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DiscoHasBeen

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One reason the RRCs and D1s are gaining value is they still are functioning after 25 years or more.
Or the fact that inflation is almost out of control and the used car market is fueling it. Read an article not long ago where the author made the argument that when used cars are selling for more than their initial cost, and they aren't collectables, something is wrong
 

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Or the fact that inflation is almost out of control and the used car market is fueling it. Read an article not long ago where the author made the argument that when used cars are selling for more than their initial cost, and they aren't collectables, something is wrong

eh, that argument works for something like a D5 that’s only a couple years old. LR4s and L322s are up in value bc there are buyers who want “boxy” off-roader SUVs that are still relatively modern. It just so happens that the Toyota (and Lexus) truck market is fucking bonkers so people have found alternatives. Lots of people who are used to late model BMW or Audi ownership have no problem stepping into a 10 year old Rover… which is reliable in comparison.

like it or not, D1s and D2s are collectible. 5-6 years ago you would have gotten slapped in the face for even thinking about putting a 3rd gen 4Runner or XJ Cherokee on Hemmings, but here we are.

it’s a cycle. certain rare cars always are collectible. People who can’t afford them find similar cars because they’re still cool and cheap. More people then realize those are cool too, all the while most people are trashing them bc they are worthless. A few years go by, there are not a lot of nice ones left. Then they demand a price premium.
 

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a 3rd gen 4Runner or XJ Cherokee on Hemmings, but here we are.
Completely agree with everything you said. The Cherokee still blows my mind. It benefited from the used Wrangler price/value as a cheap alternative for an off-roader. Now they’re priced as such for the exact reason you described, everyone is on board with getting them due to this perceived value. It blows my mind considering they are a unibody design with coil fronts and leaf rears. The inside is tiny for someone who is 6’2” even though I’m skinny and they take a lot of modification/work to fit larger tires.
 
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eh, that argument works for something like a D5 that’s only a couple years old. LR4s and L322s are up in value bc there are buyers who want “boxy” off-roader SUVs that are still relatively modern. It just so happens that the Toyota (and Lexus) truck market is fucking bonkers so people have found alternatives. Lots of people who are used to late model BMW or Audi ownership have no problem stepping into a 10 year old Rover… which is reliable in comparison.

like it or not, D1s and D2s are collectible. 5-6 years ago you would have gotten slapped in the face for even thinking about putting a 3rd gen 4Runner or XJ Cherokee on Hemmings, but here we are.

it’s a cycle. certain rare cars always are collectible. People who can’t afford them find similar cars because they’re still cool and cheap. More people then realize those are cool too, all the while most people are trashing them bc they are worthless. A few years go by, there are not a lot of nice ones left. Then they demand a price premium.
I didn't mean to imply inflation was THE ONLY thing driving up the cost of used LR's. More "a rising tide raises all ships". I would also think that, if you are an outdoors/off road minded individual who also prefers driving a LR, say like Blue, your choices are pretty much limited to the used market. Unless you want to fork over 100k for a "capable" Defender.
 
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Completely agree with everything you said. The Cherokee still blows my mind. It benefited from the used Wrangler price/value as a cheap alternative for an off-roader. Now they’re priced as such for the exact reason you described, everyone is on board with getting them due to this perceived value. It blows my mind considering they are a unibody design with coil fronts and leaf rears. The inside is tiny for someone who is 6’2” even though I’m skinny and they take a lot of modification/work to fit larger tires.
Yea man, I had two of em. My buddies and I collectively probably went through about 20 of them from 2005 to 2016 or so. Either for parts, for building, daily driving or just thrashing bc they were so cheap.
 

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I didn't mean to imply inflation was THE ONLY thing driving up the cost of used LR's. More "a rising tide raises all ships". I would also think that, if you are an outdoors/off road minded individual who also prefers driving a LR, say like Blue, your choices are pretty much limited to the used market. Unless you want to fork over 100k for a capable Defender.
That was my problem when looking for a new truck. Didn’t want a pickup, period. Besides Toyotas not a lot of “capable” SUVs out there anymore., there isn’t much. Would a Tahoe have been fine? Sure like, 80% of the time. Also, the last gen K2X or whatever Tahoe were MORE expensive with more miles than Rovers were when I was looking. Probably still are now.
 
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For the price of a new anything I could totally redo my D1 mechanically and have money left over.
As it is working fine with typical maintenance performed.
Both Rovers still bring a smile when driving them although the Rangie is my fav.
 

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A pretty modded Jeep and a heavily modded Defender on 35's this time. Defender did well. Of course well over 100K I'd guess.

 

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I'm not a rock crawler, so I'll defer to anyone here who may be, but it looked pretty good to me. At the very least it was refreshing to see someone not be like" OMG, I scratched my new truck".

 

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I've seen a bunch of the bigger Broncos (not the little sports) around town recently. They look much better than the sport but they are still kind of blah...rental-car-looking. The Bronco in the video above, however, is a different story. Except for the stupid missing doors, it looks great. And it performed great. I wonder what the total bill will be to get one into that form?