I'm running stock 235/70R16 XPCs, Brian.
If I get really ambitious, I dust off the set of steel wheels with 245/75 Futuras.
If I get really ambitious, I dust off the set of steel wheels with 245/75 Futuras.
Lockers other than DT, TT or ARB
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Nadim, the issue I have with the toy stuff is that even us Toyota guys get rid of the toyota stuff when it comes time to run the big tires...38's on Toy stuff? You are on borrowed time even with Longs.
We have a bunch of FJ55's and a mean FJ60 on 35's (still running toy gear with Longs). We're happy changing the odd birf. But my point is that if you're going to go with big tires, just go One ton and do what you're going to do. I realize you're trying to stick with the rover housings and I appreciate that as well.
RJ
We have a bunch of FJ55's and a mean FJ60 on 35's (still running toy gear with Longs). We're happy changing the odd birf. But my point is that if you're going to go with big tires, just go One ton and do what you're going to do. I realize you're trying to stick with the rover housings and I appreciate that as well.
RJ
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I think what allot of people are finding is the now "old Longfield" wears out. The new ones have not been on the market long, so they have not been really tested, but in theroy at least they should be stronger and last longer.
Still, if your starting from scrach, it's not a bad option.
I have two buddys running 38's on longs, and one running 39" Irocks. Rarely do they break'em. (on toys)
It's all in what you want to do. Allot of guys run the stock CV's and Axles because the HD set-up from GBR, CVU, or Rovertracks is not a definate fix. Bascily, all you are really "bulletproofing" is the inner axles, the CV are still going to break. IMO, an inner shaft is an easier fix vs the CV. So, thats why I think the Toyota deal is the way to go, for now. Stronger CV, Stronger inners, cheaper gears and a wider selection, cheaper lockers and more locker options......... So, once you "upgrade" all that stuff, whats the weak link now? I hope it's the drive shaft or uj's and not the transfer case.
Still, if your starting from scrach, it's not a bad option.
I have two buddys running 38's on longs, and one running 39" Irocks. Rarely do they break'em. (on toys)
It's all in what you want to do. Allot of guys run the stock CV's and Axles because the HD set-up from GBR, CVU, or Rovertracks is not a definate fix. Bascily, all you are really "bulletproofing" is the inner axles, the CV are still going to break. IMO, an inner shaft is an easier fix vs the CV. So, thats why I think the Toyota deal is the way to go, for now. Stronger CV, Stronger inners, cheaper gears and a wider selection, cheaper lockers and more locker options......... So, once you "upgrade" all that stuff, whats the weak link now? I hope it's the drive shaft or uj's and not the transfer case.
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D Chapman said:
That is excactly what young Adam found upon dissassembly of his Long-ed RRC fronts...worn out.
But the gusy running the mean stuff out here are shredding Longs on their toys with 38" SX's (like corey here)
He wasted 2 longs that trip (PAP last spring...) and now is running a D60 up front (sick of nuking longs and then Hubs).
You're right though, different strokes for different folks!
RJ
I like what Drew did:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290718
Now the body work is a bit outside my taste but the 60 front and eaton rear with all rover suspension . . . nice
Now if we could get rovertym to do the set ups you could have bolt on one ton axles.
60s can be found in the 800-1000 range, eatons are $150 all day long $325 for the corp 14 bolt Detroit and $50 more for shafts, plus 600 for the front ARB.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290718
Now the body work is a bit outside my taste but the 60 front and eaton rear with all rover suspension . . . nice
Now if we could get rovertym to do the set ups you could have bolt on one ton axles.
60s can be found in the 800-1000 range, eatons are $150 all day long $325 for the corp 14 bolt Detroit and $50 more for shafts, plus 600 for the front ARB.
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To correct you D , the big white truck has 8.25s on it , which you know , I am sure , are taller/just as tall as most "35s" out there. As far as breakage goes... I dont even want to try and add up the combined mileage and trail mileage on the trucks that run with us regularly. Out of those miles there has not been one single drive line failure in a truck that has been upgraded. Thats different people with different driving styles all a few thousand miles from home at times and not right in thier back yard and they are not having failures. Combined there isnt much that these trucks have not run , sure there are always more trails but we have covered a hell of alot of them. In my "Oh shit" pelican I have 4 brand new CVs that have been in there for the duration and never have had to come out for anyone. What Rob is saying is dead on because you CAN go to any trail in the US and get through and have a good time with your truck in tact. Unless ofcourse having a good time is beating the piss out of your ride. Also as Rob said , I can respect that as well. But it really serves no purpose other then to keep people busy that have nothing else to do but work on thier truck. I have very little time. I need to get in that truck and know its going to do what I need it to do. I have huge amounts of mechanical sympathy and it keeps shit going. If you dont have it you will constantly break anything you ever put in there.
Now let me ask you all. Whats more original ? Running around in your back yard with nothing more then a pepsi and a loaf of bread in the back of your truck and destroying shit right and left ? Or running thousands of miles including the most difficult trails in the US , loaded at the very least 4-500 pounds over the norm and doing it without any failures at all ?
You remember me saying how predictable things were in one of the other threads here ? THis is exactly what I mean. Everytime we get a story about someone destroying thier shit the first time out of thier state its always "that guy" , the guy that had the same things to say that you have had in this thread. I mean hell , you name it , from roll overs to total mechanical destruction , its all gone through this BBS at one time or another and its always someone that you could have predicted it would be.... The other thing that never fails is those same people saying that its because they are "Pushing the limits" , "Taking things to another level" , "Not taking the easy lines" , you can fill in the rest.. When you think of it , the only thing they end up pushing is thier truck , the other level they usually get to is about 3' higher on the back of a roll back and they dont end up taking the easy line , or the hard line , they end up broke and getting towed out by someone who didnt have that same mind set.....
Nothing is indestructable , further more , one part can be broken just as easy as the next if you arent sympathetic to it.... The answer to not breaking lies inside of the driver moreso then a box of step child parts..
Kyle
Now let me ask you all. Whats more original ? Running around in your back yard with nothing more then a pepsi and a loaf of bread in the back of your truck and destroying shit right and left ? Or running thousands of miles including the most difficult trails in the US , loaded at the very least 4-500 pounds over the norm and doing it without any failures at all ?
You remember me saying how predictable things were in one of the other threads here ? THis is exactly what I mean. Everytime we get a story about someone destroying thier shit the first time out of thier state its always "that guy" , the guy that had the same things to say that you have had in this thread. I mean hell , you name it , from roll overs to total mechanical destruction , its all gone through this BBS at one time or another and its always someone that you could have predicted it would be.... The other thing that never fails is those same people saying that its because they are "Pushing the limits" , "Taking things to another level" , "Not taking the easy lines" , you can fill in the rest.. When you think of it , the only thing they end up pushing is thier truck , the other level they usually get to is about 3' higher on the back of a roll back and they dont end up taking the easy line , or the hard line , they end up broke and getting towed out by someone who didnt have that same mind set.....
Nothing is indestructable , further more , one part can be broken just as easy as the next if you arent sympathetic to it.... The answer to not breaking lies inside of the driver moreso then a box of step child parts..
Kyle
Here is a diff I have been intrigued with for about a year now.
http://www.greatbasinrovers.com/diffs.html
MCNAMARA HYPOID VACUUM LOCKERS
Jack McNamara Differentials (JMD) is an Australian company which specializes in designing, manufacturing and rebuilding differentials with a special emphasis on coping with the extremely harsh off road conditions common in Australia. JMD manufactures a full hypoid conversion differential for Land Rover products. They are by far the strongest replacement differential currently available. They are estimated to be 2 1/2 to 3 times stronger than a standard Rover differential. When supplied with McNamara's own vacuum locking carrier they are extremely reliable. The locking mechanism is operated by engine vacuum, as a result there are no electrical relays or air compressors to malfunction. Installation time is substantialy less compared to some replacement differentials because they are supplied completely set up and assembled.They normally come supplied with 3.54 or 4.70 gear ratios although a wide range of ratios can be special ordered, including 3.42, 3.73, 3.90, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.85, 5.29 and 5.71. You also have a choice of carriers other than McNamara Vacuum Lockers, including ARBs, Detroit Lockers and Trutracs or conventional non-locking open diffs.
More information
http://www.mcnamaradiffs.com.au/hypoid1.html
http://www.greatbasinrovers.com/diffs.html
MCNAMARA HYPOID VACUUM LOCKERS
Jack McNamara Differentials (JMD) is an Australian company which specializes in designing, manufacturing and rebuilding differentials with a special emphasis on coping with the extremely harsh off road conditions common in Australia. JMD manufactures a full hypoid conversion differential for Land Rover products. They are by far the strongest replacement differential currently available. They are estimated to be 2 1/2 to 3 times stronger than a standard Rover differential. When supplied with McNamara's own vacuum locking carrier they are extremely reliable. The locking mechanism is operated by engine vacuum, as a result there are no electrical relays or air compressors to malfunction. Installation time is substantialy less compared to some replacement differentials because they are supplied completely set up and assembled.They normally come supplied with 3.54 or 4.70 gear ratios although a wide range of ratios can be special ordered, including 3.42, 3.73, 3.90, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.85, 5.29 and 5.71. You also have a choice of carriers other than McNamara Vacuum Lockers, including ARBs, Detroit Lockers and Trutracs or conventional non-locking open diffs.
More information
http://www.mcnamaradiffs.com.au/hypoid1.html
dave_lucas said:Here is a diff I have been intrigued with for about a year now.
http://www.greatbasinrovers.com/diffs.html
MCNAMARA HYPOID VACUUM LOCKERS
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More information
http://www.mcnamaradiffs.com.au/hypoid1.html
God damn, I really would like those.... but do I *need* them?
Talked to Bill about them at length PRICEY!!!!! Nice. More for a thrasher/competition rig.
What a bunch of BS. The stuff that people like Brian Friend and Nadim do are 100% different than your typical wheeler. They DO like to push themselves and their rigs, take it to the limits, take the hardest lines and so on. To them it is fun. To you Kyle, you say its beating the piss out of their rig. If you are 1000 miles from your home. I guarantee you would not follow these guys over the toughest line of a very hard trail. They would do it regardless of the consequences-- they like it, its entertainment and they don't care about keeping themselves busy with the rig.
Who cares, to each thier own man, get over it.
People like to do different things, and if you do things that break standard gear, you find another way. In the mean time, we watch and benefit from what you learn. I have had a ton of thrasher friends, skiers, boarders, wheelers and I could care less what they do to their body, board or rig. But I listen to what they learn and we all have better skis, boards and other stuff as a result.
Who cares, to each thier own man, get over it.
People like to do different things, and if you do things that break standard gear, you find another way. In the mean time, we watch and benefit from what you learn. I have had a ton of thrasher friends, skiers, boarders, wheelers and I could care less what they do to their body, board or rig. But I listen to what they learn and we all have better skis, boards and other stuff as a result.
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Its just sad to see that people are enclosed in their own world of "this is the best set-up - period".
I did contemplate the GBR set-up and I did find out from 2-3 years' worth of research (on P4x4, Outerlimits 4x4, here and other sites) that this will not last with my intentions of running the RFC, OBC, and any other competition that I intend to go for. After all, not every 4 door Disco is destined to <35" tires, a full rack, and pelicans full of CVs...to each his own as Brian has been rightuously saying - I respect the things you do, and do them from time to time in my stock 1998 and 2003 Discos, but I also like to go "off trail" which "necessitates" the modifications that were brought upon...especially the safety features (cage, seats, harnesses, helmets...)
My Disco DOES carry dual winches for a purpose, same goes for the recovery gear I need and the equipment that I have either manufactured or bought from various places. The GBR set-up is NOT LASTING with 32" tires and the "sort of wheeling/bashing we do"...so for us, it does not work. Simple. I have yet to break any of the new stuff. Simple.
CVs are worth 25$ each for now, and the new set-up will get the new Cromo CVs in the 30 spline flavor. I'm happy I did not spend 2K USD extra for a set-up that will limit me to 4.11s and 35s - despite the fact that Bill is indeed a great guy and his service is second to none. Many of the UROC and other "-ROC" competitors run Toy set-ups with +37s and these CVs, so I am certain we'll do good with them. Longfield CVs have been through many versions and have indeed had their ups and downs, but Bobby (of Longfield) has the same customer service that Bill is reknown for, so we'll be in safe hands.
Anyways - enjoy your own set-ups as I am enjoying mine.
BTW: I did want to stick with Rover housings as some comps do not allow otherwise and a rear Salisubury is JUST TOO BIG.
Nadim
I did contemplate the GBR set-up and I did find out from 2-3 years' worth of research (on P4x4, Outerlimits 4x4, here and other sites) that this will not last with my intentions of running the RFC, OBC, and any other competition that I intend to go for. After all, not every 4 door Disco is destined to <35" tires, a full rack, and pelicans full of CVs...to each his own as Brian has been rightuously saying - I respect the things you do, and do them from time to time in my stock 1998 and 2003 Discos, but I also like to go "off trail" which "necessitates" the modifications that were brought upon...especially the safety features (cage, seats, harnesses, helmets...)
My Disco DOES carry dual winches for a purpose, same goes for the recovery gear I need and the equipment that I have either manufactured or bought from various places. The GBR set-up is NOT LASTING with 32" tires and the "sort of wheeling/bashing we do"...so for us, it does not work. Simple. I have yet to break any of the new stuff. Simple.
CVs are worth 25$ each for now, and the new set-up will get the new Cromo CVs in the 30 spline flavor. I'm happy I did not spend 2K USD extra for a set-up that will limit me to 4.11s and 35s - despite the fact that Bill is indeed a great guy and his service is second to none. Many of the UROC and other "-ROC" competitors run Toy set-ups with +37s and these CVs, so I am certain we'll do good with them. Longfield CVs have been through many versions and have indeed had their ups and downs, but Bobby (of Longfield) has the same customer service that Bill is reknown for, so we'll be in safe hands.
Anyways - enjoy your own set-ups as I am enjoying mine.
BTW: I did want to stick with Rover housings as some comps do not allow otherwise and a rear Salisubury is JUST TOO BIG.
Nadim
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Kyle, I have been on 100's of trips/rides without breaking anything. I don't go out trying to break my junk either. Sure, if I get to a tight spot I can break out the winch and transverse the terrain easily, anyone can, and If I were 1000+ miles away from home I may too. But, the FACT of it is, the stock CV/axles do not hold up to anything bigger than a 32" tire off road with lockers. The 2522's do not hold up to 32's either, it has been proven, there is nothing you can say to change this. You just buy yourself some more time.
I don't want to run a 37"+ tire (anytime soon), so the Dana 60's or 14 bolts are out for me. The diff's are just way to big for my little ol' 33's. The JacMac stuff is cool, but way too expensive, and really, no better than the Toyota stuff because the diff's rarely break anyway (except for the junk stock Rover diff's).
Kyle, you better go knock on wood, because you know you have just cursed your self. Damn Rover god.......
I don't want to run a 37"+ tire (anytime soon), so the Dana 60's or 14 bolts are out for me. The diff's are just way to big for my little ol' 33's. The JacMac stuff is cool, but way too expensive, and really, no better than the Toyota stuff because the diff's rarely break anyway (except for the junk stock Rover diff's).
Kyle, you better go knock on wood, because you know you have just cursed your self.
Damn Rover god.......
I think that the only thing "predictable" on this board is the responses you'll get from a few when you step out of their "box" and do something different or new.
It amazes me how anyone that breaks something or bends something was beating their truck, and it was always predictable. But when you really think about it, if you're stepping out of the box, it's almost guaranteed that you'll find the weaknesses of your setup. Some choose to alter their style, other choose to alter their rig to compliment their style. Seems pretty arrogant to me for someone to say which is right or wrong.
Think of working out. Have any of you that work out ever pulled a muscle while lifting? If not, you're probably not pushing your self.
Have at it, 'cause I've heard it all here before.
It amazes me how anyone that breaks something or bends something was beating their truck, and it was always predictable. But when you really think about it, if you're stepping out of the box, it's almost guaranteed that you'll find the weaknesses of your setup. Some choose to alter their style, other choose to alter their rig to compliment their style. Seems pretty arrogant to me for someone to say which is right or wrong.
Think of working out. Have any of you that work out ever pulled a muscle while lifting? If not, you're probably not pushing your self.
Have at it, 'cause I've heard it all here before.
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Kyle, Mechanical Sympathy. Perfect articulation for something I've always tried to get the right words together for. I' like it. I'm stealing it
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And here they come like a little army.... lol What are they running that is any different then anyone else ? Others are running these same trails without damage and the "Out of the box crew" have the predictable outcome every time. How the hell is butchering a truck and putting tractor parts in it out of the box anyway ? You boys think you are walking on untouched ground or something ?
So to those of you that just posted about stepping out of the box , explain to me just exactly HOW YOU ARE STEPPING OUT OF ANY BOX ???? Dont post more useless bullshit. Tell me how you are stepping out of any box.. Plain and simple...
D , you know the last trip I knew my number was up. I just had that feeling before leaving home . The con was fairly easy and didnt really test anything much but once we got on Dusi , that all changed. I figured I would bust a CV but it just never happened and you arent driving through Dusi and being too nice to your truck.. The elevation and the constant pounding just wont allow that.... To make the CV live you really have to follow just a few simple rules. The biggest one being do not overly apply power with the wheels turned.People are saying they wont live with anything bigger then a 32 , Ho , John and I Have been running bigger then that for quite some time with no failures.. SO , one of you out of the boxers here running something that we arent or havnt ? Or is the case that we have run shit you havnt ? Speak up out of the boxers.......
So to those of you that just posted about stepping out of the box , explain to me just exactly HOW YOU ARE STEPPING OUT OF ANY BOX ???? Dont post more useless bullshit. Tell me how you are stepping out of any box.. Plain and simple...
D , you know the last trip I knew my number was up. I just had that feeling before leaving home . The con was fairly easy and didnt really test anything much but once we got on Dusi , that all changed. I figured I would bust a CV but it just never happened and you arent driving through Dusi and being too nice to your truck.. The elevation and the constant pounding just wont allow that.... To make the CV live you really have to follow just a few simple rules. The biggest one being do not overly apply power with the wheels turned.People are saying they wont live with anything bigger then a 32 , Ho , John and I Have been running bigger then that for quite some time with no failures.. SO , one of you out of the boxers here running something that we arent or havnt ? Or is the case that we have run shit you havnt ? Speak up out of the boxers.......
And likewise greg folks like yourself balance out the discussion with the opposite arguement. That is exactly as planned. This is how i wanted it to go down. I want to be on record in this tread as stating for most of the folks out there the GBR is fine, and if you are a good smart driver it can take you all the places you see in the discoweb videos. You have to remember people read this stuff long after we moved on.
If you are going to abuse your truck or i'm sorry take it to the next level yes, go with some differnt axels and butcher up the truck. The scene of dictum ridge on the video is Me, Ax and Kyle btw, and if that's hardly difficult wheeling. But we stacked rocks because i'll be damned if i was going to dent my disco on some little shelf thing. if i come home with a dent then that's life, but i dont go out looking for them.
but i do consider this to be beating on the truck.
http://www.discoweb.org/nadim/sfinal.jpg
If you are going to abuse your truck or i'm sorry take it to the next level yes, go with some differnt axels and butcher up the truck. The scene of dictum ridge on the video is Me, Ax and Kyle btw, and if that's hardly difficult wheeling. But we stacked rocks because i'll be damned if i was going to dent my disco on some little shelf thing. if i come home with a dent then that's life, but i dont go out looking for them.
but i do consider this to be beating on the truck.
http://www.discoweb.org/nadim/sfinal.jpg
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Dont get them side tracked. I asked them all a question.. Who want to be that it wot get answered ?
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yea, Rob, That is a little silly to me (the pictures)......
I don't know Kyle, I don't know what you, John or Ho are running in your trucks, or the driving style you persue. Sure, I can run with a stock set-up and make it thru most any trail via a winch and a light right foot. I don't know what the conditions of the West Coast trails are because I have never been there, yet. But, I have a feeling it's more like the "paragon rock", really gritty. It's amazing the traction you get on the gritty stuff, and you can run trails that most people would run from. I did break a CV once at Paragon, but it was after a day of fairly hard wheeling in some cool little spots. It was a brand new HD CV that just gave up. No wheel spin, wheel was stright, crawling a rock....It just gave up. I don't think my driving style differs from many other "experenced" guys. I like to try the line that looks interesting and if I can't make it, either take another route or winch. If I get body damage trying the more interesting line, so be it. I'm not driving a show truck, just busting windows sucks.
Take Bill Burke for example. I spoke with him breifly at MAR about axles and tires. He was running the Stock CV's and axles up front, only because there is not a "fail safe" application on the market yet. He has also broken CV's and axles.
I get the feeling you are just talking to talk, but you have got to agree that you are only on borrowed time, as are most of us here.
So, if you have to stack rocks, use "ladders", or winch the trail, do you really complete the trail? I call it cheating.....I talk to so many people that say "yea, we just got off Dictum". I look at there truck with 30x9.50's, "do you have lockers?". "No man, we went right up, no problem". Then, you see the pictures and they have more or less paved the trail with loose rocks. So, if thats the difference in my wheeling vs. your wheeling, we are on two totally different wave links here.
I don't know Kyle, I don't know what you, John or Ho are running in your trucks, or the driving style you persue. Sure, I can run with a stock set-up and make it thru most any trail via a winch and a light right foot. I don't know what the conditions of the West Coast trails are because I have never been there, yet. But, I have a feeling it's more like the "paragon rock", really gritty. It's amazing the traction you get on the gritty stuff, and you can run trails that most people would run from. I did break a CV once at Paragon, but it was after a day of fairly hard wheeling in some cool little spots. It was a brand new HD CV that just gave up. No wheel spin, wheel was stright, crawling a rock....It just gave up. I don't think my driving style differs from many other "experenced" guys. I like to try the line that looks interesting and if I can't make it, either take another route or winch. If I get body damage trying the more interesting line, so be it. I'm not driving a show truck, just busting windows sucks.
Take Bill Burke for example. I spoke with him breifly at MAR about axles and tires. He was running the Stock CV's and axles up front, only because there is not a "fail safe" application on the market yet. He has also broken CV's and axles.
I get the feeling you are just talking to talk, but you have got to agree that you are only on borrowed time, as are most of us here.
So, if you have to stack rocks, use "ladders", or winch the trail, do you really complete the trail? I call it cheating.....I talk to so many people that say "yea, we just got off Dictum". I look at there truck with 30x9.50's, "do you have lockers?". "No man, we went right up, no problem". Then, you see the pictures and they have more or less paved the trail with loose rocks. So, if thats the difference in my wheeling vs. your wheeling, we are on two totally different wave links here.
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There are different types of drivers out there and this is often confused with the capabilities of a particular rig.
Guys who run the stock CV's and wheel all over get folks staring and commenting about how easily a truck makes a section look...while it is true, a truck may clean a section it is often the skill of the driver or the patience of a driver to know when to lift the throttle and when to give it the gas. If you just chuck yourself at something and give it the right foot, 2 things happen with a third as a possibility.
1. You really beat on your junk.
2. You take the emphasis off the driver and the truck will get credit for the obstacle by merely surviving.
3. The Maybe. You might make the obstacle.
A smoother more calculating driver, in a similarly or less prepared rig, will tend to make the obstacle with far less fanfare. Folks will often just assume it's a well sorted truck and move on to the next crazy guy to watch.
This now brings you to the different types of wheeling....I call then Day wheelers and Multiday wheelers....
Each is not neccessarily based upon the number of days out but it serves me to clarify.
The Day wheelers will tend to have rigs more suited for trail only use with an emphasis on Crawling. These folks tend to gravitate towards What I call Obstacle wheeling. The thrill of it all is based upon the obstacles you run. Not so much the day, or the area...as long as there are obstacles these guys rock.
The Multi Day folks tend to wheel based on a destination, or an area...each obstacle is just that, an obstacle in the way of the next camp or stretch of trail. While thrilling, the individual obstacle is not the sole reason to be there. Being there is the reason.
What's my point? hell I dunno. But The Day guys tend to build and play the keep up with the jonses game and break and built etc tec, and the multi-day guys tend to use what they have, to the best of their skillsets (mechanical sympathy being one...Trademark KVT) and roam around.
Again, no point so to speak, but there's my take.
RJ
Former day-guy, now earnest Multi-day guy
Guys who run the stock CV's and wheel all over get folks staring and commenting about how easily a truck makes a section look...while it is true, a truck may clean a section it is often the skill of the driver or the patience of a driver to know when to lift the throttle and when to give it the gas. If you just chuck yourself at something and give it the right foot, 2 things happen with a third as a possibility.
1. You really beat on your junk.
2. You take the emphasis off the driver and the truck will get credit for the obstacle by merely surviving.
3. The Maybe. You might make the obstacle.
A smoother more calculating driver, in a similarly or less prepared rig, will tend to make the obstacle with far less fanfare. Folks will often just assume it's a well sorted truck and move on to the next crazy guy to watch.
This now brings you to the different types of wheeling....I call then Day wheelers and Multiday wheelers....
Each is not neccessarily based upon the number of days out but it serves me to clarify.
The Day wheelers will tend to have rigs more suited for trail only use with an emphasis on Crawling. These folks tend to gravitate towards What I call Obstacle wheeling. The thrill of it all is based upon the obstacles you run. Not so much the day, or the area...as long as there are obstacles these guys rock.
The Multi Day folks tend to wheel based on a destination, or an area...each obstacle is just that, an obstacle in the way of the next camp or stretch of trail. While thrilling, the individual obstacle is not the sole reason to be there. Being there is the reason.
What's my point? hell I dunno. But The Day guys tend to build and play the keep up with the jonses game and break and built etc tec, and the multi-day guys tend to use what they have, to the best of their skillsets (mechanical sympathy being one...Trademark KVT) and roam around.
Again, no point so to speak, but there's my take.
RJ
Former day-guy, now earnest Multi-day guy
Greg Davis said:
This is such an ass-backwards way of thinking. You know what a pulled muscle is? Damage...LOL, it's body damage. It's your body's way of saying, "Yo, dumb fuck, you just fucked up and now ye shall suffer." Same as busting axles, gears, CVs, body panels, etc.