LR & Jag to reduce platforms to 2

[D Chapman]

You are proving my point.

With the Yota's we just slap on some tires and a little lift and don't have to worry so much. Pinion angles, cleaning radiators, upgrading axles and diffs......that is Rover speak.

You're showing your ignorance now.

So in your beloved FJ80 you just toss some springs in and go? Hahahaha.

On your leaf sprung trucks, sure, just toss in some new leafs (or probably in your case some of those sweet aluminum lift blocks from Advance Auto). If you're buying a quality set of leaf-springs then the pinion angles are already factored in. Same on a Leaf-sprung Rover. Same on a leaf-sprung Jeep. But if you're running coils there are additional steps needed to correctly set the vehicle up. On ANY coil sprung vehicle.

 

[garrett]

Didn't LR recently consider getting out of the military vehicle market?

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The Defenders are still widely used all over the world, but not to the degree they use to be. Former British colonies in Africa are still full of Land Rovers of course, but the tide has been shifting and for good reason.

Toyota builds a product that has been proven incredibly reliable and easy to fix on most continents. Not to mention their parts distribution system is FAR more efficient and reliable. Go figure. They dominate and they will only continue to grow. The Thai built Ford Ranger is getting a big push as well. Very similar vehicle to the Hilux.

Large fleet companies like Conrico lease large numbers of Land Rovers to countries all over the world. They deal mainly with relief agencies, govenments and NGOs. They have 200 Defenders waiting to go into Haiti as we speak.

But whether Land Rover intended for the shift to happen, who really knows.

 

[flyfisher11]

Fuck it! Give me a Tdi Nissan Patrol and forget about it.

 

[garrett]

Fuck it! Give me a Tdi Nissan Patrol and forget about it.

Like this? http://picasaweb.google.com/garrettpsu/IcelandSpring2009#5368745515208606354

 

[roverMc]

Like this? http://picasaweb.google.com/garrettpsu/IcelandSpring2009#5368745515208606354[/quote]

Didn't they recall 540,000 Nissans today???

 

[p m]

U.S. makes aside, there's a healthy mix of Patrols, FJ100, FZJ 80, FJ70 (! - after seeing one in person, looks like shit outside), FJ75 (pickup and wagon), and very few D110s on base - the fleet somewhat diversified in the last two years, and Defenders are fewer.

 

[flyfisher11]

U.S. makes aside, there's a healthy mix of Patrols, FJ100, FZJ 80, FJ70 (! - after seeing one in person, looks like shit outside), FJ75 (pickup and wagon), and very few D110s on base - the fleet somewhat diversified in the last two years, and Defenders are fewer.

Yep the Canadians went all G wagon (mil version) and the Aussies are in military Patrols just to name a couple.

 

[knewsom]

Well, yeah... the G wagon is siiiiiick.

 

[mbrummal]

Well, yeah... the G wagon is siiiiiick.

http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1697deutschland-fick-ja.jpg

 

[knewsom]

:rofl:

 

[Drillbit]

Like this? http://picasaweb.google.com/garrettpsu/IcelandSpring2009#5368745515208606354

Ingy's ride, that thing was pretty sick, had a set of underdrive gears in it. To bad Ingy was a such a moron.

 

[garrett]

Ingy's ride, that thing was pretty sick, had a set of underdrive gears in it. To bad Ingy was a such a moron.

What did Joe Pollack yell into the radio as we were pulling into the inn across the street from the big geyser? Something to the effect of, "Shut the fuck up!".

That dude was serious!! "This is not a time to be joking around." haha. Whatever dude.

I sure hope I get to go over again this Spring. I need to get into a brawl in the city.

 

[Drillbit]

I think Bruce said something about Ingy having to leave the Joe said "Thank you for all your help guiding us today" very sweetly then pause and shouted F--- YOU I howled laughing.

The whole getting into a fight in the city thing has been done, I forget the name of that retarded inventor guy who was kicked out of the country before the rest of us got there. You should try to get into a fight with someone out in the country, they are so passive that would take some doings.

 

[Dallas]

I worked in a Toyota dealer for 3 years and can tell you the trucks had all kinds of failure issues when subjected to extreme use, ball joint would fail and would not even hold up as well as North American trucks when they where used in the Oil industry in Alberta. New Fj had issues and weak spots too !

Call it whatever you like. I've worked with both Land Rover and Toyota platforms for training for over 6 years now. Not just a few times a month, but more like two weeks out of the month.

At BCDS we abused the trucks over and over. Never did we break a birfield. At least not in the years I worked there. We lost one rear diff (gears were worn to nothing after 250K miles). Never broke an axle on a Toyota ever. Either at BCDS or OEX.

At OEX we don't abuse trucks. We teach them how NOT to in order to preserve the vehicle for extended periods of time.

Everything breaks on Land Rovers. I've gone around and around with you on this and have listed everything that has over my experience with them.

We did have our first big failure with an FJ80 though. Lost a transmission on a '91 FJ80 with 171K on it.

I've told Bruce at OEX that I don't want any more Land Rovers at the VA location unless they are new 2010 Defenders. It's just becoming too much of a pain in the ass. The DIs don't leak they vomit oil, the head gaskets fail, the u joints break all the time, the radiators last 100K, motor mounts are ALWAYS breaking, etc.

DIs don't compare to FJ80s in any respect. The 80s are better in every respect across the board. You can call bullshit all you like, but I have years of first hand experience with both platforms.

I love my Land Rovers and prefer them in many cases, but I can't deny Toyota's for what they are........superior products to Land Rover and most other makes.

As I've stated before Toyota's are not some holy grail of vehicles, but Land Rover pale in comparison when it comes to reliability on and off road.

 

[LR Max]

Meh. For a while there LR had 2 platforms. The Defender and then the D1/RRC.

So, going back to the roots. I'm down.

 

[jim-00-4.6]

We all have rovers here, well, except for Chris.
For whatever reason, we're all irrationally defensive about the fact that they're shit.
Seriously.

Yes, Dan, I can do those few things you mentioned to make mine stop leaking.
Why did jeep remember to do those things at the factory so I don't have to?
I can replace the shitty motor mounts, but why didn't the company that made my (when new) $60,000 + Range Rover do it right?

my wife's completely stock grand cherokee can do everything my completely stock range rover can do.
oh, wait..
i have those hot-in-summer, cold-in-winter leather seats. her seats are cloth, and pretty comfy all year round.
hmm.. oh, I've got it! Air filters are more expensive in the rover, they MUST be better!
no.. oh! now I remember! I have 18" wheels on the RR, and the jeep has 16", so the Rover MUST be better.
yep. right up until its time to buy tires.
oh!! got it!! I have electrochromic mirrors, and the jeep doesn't! HA !

I know, I can change the wheels.
and the seats.
and so on, and so on.
But WHY?? Why the FUCK couldn't Land Rover do it right in the first place?

I still irrationally love my truck.
Off the showroom floor, I'm sure it was da bomb.
But with 135K miles on a 2000 RR, I worry about what's going to let me down.

 

[kennith]

I don't know what you are talking about. Aside from that maddening shimmy my DII has had for so long, I've never had problems with Rovers. They work just fine when you give them what they need.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[mgreenspan]

But WHY?? Why the FUCK couldn't Land Rover do it right in the first place?

Only valid to North American Rovers. It's much more difficult to find the models over here with all the goodies you're talking about. You can thank the marketing genius that decided only to sell top of the line spec Land Rovers in the US.