NAS D-110 rear locker

[curtis]

i've personally seen 4 detroits get taken out by broken axles

I do believe that you saw your dad and me blow up each of out Detroits with stock shafts in one twenty-four hour period.

:banghead:

 

[gbrbill]

Get the detroit. They are cheap and don't buy from any rover parts place (expecially GBR!!).

LR Max - who are you and why are spreading mis-information about me. Have you ever actually bought anything from me? Have you ever called me? Do you persoanlly have specific examples of instances that I have overcharged you for anything? Please list them.

 

[Leslie]

Get the detroit. They are cheap and don't buy from any rover parts place (expecially GBR!!).

LR Max - who are you and why are spreading mis-information about me. Have you ever actually bought anything from me? Have you ever called me? Do you persoanlly have specific examples of instances that I have overcharged you for anything? Please list them.

opcorn:

 

[LR Max]

Get the detroit. They are cheap and don't buy from any rover parts place (expecially GBR!!).

LR Max - who are you and why are spreading mis-information about me. Have you ever actually bought anything from me? Have you ever called me? Do you persoanlly have specific examples of instances that I have overcharged you for anything? Please list them.

Indeed. I bought my detroit from you. I tried to buy some axle shafts from you and I tried 4 times in a time span of 15 minutes to give you my credit card number, and couldn't due to an overexplanation on the construction of your product. Ok, I get it, its good, now shut up and LET ME BUY THEM!! It was at that point that I became negative toward GBR. I went up the road to the local shop who built me some axle shafts out of 4340 for a reasonable price and the longest sentence comprised of "I'll have em for you in 6 days". Never had a problem since. I gave him my old ones (one broken), he built them, they fit first time, and money was exchanged. Quick, easy, convienent. No one explaning to me about some irrelevant.

Oh, and on the detroit locker deal. I do remember you claiming that the rover style detroits are 600 bucks or some outragous price. There was a claim that they wouldn't get any cheaper than that and your NOS was gonna be the cheapest. I found another non-rover shop (as I claimed) had it for about 200 bucks cheaper than what you offer. Why would I buy it for 200 bucks more just because its a rover parts supplier? Negative. 200 bucks buys a lot of sammiches.

So, that is my beef. When I can't GIVE money to people...well...wtf mate. I don't do business with people who won't take my money (unless its free, are you gonna give me a pair of HD axle shafts for free? It would be cool, but I doubt it. I understand this) and not take my time. And the misinformation that was fed me, I don't know if the facts were misworded or recalled improperly, but I do remember what I heard. And I do remember it was wrong. Therefore, with this past experience, when someone asks me about GBR, I tell them of my experience, which was a waste of time. Also I inform the individual that the prices at GBR are inflated when other shops carry THE SAME product at a cheaper rate.

Do you understand this??

Fin

(Leslie, get out another bag of popcorn and put on another pot of coffee, I think it might be awn)

 

[nosivad_bor]

Indeed. I bought my detroit from you. I tried to buy some axle shafts from you and I tried 4 times in a time span of 15 minutes to give you my credit card number, and couldn't due to an overexplanation on the construction of your product. Ok, I get it, its good, now shut up and LET ME BUY THEM!! It was at that point that I became negative toward GBR. I went up the road to the local shop who built me some axle shafts out of 4340 for a reasonable price and the longest sentence comprised of "I'll have em for you in 6 days". Never had a problem since. I gave him my old ones (one broken), he built them, they fit first time, and money was exchanged. Quick, easy, convienent. No one explaning to me about some irrelevant.

Oh, and on the detroit locker deal. I do remember you claiming that the rover style detroits are 600 bucks or some outragous price. There was a claim that they wouldn't get any cheaper than that and your NOS was gonna be the cheapest. I found another non-rover shop (as I claimed) had it for about 200 bucks cheaper than what you offer. Why would I buy it for 200 bucks more just because its a rover parts supplier? Negative. 200 bucks buys a lot of sammiches.

So, that is my beef. When I can't GIVE money to people...well...wtf mate. I don't do business with people who won't take my money (unless its free, are you gonna give me a pair of HD axle shafts for free? It would be cool, but I doubt it. I understand this) and not take my time. And the misinformation that was fed me, I don't know if the facts were misworded or recalled improperly, but I do remember what I heard. And I do remember it was wrong. Therefore, with this past experience, when someone asks me about GBR, I tell them of my experience, which was a waste of time. Also I inform the individual that the prices at GBR are inflated when other shops carry THE SAME product at a cheaper rate.

Do you understand this??

Fin

(Leslie, get out another bag of popcorn and put on another pot of coffee, I think it might be awn)

 

[marc olivares]

Do you understand this??

i'm not sure i understand this, can you explain further?
i was unaware that offering customer service was such a bad thing.
not that i'm defending Bill or anything, he can do that fine on his own, but your reasons for slandering his business are unfounded based on your reply.

please share with us your real beef, because what you posted was just silly.

 

[GregH]

LOL

I enjoy Bill's chit chat when I call.

 

[XtremeMarine]

i'm not sure i understand this, can you explain further?
i was unaware that offering customer service was such a bad thing.
not that i'm defending Bill or anything, he can do that fine on his own, but your reasons for slandering his business are unfounded based on your reply.

please share with us your real beef, because what you posted was just silly.

Have to say; X2 on all of the above.

Even though I was an ASE certified mechanic for a few years; I have always learned from Bill's explanations. Even if they were a little long-winded for you; I would think that you would appreciate a business owner who goes beyond the call when offering information, technical or not, to a fellow Land Rover enthusiast.
I have learned more than I have ever asked for when on the phone with GBR; and honestly, I don't think that is a bad thing.

 

[landrovered]

I am stayin out of the customer service agruement and at the risk of being flamed, there is an alternative to the whole hardened axle routine.

First: The Salisbury axle is an improvement over the standard rover diff for several reasons...it is a hypoid design increasing the surface area used by the pinion gear on the ring gear plus it has four spider gears. Shame it sits so low.

Second: Axle damage is caused by high amounts of instantaneous acceleration that is applied to the axle, exceeding the strength of the axle material causing catistrophic failure.

Third: Lockers can increase the forces applied to the axle by sending torque to the wheel that would otherwise not recieve power.

Most people think the solution to the problem is harder, stronger axles, yes this will solve axle breakage but the stress gets sent further down the line. After the axles and the diff then you must strengthen your drive flange, drive shaft, u-joints and so on.

A second school of thought is to reduce the amount of instantaneous acceleration transfered from the diff to the drive flange and thereby protect the stock axle. Ashcroft transmission in the UK has come up with a novel way of doing just that. It is called the "cush drive". The idea is you add your locker in the diff end and then a highly modified drive flange assembly that reduces shock by using poly balls of different densities to reduce the instantaneous forces, overall torque is applied to the wheel without the shock, the modified flange has a cushioning effect on the axle. Once this is accomplished, a stock axle can take a hell of a lot of force without failing.

I think that this is an excellent example of problem solving through lateral thinking, Not the traditional BFH approach. It reduces the need to replace many of the driveline components.

I intend to install a Detroit on my Salisbury and the cush drives in place of all four drive flanges and run my stock axles, drive shafts etc.

FYI: I have no affiliation with Ashcroft or GBR or anybody

 

[DennyDoler]

LR MAX, I've got to disagree with your choice and go from my own experience from pork and say that Alex comes off as a real DICK. It seems to me that if your not standing there with $hitloads of money to give to him he doesn't give you the time of day. I'd much rather have someone show some respect to my needs as a customer and give me some info about his product if he so pleases. If I don't want to talk about it then fine, tell him you have to go now and be done with it. As far as pricing stuff, yes I'm going to try to get the most for my buck. If you feel ripped off then should have done some more homework to find a better price or count it as a lesson learned. I don't think you should slam someone for doing what we all complain about not getting Oh, and Landrovered BFH's rule:smash:

 

[landrovered]

I must admit that the most necessary tools for working on land rovers are an angle grinder, a pop rivet gun and a BFH!

 

[Retrofit]

Landrovered :

The "Cush Drives" sounds like a good idea to me at a reasonable price. I might go with that. Let us know how you like it !

Thanks

Pat

" Now back to the regular program ... "

 

[MonLand]

Ashcroft transmission in the UK has come up with a novel way of doing just that. It is called the "cush drive".

I read about that on their web site some times ago. That seemed interesting. Now, I was thinking of something else in the past two weeks: Would it be possible to retrofit/adapt the rubber (??) ring that Discos have in place of their U-Joints as a cushion between the driveshaft and the diff? I'd think this would be similar (probably softer/less strength than Ashcroft's solution??).
Anybody tried this? Is the ring too weak (keep in mind that in that setup, the ring would be flat, not acting as a U-Joint)?

 

[rtiqulatendisco]

To answer a few questions:

I paid $550 for a detroit and to have it installed with new 4.56 gears.

When I broke my sals 24 spline, it did NOT take out the locker.

I just blew up a front toyota diff but the rear sals and GBR axles are still fine.

 

[landrovered]

Interesting theory...Maybe use a poly version of the rubber instead

 

[JSQ]

To answer a few questions:

I paid $550 for a detroit and to have it installed with new 4.56 gears.

When I broke my sals 24 spline, it did NOT take out the locker.

I just blew up a front toyota diff but the rear sals and GBR axles are still fine.

Are these GBR axles sals specific or do the regular LR 24 spline specs still mate up?

This whole stock sals axle comparison confuses me.

What exacly is different about a stocker sals axle set and say a stocker d1 rear axle set?

 

[JSQ]

You can get it cheaper than 435.00. Call Rovertracks, he'll get you the hook up - half price of Great Basin.

....James Gall got one for like 250.00. Not sure where it came from, though. Of course, he paid another 300.00 to have it installed.

So I still haven't a detroit for my sals at this low-low-low price.
Anyone got a line on the best place to buy these days?

 

[Blueboy]

So I still haven't a detroit for my sals at this low-low-low price.

because you know you really want an ARB in there and are procrastinating


Jaime

 

[JSQ]

because you know you really want an ARB in there and are procrastinating


Jaime

"That'll be the day, Mr. Flugleman."

 

[D Chapman]

Man, there was a Dana 70 ARB on ebay 2-weeks ago that sold for under 500.00. Not sure that you want an ARB becasue of your last comment, but that was a good deal.

I'll send James a note and ask where he got his.