JSonova99,
Calm down fellow Rover brother. I just went to the Land Rover web page and built an LR3 V6 with a locking rear. It's all good, so just go pick of that load of crap.
Calm down fellow Rover brother. I just went to the Land Rover web page and built an LR3 V6 with a locking rear. It's all good, so just go pick of that load of crap.
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PacificGroveRover said:
I have my shovel ready. So the only real difference between the two then is the engine and maybe some trim features.
Other Difference,
The V6 wheels are different that the two V8 wheel options. Besides that the major compon:applause: ents are the same,air suspension, transmission, terrain response. In regards to nav system and other options I will let you go to www.LandRover.com and play around with "Build and LR3". Start shoveling!
The V6 wheels are different that the two V8 wheel options. Besides that the major compon:applause: ents are the same,air suspension, transmission, terrain response. In regards to nav system and other options I will let you go to www.LandRover.com and play around with "Build and LR3". Start shoveling!
Found a couple of gallerys of cutaways - you can look for stamped steel to your hearts content.
RRS frame only - http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car2/gallery2.html
LR3 full cutaway - http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car1/gallery1.html
The rear diff - http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car4/gallery4.html
And just for grins, the DII:
http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car3/gallery3.html
RRS frame only - http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car2/gallery2.html
LR3 full cutaway - http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car1/gallery1.html
The rear diff - http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car4/gallery4.html
And just for grins, the DII:
http://www.cutawaycreations.com/IMAGES/car3/gallery3.html
the V6 (forget the specs of maximums till you see what RPM they come in and on at) has NOTHING like the off idle torque of the 3.9 or 4.0 V8 of the Series 1 and 2 disco. Idling around with a dual axle 2 tonn van on the back in deep sand on our islands with the V8 is a thing of beauty - for such a small motor shes got the goods off idle - tractable. For example the 4.0 V8 gets is max torque at about 2000rpm less than the straight 6s of the LandCruiser and Nissan Patrol, before the former, recently, went to V8 only and dropped the 6 (and they are much bigger motors!).
An LR3 came out with us last spring on a slippery but mostly easy roads. Other than the tires it did quite well. We did have to winch it 4 or 5 times in one weekend though.
It is stuck in both of the second two photos. The first photo was taken after winching the truck out of the ruts on the left. In the third photo, the truck just slid off the trail with both tires going over the edge (The edge goes pretty much straight down -- deceptive due to the tall tree).
It is stuck in both of the second two photos. The first photo was taken after winching the truck out of the ruts on the left. In the third photo, the truck just slid off the trail with both tires going over the edge (The edge goes pretty much straight down -- deceptive due to the tall tree).
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Sounds to me as thought the Disco II vs LR3 Debate is really a gelousy thing... Im surprised I dont find Square Wheels on the discos...
LR3 Owner said:
If you don't post a new thread in the LR3 Discussions forum it means you're resurrecting an old thread. That might tell you something.
But seriously, the LR3 in Craig's post looks like it just suffered from having the wrong tires on the wrong terrain.
Having just gone on a Land Rover sponsored off road event (comprised of "new owner" drivers in mainly LR3s and a few stock Discos) I found the LR3s and Discos evenly matched with stock tires. If anything, the slight edge went to the LR3 since in a few areas the LR3s traction control outperformed the Discos. The one trail in particular was a steep, loose gravel climb where if the Discos lost momentum (or didn't have diff lock), they couldn't get up without a few tries. The LR3s went up regardless of how clueless the drivers was. In that respect the LR3 is more advanced than the Disco, but to say it's better depends on your point of view. Currently, you can't modify a North American air sprung LR3 to drive the same trails that a Disco has the potential to take. That doesn't make it a lesser vehicle, just different. Few people want to take a $50K vehicle through such a challenge in the first place.
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Ok.. beyond rolling my eyes...
I've never once wished I had an LR3, I have on several occasions wished I had a D1, RRC, or Defender. Why? Full floating axles, solid axles, great suspension design, simple easy to lift suspension (vs LR3s IFS), great approach angles, great departure angles, great break over angles, body on frame, minimal electronic doo-hickory to go wrong in the middle of nowhere, etc. The older rigs share a lot of parts, which means that someone you are out with might have what you need if you break down. And finally, they look better. The D2 is a slight divergence from this great platform, the LR3 is no longer a Land Rover.
What is it exactly that you think anyone would be jealous of?
--Craig
I've never once wished I had an LR3, I have on several occasions wished I had a D1, RRC, or Defender. Why? Full floating axles, solid axles, great suspension design, simple easy to lift suspension (vs LR3s IFS), great approach angles, great departure angles, great break over angles, body on frame, minimal electronic doo-hickory to go wrong in the middle of nowhere, etc. The older rigs share a lot of parts, which means that someone you are out with might have what you need if you break down. And finally, they look better. The D2 is a slight divergence from this great platform, the LR3 is no longer a Land Rover.
What is it exactly that you think anyone would be jealous of?
--Craig
garrett said:if i had three kids i would feel a lot safer taking them into the back woods with a DI or DII than i would with an LR3. it's still a rover and it still can and will break. when that happens i will always be able to get it home with a Pelican case of goodies.
i don't need all the comfy things on the trail either. i want the windows down, so i can hear what is going on. the animals, the smells and whatever else is going on. i hate Disneyland too. should be a crime to take kids there.
all that aside the LR3 is as ugly as Sally Struthers.
I just started reading this thread and have not read to the end yet but I you are dead on. I have kids and I feel much safer taking them out into the middle of the desert in my beat up 1988 D130 than I do my Disco. I know I could fix whatever goes wrong with it in the field. I don't have the same confidence with the Disco. Sure the Disco is more comfy and quiet but my kids like the wind in there face and the roar of the engine. When I ask them which vehicle they want to take, hands down the Defender. Maybe I will change my mind when I start seeing LR3's on harder more remote trails, but for now when I head out into the unknown hundreds of miles from the nearest paved road I'll stick with the Defender.
Oh, Nathan, after spending the day with Gustaf I am pretty sure my next purchase for a general family hauler and ski car and occasional wheeler will be the FJ.
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Well dudes, the LR3 is not for everyone. Nor is this portion of the forum. If you don't like the LR3, keep the hell out. If you haven't got something to contribute other than uninformed opinions, don't bother. You don't see us over on the antique Disco side of the house, teasing you about the Christmas tree lights on your dash, broken RotoFlexes, never ending rattles, leaks from every orfice, second class citizen status at the LR dealer, etc...
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kellymoe said:
Kellymoe...kevin?
Yeah, the FJ is pretty nice. Hard to fall in love with one after watching it sit in your driveway though. Come on out on the 11th, and sit IN it on the trail.
nwoods said:
Yep, it's Kevin. I'm not bagging on the LR3, I've seen first hand what they are capable of. I wouldn't know what to do if it crapped out on me in the middle of nowhere but I would with the 130. I will be the first to admit that a stock LR3 head to head with a stock Defender, the LR3 will out perform it off road in all but a few areas. Still not convinced independent suspension is plus of road but again in most situations the LR3 shines.
I got some good info from Gustaf but I have two friends that have FJ's and I have driven them off and on road. I cant justify buying anything Land Rover puts out simply from a $$$$ standpoint. The FJ is almost half of what the LR3 costs and just as capable off road. Plus I wont feel guilty when it gets it's inevitable desert pin striping.
It all depends on what you are going to use the vehicle for. I know many have said that before but as an '04 owner thinking about getting an LR3 my heart is somewhat torn.
I have an '04 SE7 no SLS or ACE and it performs just beautifully on road. I have taken it to the dealership wheels event and it did very well. They had an LR3 Leading our trail ride and the both performed well.
The main reason I'm considering the switch if for family reasons. I'd still like a vehicle I can do some light wheeling in, but it also need to carry the family and since I am considering expaning mine I've been asked by my wif to consider the LR3. Yes she feel in love with the Audio system. Possilbly the best stock one I have ever heard. The wind noise inside the cabin of the LR3 is dramatically reduced compared to driving the DII at 80mph. It doesn't rattle as much as my SE7 When going over bumps and rumble stirps. Putting a baby in the rear seat is somewhat of a challenge for my wife because of the height and the smaller door. I also have to transport older family members the other day and pratically had to grease them up to squeeze them through the door. Once inside one commented that it road like a train. I'm still trying to figure out if that is good or bad.
I like that the DII fits like a glove makes me feel like it was made just for me. Everything seems to be placed perfecly and I feel more like I'm one with the vehicle. I'm 6',3" by the way.
The LR3 is much easier to get into, much roomier than the DII both front and back. I'm currently using a loaner with the Nav system and now I could see me driving it every day. It took some time to adjust the seats so I feel more comfortable, like in the DII but the steering wheel is still far from hitting my thighs like on the DII where I only have about 1/4" of room. The LR3 give me like a foot so I feel comfortable and in control but I don't have to squeeze into my optimum driving position.
Its a lot easier to get the little one in and out of his car seat and rear passensers seem to be a lot more comfortable in the LR3 and I don't get a keen trying to poke through the front drivers seat from the rear passengers. That annoys me to no end. In the DII I perfer not to have anyone but the baby behind because of this.
I have not driven one off-road but given both the DII and LR3 being stock the seem to be even more capable. The LR3 seems to allow you to enjoy things a little more and give a little more peace of mind knowing that you can tune the vehcicle to the terrain its on.
The DII does require more skill and requires you to get to know the vehicle more so that you can do more with it. The LR3 tries to tailor itself to you and it's skill will grow as your skill grow if you choose.
The LR3 could be the ulitimate wolf in sheeps clothing, giving style and comfort but also having a very beastly side when taken off pavement.
Both vehicles in my mind are awesome but since I love to drive long distances and my comfort is not the only thing that is important I am deciding to move to the LR3 camp. Everyone is more comfortable and I still get a very capable and flexible vehicle.
I still think the DII has something of a soul. The way the engine roars to like, the way it goes anywhere its pointed and even though its not a sports car its ability to corner flaty. The way it looks and feels as you are driving it. I have never been lacking in vehicle feed back in the DII. The view from the drivers seat out the windshield is definitely differnt. The LR3 I think sits you a little lower than the DII but it still gives good visibility. In the end it just comes down to what you want. I want a comfortable family vehicle I can take of road and have always like Land Rover. The DII can do every thing the LR3 does its just more comfortable in the LR3.
I have an '04 SE7 no SLS or ACE and it performs just beautifully on road. I have taken it to the dealership wheels event and it did very well. They had an LR3 Leading our trail ride and the both performed well.
The main reason I'm considering the switch if for family reasons. I'd still like a vehicle I can do some light wheeling in, but it also need to carry the family and since I am considering expaning mine I've been asked by my wif to consider the LR3. Yes she feel in love with the Audio system. Possilbly the best stock one I have ever heard. The wind noise inside the cabin of the LR3 is dramatically reduced compared to driving the DII at 80mph. It doesn't rattle as much as my SE7 When going over bumps and rumble stirps. Putting a baby in the rear seat is somewhat of a challenge for my wife because of the height and the smaller door. I also have to transport older family members the other day and pratically had to grease them up to squeeze them through the door. Once inside one commented that it road like a train. I'm still trying to figure out if that is good or bad.
I like that the DII fits like a glove makes me feel like it was made just for me. Everything seems to be placed perfecly and I feel more like I'm one with the vehicle. I'm 6',3" by the way.
The LR3 is much easier to get into, much roomier than the DII both front and back. I'm currently using a loaner with the Nav system and now I could see me driving it every day. It took some time to adjust the seats so I feel more comfortable, like in the DII but the steering wheel is still far from hitting my thighs like on the DII where I only have about 1/4" of room. The LR3 give me like a foot so I feel comfortable and in control but I don't have to squeeze into my optimum driving position.
Its a lot easier to get the little one in and out of his car seat and rear passensers seem to be a lot more comfortable in the LR3 and I don't get a keen trying to poke through the front drivers seat from the rear passengers. That annoys me to no end. In the DII I perfer not to have anyone but the baby behind because of this.
I have not driven one off-road but given both the DII and LR3 being stock the seem to be even more capable. The LR3 seems to allow you to enjoy things a little more and give a little more peace of mind knowing that you can tune the vehcicle to the terrain its on.
The DII does require more skill and requires you to get to know the vehicle more so that you can do more with it. The LR3 tries to tailor itself to you and it's skill will grow as your skill grow if you choose.
The LR3 could be the ulitimate wolf in sheeps clothing, giving style and comfort but also having a very beastly side when taken off pavement.
Both vehicles in my mind are awesome but since I love to drive long distances and my comfort is not the only thing that is important I am deciding to move to the LR3 camp. Everyone is more comfortable and I still get a very capable and flexible vehicle.
I still think the DII has something of a soul. The way the engine roars to like, the way it goes anywhere its pointed and even though its not a sports car its ability to corner flaty. The way it looks and feels as you are driving it. I have never been lacking in vehicle feed back in the DII. The view from the drivers seat out the windshield is definitely differnt. The LR3 I think sits you a little lower than the DII but it still gives good visibility. In the end it just comes down to what you want. I want a comfortable family vehicle I can take of road and have always like Land Rover. The DII can do every thing the LR3 does its just more comfortable in the LR3.
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chillywater
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if you're planning on only 30% offroad i don't think the LR3 would be a bad option, it's def. capable and i've heard the air bag suspension has been improved, however you're somewhat limited with your mods on a fully independent suspension truck. I personally would get the 04' DII, the LR3 is so technical and computerized, it kinda isolates the driver from the offroad experience. Plus i'm not a big fan of the dive and squat you get from the airbags, it feels like you're about to slide outta the seat under heavy braking, the "real" land rovers have a more stable, planted feel
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