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dcphotos

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IMG_0344.jpegWe were out in Moab this past August and it was great! Maybe passed two jeeps on the trails all day. I think it’s a sham(e) they are trying to close trails from motorized vehicles.
 
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bri

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View attachment 65856We were out in Moab this past August and it was great! Maybe passed two jeeps on the trails all day. I think it’s a sham(e) they are trying to close trails from motorized vehicles.
August is likely the best time since it's so hot. How much public land and trails does TX have?
 

Howski

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It's no wonder this happens when anyone can buy a truck with 37/40s, buggy or ATV. Last time I was there in Nov 2020 it was a nightmare.
The SXS’s (the people that operate them) tear shit up everywhere they go. They screwed themselves when they caved to making them street legal there
 
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had to go old man on some punks in rental sxs trailblazing the outskirts of fins and things last year.

instagram and sxs are ruining it for everyone
 
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had to go old man on some punks in rental sxs trailblazing the outskirts of fins and things last year.

instagram and sxs are ruining it for everyone
I got so sick of it I spent my time walking around d Arches instead.
 
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I never knew SxS was an abbreviation for side-by-side. Those damn things are worse than motorcycles offroad. Sure, there are some people that operate them responsibly and stay on established trails, but there are so many more morons that drive over anything and everything. So many more than do it in their jeeps and other trucks. And they absolutely haul ass around blind corners and then get upset when you have the nerve to be coming the other way at a responsible speed. One of my favorite nearby camping spots has become overrun by the damn things. A convoy of 10 of them will drive down the trail at 1:00 in the morning with all their stupid fucking lights and giant wagging vertical neon light sticks and multiple blasting stereos. I just sit there in my camping chair with my Winchester Trench Gun across my lap. I need to get a camp rocking chair and a banjo to really play the part.
 

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And they absolutely haul ass around blind corners and then get upset when you have the nerve to be coming the other way at a responsible speed.

I experienced this exact situation in Anza-Borrego. I was in a canyon in my Disco where I could see the flag of an oncoming SxS around the next corner. I halted and leaned on my horn to announce my presence. Even if I'd had a flag (they aren't required for 4x4s, and anyway my roof rack was loaded with brightly-colored drybags) I don't think I would have been visible. It came zinging around the bend and the driver made an emergency stop, coming to a halt fifteen feet from my bumper. Her eyes were as wide as cans of energy drink. She couldn't hear my horn because her stereo was cranked so loud. It's funny now, but at the time it was startling for everyone involved.
 
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StangGT5

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As much as I hate the anti-car crowd winning these fights, the episodes you guys listed are becoming all too common. A convoy of Jeeps taking selfies in a river or SxS crews spinning ruts everywhere, all with cameras rolling, are just fuel for the enemy.

It's a double-edged sword too. As off-roading became more popular manufacturers and the aftermarket gave us some really neat toys. Of course, more people means more idiots and off-road traffic jams.

It's the off-road version of "take overs". We have access, or at least had access, to serious horsepower for relatively little money straight from the dealers' showroom. People who can barely fog a mirror slide behind the wheel of used Camaros, Challengers, etc., and become menaces. Their equally ignorant off-road counterparts prefer SxS and JKs.
 
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DiscoHasBeen

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Like I said… practically no public land.
You guys out west still have it much better than most of us on the East here do, at least here in Indiana. I think the only public off-road park is Interlake, and then there are a few private areas. Back when I had my CJ there were thousands and thousands of acres of old strip mines, but those have either been re-striped and turned into prairies, or have been leased/ bought by hunting clubs.
 

Tugela

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Surprised Big Bend allows the public to access them. Most NPs prohibit any public use on the Park’s primitive roads.

Joshua Tree has a couple 4x4 trails. One through Berdoo Canyon, another over the Pinto Mountains, and those are just the ones I've explored. Although admittedly they don't take you through the more interesting parts of the park. But if you want solitude, you'll find it.
 
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StangGT5

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I've been off-roading in Arizona for 28 years and I have barely scraped the surface of available trails.
As an East Coaster, I have always been jealous of you guys out west. Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah seem like endless expanses of trails.

I'm surprised and bummed to hear about Texas. I raced dirtbikes in south Texas 15 years ago or so, and it seemed like a giant playground compared to Florida.
 
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terryjm1

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Here in NM I am surrounded by off road options on public land. They are so expansive it’s not common to even come across someone outside of hunting season and holidays. Recently a small portion of the forest here was closed to protect a species of butterflies that only exists locally. From memory it was only about 300 acres out of thousands and was temporary. By the public reaction you would have thought it was the entire forest. To an extent there is good reason for the negative public reaction. But, it is really not about the closure itself, which affected a minimal area, it’s about how it is reported and repeated. The story changes from a few hundred acres temporarily closed to “The forest is closed indefinitely!” People hear this and then do not visit, which really hurts the local economy. My wife owns a small business here and these blown out of proportion accounts of the closures does hurt her business.

On a separate note, I have a neighbor who WAS a game warden. He discovered an endangered mouse on some land the forest service leases to ranchers. (It is funny coming across cattle in the woods… my dogs don’t know what to think.)

When the forest service declined to renew a rancher’s lease he was confronted on his regular rounds by some ranchers at gunpoint. It’s important to note there are many other areas available to ranchers that go unleased. He resigned shortly after and now works for a local oil company helping them comply with EPA regulations. If he hadn’t told me the story I wouldn’t have believed it. I would have assumed it was a Hollywood story. It’s sad he left the forest service. He isnt some ”crazy liberal” that doesn’t understand. He is an avid outdoorsman and hunter born and raised here. He is extremely well educated as well, which isn’t typical of locals here. His wife manages a local store that caters to campers, hunters, and just about anyone that enjoys the outdoors. He very knowledgeably explained why the mice were important to supporting other wildlife. Also, there are a lot of wild horses here and with no natural predators we now see them quite often, even walking on the highway through town. About a year ago my wife witnessed a horse being born about 30 feet from the highway. He pointed out how much damage the horses do to the forest, much more than cattle which are limited to only certain areas that are more resilient to the damage they cause. I was unaware but he informed me they are not native to this area and have spread out from the nearby Native American reservation. He also said we are not doing anywhere near enough prescribed burns.

I recently purchased two ATVS. I am brand new to the ATV world. One is for me and one for my son. As one of them is really old and needed repair I joined an ATV forum which was very helpful in getting the repairs done. One person posted some photos of the damage done by some idiots going off the established trail becasue they found a muddy spot to do donuts and other silly things. One of the other forum members, who is a moderator, said it was most likely “illegal migrants that are here to steal our belongings and take our jobs.” That is a direct quote. Wow! His post got a ton of likes. Common sense has been taken over by politics. People let extremist politics get way too much into their lives and minds. From the stories I have heard from my former game warden friend it is wealthy tourists that do the vast majority of the damage.

The history as to why and how we have public lands is interesting. From my perspective, the same mindsets that get really worked up over conservation regulations are right in line with those that originally opposed setting aside land for public recreation activities. If the “government” had not done it so long ago there likely would be no public land for recreation.
 

terryjm1

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Here is a good read if you have the interest. It’s a little dated but with around 200 years of activity it isn’t extremely dated. On a related note about Texas not having much land for public recreation, it kind of makes sense when you consider the history of how public land was designated. What has Texas been known for most of its history… cattle ranching and oil. I read a book a while back that examined generations of cultural beliefs and how strongly they influence mindsets for generations in ways each generation is largely unaware. Things relevant 100 and 2000 years ago still greatly influence beliefs and attitudes.

 
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