Lockers other than DT, TT or ARB

[Kyle]

AS I said over and over D , there is but one way to prove the point. If there is anything I can do to help you get your toy shit in there before next spring just let me know.
As for your tractor parts , you will learn if you ever do anything. If you travel with the same group on a pretty regular basis you can pretty much cover your spares without having to tote EVERYTHING yourself. I carry a spare set of Maxi Drive front axles and 4 CVs. Others on the trip carry rears and so on and so on. IF one of us breaks its a mild inconvinience and we just shoot the shit while we put in a part we had and get on with things.
Now let me ask you. In our scenario you are roughly 2500 miles from home and the Dictum ridge trail everyone knows and loves and you are in an actual difficult trail that requires that your truck be 100 percent (In all areas) to get out on its own or you become a burden and a serious time killer. YOU dont want to stack or winch so your ratio of breakage is going to be higher , in other words , you are going to break. YOu come to an obstacle that everyone gets over by whatever means they need to use to get over and you get to it and break one of your tractor parts. There aint a damn thing we can do for you even if we wanted to (People have a thing against hard heads) in the way of parts so you are fucked. OH BUT WAIT !! You had one set of spares , hell yes,,, so we put the spares in at Rocker knocker and you finally get up under your own power showing us that you are indeed the man and after I clean all the dirt off of me from bowing to you we proceede. We then make it to rock pile and low and behold , SNAP , your shit is broke again for the same reasons. Now unless you have two sets of spares you are completely fucked. The good news is that its a short trip to the end of the trail. The bad news is that your vacation is pretty much over.....

 

[Kyle]

Oh , but you can say you really wheeled that shit.....

 

[Ron L]

So D... its ok for you to tell me what kind of wheeler I am, but its not OK for Kyle to do the same?

If your such a badass, how come your not on Top Truck Challenge?

 

[D Chapman]

Ron, Never said I was a badass....I said Rover parts are junk and need to be replaced.

Kyle, I run mostly with Toyotas. It's more common to see a birfield, longfield, or marfield than a rover cv of any type. Plus, all the rovers I do run with, except for one, run either stock cv or they are D2's, so I have to carry my own shit anyway.

 

[Kyle]

So you are bringing those people to Moab with you ? I cant remember if it was the last trip or the one before that Ron Ammmon and Dan Wagman were there and broke something like 4 Axles in pritchet . One trail.......... I break and dont have it and I sit back and wait till the Morning when it magically apears.....
And again I am going to ask this (NOT ENDORSE IT).... Why would you waste your time on a TOY conversion when the 9" is right there and readily available ? Its just as much a stepchild as the Toy conversion but A: Its not reffered to as a TOY.. B:The 9" is far superior.. I mean if you are going to do it , why fuck around with it ? When are you doing your swap anyway D ?

 

[Iron Boots]

.... Why would you waste your time on a TOY conversion when the 9" is right there and readily available ? Its just as much a stepchild as the Toy conversion but A: Its not reffered to as a TOY.. B:The 9" is far superior.. I mean if you are going to do it , why fuck around with it ? When are you doing your swap anyway D ?

Bingo. I think I said something similar like 3 pages back...with a picture of Corey Ashe's mini truck on 38" SX's...busted a Long in that particular pic...That was April...he's now running a D60. If you're gonna swap it, do it once. Don't throw the Toyota stuff in and realize you should have just run the Sunray 9 or D60 or, or or...you get my point. RUn the HD stuff to within the envelope. Then if you must change, why mess around? 38" tires on nearly any CV out there will bring you to your knees from what I've seen in my little toyota world...35's? Pushing it, but just be sure you have those steering stops correct...

RJ

 

[DiscoDino]

If I remember correctly the Sunray 9s and all of these other things cost an arm, leg, and some other limbs (from that Article of the white D90 by that female fire fighter in LROI)...

I am just going to provide you with some figures of the Toy (yes "toy" ) drivetrain:

Rover Toy
24 spline 30 spline
1.24" 1.31"
23 spline AEU2522 27 spline CV, and now getting 30 spline CV

(Damn spacing - we need some excel inputs here )

Bobby Longfield has tested his new CVs and they seem to be doing great...even for 38s...(www.longfieldsuperaxles.com) and has a chart for some testing (bench testing, not field though...but should be representative).

Add to that the fact that the Toy hypoid design is stronger, that you're sticking with the Rover axle housing, that once machined its all relatively "drop-in", and finally MUCH CHEAPER, I cannot see how one can refute such a set-up, whether you like it or not. I did order 8 axles from Jac Mac, and have full spares strapped to my cage, spares are spares...In the Middle East, whether or not you wheel alone, you cannot depend on anyone, so I've successfully survived with all the "truck beating" I've done.

You know...the final goal for my truck is winch challenges, nothing less, it is my daily driver when I am in Lebanon (regional work), and it does drive "great" on the road because of the mild lift...this is working for me better than the previous set-up...simple.

 

[D Chapman]

Hell Kyle, if thats the case why not go Rockwell's? Because if I used a 9", D-60 or even have a Currie front end made, and put anything less than a 37" tire, it would be a potato plow. The diff's are too big and hang down too low unless you are going to run that big of a tire.

 

[Iron Boots]

Hell Kyle, if thats the case why not go Rockwell's? Because if I used a 9", D-60 or even have a Currie front end made, and put anything less than a 37" tire, it would be a potato plow. The diff's are too big and hang down too low unless you are going to run that big of a tire.

Kyle mind if I take this?

Because Rockwells are freaking HUGE. Not only do you need to go rear steer for any semblance of manouverablility, but you really ought to shave them while you're there....

then there is the weight. A close friend of ours is running them on his 1983 "Scrambler" and he's pushing them with a 454. If this thing were a diesel it would be a tractor with flex. Granted it goes nearly anywhere and rarely breaks....

and here is a nice view of the shaved diffs (don't ask...)

The HP needed to turn the tires and the beefing of EVERYTHING needed to resist the abuse that rockwells and the related tires is just not feasable for a disco/rrc.

Now, back to what Dino said...you are right, the sunray stuff is muchos $$$, but any credible shop can do a custom 9" or D60 (35 spline) for a reasonable price...\

RJ

 

[F18Guy]

Jesus RJ,

Put a couple weapons on that thing and sell it to the military.

 

[Iron Boots]

Jesus RJ,

Put a couple weapons on that thing and sell it to the military.

It scares small children. Well It scares me a little too

 

[dave_lucas]

?Because if I used a 9", D-60 or even have a Currie front end made, and put anything less than a 37" tire, it would be a potato plow.?

The D60 would hang down a little more than the rover stuff, but if done correctly a 9? should give you more clearance than your current setup.

For example with a custom housing and the following 3rd (true hi 9 or Currie HP) you could gain around an inch under the diff. (the Currie unit uses 8.8 gears so it will not be as strong as a real 9? R&P).

http://www.truehi9.com

Personally I am looking forward to seeing how the Toyota stuff holds up for some of the people running 35 & 37? tires, who knows maybe they will come up with some new ideas that us lowly 33? tire guys can benefit from. After all 33? tires and 3 inch lifts invoked the same responses as this thread only a few years ago.

 

[D Chapman]

But, if you go Hi9, you are looking to spend more on the diff than you would the entire toyota swap. Without looking, I think the Hi9's start at about 1500.00......

So what are you looking at? $1050.00 (low end) for a AEU2522 set-up that has proven to be not much stronger than the stock set-up. That price does not include a locker either, so add another 400-700.00 to compair apples to apples

or

1700.00 for a toyota swap with e-locker, longfield 30-splines, and brand new hi pinion diff. All the way around, it's a stronger set-up. Is it not?

If you go low pinion, you can reduce that price by 100-200.00. The low pinion is a stronger gear, but I'm not 100% sure if thats the way to go or not (steering rods, driveline angles and such). But really, you don't even need to replace the diff anyway. So now you are looking at less than 900.00 for a very strong set-up.

Reguardless, the 2522's don't hold up. The "old" longfields will handle a 35" tire and abuse, or a 38" tire with "some" abuse. This "new" deal Bobby has got going on looks good. Our trucks are heavy as lead, so I don't expect the new longfields to handle 38's on our junk, but I think they will handle my sissy 32/33's just fine.

 

[p m]

Hell Kyle, if thats the case why not go Rockwell's? Because if I used a 9", D-60 or even have a Currie front end made, and put anything less than a 37" tire, it would be a potato plow. The diff's are too big and hang down too low unless you are going to run that big of a tire.

Come on Dan, you just keep going in circles on the same shit - was that you who wanted to build some contraption with D60 outers, Toyota diff, and god knows what else?

 

[DiscoDino]

D,

Actually a hi-pinion & reverse rotation front R&P set-up is stronger than a low-pinion one, and that is why I got the FJ80 Hi-pinion for my Toy swap...I just have to make sure that I do not back up violently as that would put the ring gear on the weaker side...but going forward, you're EXTREMELY stronger.

 

[Iron Boots]

D,

Actually a hi-pinion & reverse rotation front R&P set-up is stronger than a low-pinion one, and that is why I got the FJ80 Hi-pinion for my Toy swap...I just have to make sure that I do not back up violently as that would put the ring gear on the weaker side...but going forward, you're EXTREMELY stronger.

20% or so weaker when on the coast side.

 

[DiscoDino]

yeah...i thought more...well, then that's not bad...still will depend on the rear winch

 

[dave_lucas]

D,

I was simply talking about the 3rd not the rest of the setup. Obviously if you are going to upgrade to a 9? 3rd you would also upgrade the CV?s (30 spline longs) and axles. You would also need a custom housing since it is not physically possible to fit a 9? 3rd into the rover housing.

Of course it is going to cost more than installing a Toyota 3rd, after all the 9? is a major step up from the Toyota 3rd but it wouls still be less than a 60.

In reality most of us have small tires 32 ? 33? with the exception of a few and the GBR gears and standard lockers will hold up for now. CV?s are the current weak point in my opinion and I think it will be interesting to see how Bill?s new CV?s and the new longfields work out for the guys running large tires. If they work out the weak point will move to the 3rd.

 

[DeanBrown3D]

Kyle - sorry to butt in to this thread, can you shoot me an email, I tried your default DWeb email and no response, others no longer work. Re: the tool rolls.

Dean

 

[Kyle]

See this is where I gotta drop out of the thread... The cheap demon has krept in. Y0u can probably find an old timberjack somewhere abandoned and take the housings from it. That would be cheap.......
Dean I will repond tonight.... Trying to make up my mind....