a truck. But I will say that I enjoyed watching your D2 being built up. It sure as hell looked good, you're a nice guy and you do some real quality work, and you seemed to have all the right parts and forethought into it. But I think that D2 was stopped in it's tracks, and not from lack of strength, rather a pulled muscle or two.

 

[Greg Davis]

"But I think that D2 was stopped in it's tracks, and not from lack of strength, rather a pulled muscle or two."

Actually, it pulled 3.

But seriously, that truck had all of the "HD" stuff available, and failed rather quickly. And I don't thrash my rig. Ask anyone that's wheeled with me. It pissed me off that I had spent alot of hard earned money to try and ensure that wouldn't happen, just to have it end my 10 day trip 8 days early.

So at this point, what are my options? Go back to what has proven that it will fail, or go with something that will last and I won't have to worry about?

Hey, what I've done isn't for everyone, and I don't say that as a chest thumping. I don't go looking for the hardest lines or wanting to break stuff, but when it happens I do as much as I can to prevent it from happening a second time.

 

[Blue]

"But I think that D2 was stopped in it's tracks, and not from lack of strength, rather a pulled muscle or two."

Actually, it pulled 3.

But seriously, that truck had all of the "HD" stuff available, and failed rather quickly. And I don't thrash my rig. Ask anyone that's wheeled with me. It pissed me off that I had spent alot of hard earned money to try and ensure that wouldn't happen, just to have it end my 10 day trip 8 days early.

So at this point, what are my options? Go back to what has proven that it will fail, or go with something that will last and I won't have to worry about?

Hey, what I've done isn't for everyone, and I don't say that as a chest thumping. I don't go looking for the hardest lines or wanting to break stuff, but when it happens I do as much as I can to prevent it from happening a second time.

I'm sure you don't thrash it - I wonder why that "HD" stuff failed too. I'd be really curious to see the exact same trails run with the bigger wheels, lockers, etc. but with stock driveline parts. What kind of statement would it make if the stock shit didn't break? The universe would be turned on it's head.

 

[D Chapman]

What did you break Greg? Front axle componets? I heard from a very reliable source that a HD front axle/cv kit will be avaliable for the D2's soon, and it's not GBR's rumor that has been floating forever. FWIW.....

 

[Iron Boots]

Here is a diff I have been intrigued with for about a year now.

http://www.greatbasinrovers.com/diffs.html

MCNAMARA HYPOID VACUUM LOCKERS

Jack McNamara Differentials (JMD) is an Australian company which specializes in designing, manufacturing and rebuilding differentials with a special emphasis on coping with the extremely harsh off road conditions common in Australia. JMD manufactures a full hypoid conversion differential for Land Rover products. They are by far the strongest replacement differential currently available. They are estimated to be 2 1/2 to 3 times stronger than a standard Rover differential. When supplied with McNamara's own vacuum locking carrier they are extremely reliable. The locking mechanism is operated by engine vacuum, as a result there are no electrical relays or air compressors to malfunction. Installation time is substantialy less compared to some replacement differentials because they are supplied completely set up and assembled.They normally come supplied with 3.54 or 4.70 gear ratios although a wide range of ratios can be special ordered, including 3.42, 3.73, 3.90, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.85, 5.29 and 5.71. You also have a choice of carriers other than McNamara Vacuum Lockers, including ARBs, Detroit Lockers and Trutracs or conventional non-locking open diffs.

More information
http://www.mcnamaradiffs.com.au/hypoid1.html

My buddy Chris Tullman runs this and LOVES it.

 

[Greg Davis]

Well yeah, I lost a front CV. But that was after I lost my rear R&P and rear shaft.

From what I could tell, a tooth broke off of the ring gear and wedged between it and the pinion. This caused the rear end to bind up, causing both ends of the rear shaft to completely twist off at the same time. This all happened at the same time, so initially I thought I had just lost a rear shaft. Couldn't fix it on the trails because it split one of the yokes. It wasn't until I took everything apart that I saw the broken tooth. I tried to limp out in FWD (stock since no upgrades available) and that only lasted about 45 min. before I lost a front CV.

GBR was out of stock of the R&P's so I parked my truck for the balance of the trip. That's why my reference to being able to get something off the shelf in the future. Not to mention the difference in price is staggering.

Sad thing is all this carnage happended on a small 2'-3' gradual ledge. Evidentally the parts had been weakened and they decided to let go then.

Yeah, it will be alot of work initially to get the axle swap done, but in the end I'll have the peace of mind that I want.

 

[Ho]

i run stock shit.

So, if you have to stack rocks, use "ladders", or winch the trail, do you really complete the trail? I call it cheating.....I talk to so many people that say "yea, we just got off Dictum". I look at there truck with 30x9.50's, "do you have lockers?". "No man, we went right up, no problem". Then, you see the pictures and they have more or less paved the trail with loose rocks. So, if thats the difference in my wheeling vs. your wheeling, we are on two totally different wave links here.

locker, bigger tires... cheating too?

 

[DeanBrown3D]

A bit of TLC is what my rover calls for. A natural extension of Mechanical Sympathy. I try to treat my truck like a lady, treating her gently for the most part, but not afraid to get a little rough at times. The returns are great. Of course, you wouldn't want your woman to break, that should never happen (such as jumping off a wardrobe). I can see the shock on my disco's face sometimes, and it mellows me for a while before I start to get back into things. But I never push her so far that something will fail (or at least I have not done so yet). As long as she is smiling on the way home, that's all I care about. But if you treat your woman and/or disco like a beater, breaking stuff here there and everywhere and not caring, then that's a sure way to finish an otherwise very fruitful relationship.




Right enough BS can we get back to my fucking locker question now?

 

[bri]

Hey RJ, what kind of rig is he running the jac macs in? Does he hang out here or on another board? Any contact info?

Brian

 

[Iron Boots]

Hey RJ, what kind of rig is he running the jac macs in? Does he hang out here or on another board? Any contact info?

Brian

RRC with a built 4.6...He's not on here, but I'll see if I can get some input from him...

RJ

 

[Blue]

A bit of TLC is what my rover calls for. A natural extension of Mechanical Sympathy. I try to treat my truck like a lady, treating her gently for the most part, but not afraid to get a little rough at times. The returns are great. Of course, you wouldn't want your woman to break, that should never happen (such as jumping off a wardrobe). I can see the shock on my disco's face sometimes, and it mellows me for a while before I start to get back into things. But I never push her so far that something will fail (or at least I have not done so yet). As long as she is smiling on the way home, that's all I care about. But if you treat your woman and/or disco like a beater, breaking stuff here there and everywhere and not caring, then that's a sure way to finish an otherwise very fruitful relationship.




Right enough BS can we get back to my fucking locker question now?

Dean, do you drown your woman in the bathtub?

 

[DeanBrown3D]

No, she wears scuba gear, you already know that

 

[Kyle]

Yes Greg , my truck is stock and yes , I have used most of those methods to keep it that way.. . I got a nice deal on tires that dont come too often so I got em. I wouldnt have got em if they looked like jeepin meats. Most people look at em and dont think them any taller then a 32..
Now , so you run a 30 whatever tire. That aint out of the box , certainly breaking on them isnt out of the box. YOu went to Moab with those tires and you broke. Not just a little but ALOT. Now I thought the point in those tires was to make tings easier ? NO ??? Say it aint so ?? You took one line that the Disco didnt like and that was the end of that. I have taken countless lines that the DIsco didnt like and still havnt had a failure. I did it with smaller tires that are supposed to be less "Able" then the bigguns right ? So with that thinking , you can cover more ground with smaller tires then larger ones and have more fun doing it. Ofcourse you think that putting mroe and more into the truck will make this not happen. I say it still will. You didnt break after days of hard wheeling. You broke right away. That says something. Ofcourse you say that certain parts wont hold up past XXXXX but thats horseshit. I can bolt on a set of 38s and run that same trail and get through without the use of a winch. Its how you drive , not what you drive..
I was involved ina sport that requires you to be as hard on your vehicle as you can be to win. Thats right WIN , as in money , cash , green backs , etc.. And I destroyed countless thousands in parts . BUT , even in that sport , you know when to lift and you know when you are doing something that is going to cause bad shit to happen. You think you can butcher away with Toy diffs and NASA CVs and you wont break if you cant drive to survive ? You are in for a rude awakening. Now , I asked a question about what the out of the box boys are doing that is so "Forward thinking" and all I got was "Running big tars". IS that it ????
This whole running "The hard lines" thing is also fairly lame. You act as if I am on some other planet and dont do this as well. I dont know a single guy that doesnt. The difference is that I know on the first couple of exploritory attempts if the truck is going to make it or not and then I do whta I need to do to get past it. Yep , I will winch in a heart beat and I will stack a rock now and then. Do you boys feel that stacking a rock is worse then sitting trail side for a few hours working on your junk because you didnt ?
The more I think about all this the more I think we should have a Discoweb Moab run. Then all you out of the box boys can drive on out with us and show us how its done outside the box. How many are up for that ? I mean hell , we may as well just get it over with and prove the point. IN fact , I would love to run Dusi again , maybe we can go run that and then hit Moab as well ? Boy that would be tight schedule for those with regular jobs , you better hope your shit is correct if you dont want to lower yourself to stacking rocks and using a winch......

Kyle

 

[D Chapman]

I'm game Kyle....I was going to wait till next spring (2006) to run the west coast, but I may be able to make exceptions. You got something planned? Oh, and I want you to run the 38's on the gear you have now

 

[bri]

Hey, if that is an open invitation, I am in. Likely, I'll be in a stocker or ride along if someone needs a helper/navigater or has room for a passenger. Depends on the trails, I am one of the quickest to say... out of my league.

Brian

 

[Peter-man99]

Hey if novice's are invited I'm in!

 

[Kyle]

Well I would want mostly the out of the box crew so it would hinge in thier attendance. It would be next Spring D.....We can film it and call it "Moab , off the hook and out of the box" .I just have to build a whole complete new stocker between now and then...
You dont think my stock gears will pull the 38s D ?

 

[D Chapman]

Stock gears and 38's? Hummm, let's see......no

You may do ok on the trail, maybe, but do I have to follow you to the west coast? That make take a while getting over the MTN's in low range. But, I don't see the axles holding with all your gear stacked in too.


But, all shit aside. Honestly, I may be willing to do a west coast trip this spring. I have a ton of stuff to get ready for a trip like that, but it's only money. You thinking 2-3 weeks?