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Robert Page said:
Ban Dan are you fucking serious!? As Harry S. Truman once said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." If you disagree with him, stand up for yourself with facts or at least a coherent argument, not some whiny little 'you hurt my feelings' BS. Dan has helped more people than you can imagine in the LR community and still does to this day.
Cheers,
Mike
Robert Page said:
Sucks that professor Leo lived in a trailer for two years. You know some people live in it their whole fucking life because people like mister Leo take work from hard working people like myself by rebuilding his house by himself instead of giving me the JOB! if he can afford multiple Land Rovers he is clearly rich. So why rebuilt it ? just to brag about on the discoweb bulletin board? The hell you say I think its just a jab at immigrant workers. Throwing your money around. I hope young Leo earning his money for a new discovery and modifications has been paying taxes? or do you mean earn it as in doing chores so daddy can pay off his son so that he thinks he loves him? Well I have news his dad loves me more, ya thats right I'm a gay immigrant who prefers to do construction but will occasionally sleep with men in Florida that rebuild there own house instead of giving me the work, thus "fucking" me twice but only the pleasure of once. And pleasure is a relative term it felt good but i didn't come. So when he says he can afford a new truck what he meant was he paid me off and I am out of his hair for now , but he never realized that I too could own a precious Land Rover but oh I have news they can be purchased in running condition often for as little as 1000 dollars. So that allows even a gay half Mexican construction working man-whore to afford one. You can ask him and he will deny everything because that's the kind of man he is.
yes, welcome and goodbye no one will miss you.
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Robert Page said:
Awwwwwww, someones pussy hurt? Poor Robert has no idea, does he? I've hurt his friends feeling and now Robert has to stand up for his little butt-fuck buddy. Didn't I see you on MSNBC last night, Robert? Something about Internet sex and 13-year olds? Haven't you learned your lesson yet?
Robert Page said:
So, not only is the kid a dumb ass, but a stupid ass as well? His dad must be really smart, too! Fucking Mensa or some shit. Lets see, a fucking hurricane has wiped out your home that sits less than 5-miles off the coast. Here is a brilliant fucking idea. LETS REBUILD!
Robert Page said:
So, the family received quotes from the Insurance company and received a check to rebuild their home by a builder. Instead, they built it them selves to save money. Then, they go out and buy an LR3 to park in their cracker-jack-box of a house...... Seem like really cool people to me.
Robert Page said:
You should stick to the facts. Making stuff up only make you look like a bigger retard than you already are.
Robert Page said:
LOL, and what did he tell you? Where is this LR3 RTE bumper? Were you just full of shit and wasteing his time by talking? Or, did you show him the money? Since you don't have the bumper to show for it, I guess you were full of shit and were only wasting time........I'm sure he enjoyed your phone calls.
Robert Page said:
Start spreading! Better start in China, though. Well, maybe France will be a good starting point. Oh, don't forget about the UK. Shit, almost forgot about Japan.
You have no idea what SIC is. As far as you know, they make Bicycle parts.
Robert Page said:
I've been here since 2001, girl scout. Get over it. Pull the dick out of you ass and move back over to LRO where you can all circle jerk each other and talk about Kellyjo.
Im a newbie here and from my experience, which is little, just take the shit and move on. I got ALOOOTTT of shit for my 1 or 2 of my posts. But the same guys that bashed me, you know who you are, also hooked me up with some sound advice later on. I guess you can call it the initiation process. Dont get your feeling hurt because someone calls you out on something.
P.s. Lighting doesnt strike twice in the same place, hurricanes do!
P.s. Lighting doesnt strike twice in the same place, hurricanes do!
So Dan,
Noting that I have the ARB bar, and I've hit it pretty hard 4 or 5 or 50 times, what do you see as the problem with the ARB, other than clearance? And really, to improve approach angles, you're going to have to move the condensors/intercoolers and those stupid wash bottles and solonoids - not really the bar manufacturer's problem.
Cheers,
Gordon
Noting that I have the ARB bar, and I've hit it pretty hard 4 or 5 or 50 times, what do you see as the problem with the ARB, other than clearance? And really, to improve approach angles, you're going to have to move the condensors/intercoolers and those stupid wash bottles and solonoids - not really the bar manufacturer's problem.
Cheers,
Gordon
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gordonwh said:
The bumper is weak. Look at the gauge materal that ARB uses, and then compair that to RTE, $afari Guard, or Kaymar.
ARB is a bottom load winch. Stupid.
To get the clearence, you have to move the washer bottle. http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/11873/normal_12.jpg
Check the mounting on the two bumpers. See what you think is better. See which one you think is made better, the ARB or the RTE, then comapir price. See winch one has the better winch location set-up. See which one get you off the ground near the wheel where you need the clearence. Ect, ect, ect.
I'm not sure what's the most ludicrous aspect of this thread.
Is it the unsolicited and univited perspective of annoying feel-good nobodys who can't even attempt to defend their position, or is it this statement:
Both are so far from reality it's baffling to even read them.
Is it the unsolicited and univited perspective of annoying feel-good nobodys who can't even attempt to defend their position, or is it this statement:
D Chapman said:
Both are so far from reality it's baffling to even read them.
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D Chapman said:
Aren't we talking about LR3/D3 winch bars here? Didn't know all these others fitted it?? TJM make one (see http://www.tjm.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=57), and I know you're promoting the RTE. And there's ARB. I thought that was it.
The ARB one is 3 or 4mm guage and I've never bent or moved it, but the RTE _is_ probably stronger. I'd imagine though, that this would come at the cost of a weight penalty.
D Chapman said:
It has some minor inconvieniences with regards to digging in, but it places less load on the chassis and importantly allows stronger protection tubing for the grille/bonnet. The RTE doesn't have _any_ protection there - if I hit a 'roo at speed the RTE offers no protection whatsoever. It's only "stupid" for one particular situation/application.
D Chapman said:
Do you just replace it with a different shaped one, or actually move it? And what about the other side? Both bars are buggered when it comes to improving the centre clearance though.
If you can post pictures of it, I'd be happy to.D Chapman said:
D Chapman said:
Well, price comparison is going to based on location, isn't it? I doubt it would be economical for me to get an RTE over here
. But what's the price differential in the States?Forgetting price, I'd say the differences are:
1. the RTE is stronger - but I would argue that the ARB bar made specifically for this vehicle is strong enough for its purpose,
2. the RTE is heavier,
3. the RTE winch positioning increases loading on the front of the chassis rails, but might save a bit of manual digging if you bury the front of the car in a mud bank,
4. the RTE has no grille or bonnet protection for outback/country driving (unless you can add that as an option?), and
5. those recovery hooks on the RTE would never pass as legal in Australia or the UK (do they in the USA?).
Additionally, my personal opinion is that the RTE bar makes the car look much more 'modified', which I don't want (far too much police attention being given to 4wds over here at the moment).
Cheers,
Gordon
Gordon, keep in mind that the bumper RTE did for me was the first prototype. It was customized somewhat to my personal wants...I didn't want a grill guard - that was one of the things about the ARB that turned me off. Final production models will probably differ quite a bit with a few different options.
I just passed state inspection, recovery points were not an issue.
I just passed state inspection, recovery points were not an issue.
It's funny because my opinion is the complete opposite of yours on that hehe.gordonwh said:
sideview said:
You must have very understanding (or just bored?) inspectors over there! The protruding bits and pieces would never pass over here. Additionally, you wouldn't be allowed to fix recovery points onto an air-bag-compliant bar. It wouldn't take the force when snatching.
I understand about the prototype, but as that is the only one I've seen pictures of, I can only base an opinion on that.
Cheers,
Gordon
Are you requierd in Oz to keep an air-bag compliant bumper on a vehicle that came with one from the factory? You're not over here.gordonwh said:
Even a properly designed air-bag compliant bumper should be able to withstand a snatch. At least one along the same axis as your vechicle. An airbag compliant bumper should only deflect with compression forces, not pulling.
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Gordon,
That is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here. You make Steve Young look like a genius.
......what a retard.
That is some of the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here. You make Steve Young look like a genius.
......what a retard.
D Chapman said:
Hmmm - articulately argued, as ever. Still (knowing I'm going to regret this) what exactly are you referring to. The recovery points?
As Antichrist mentioned, yes, over here you must retain air-bag compliancy. I thought it was the same over in the States - if not, then I can see how the recovery points could be fitted to the front of the bar without issue. Over here the crush-can mounts must be fitted between the bar and the chassis, which precludes fitting snatch points. If you're not required to have these, then I concede that the recovery points could be easily fitted to allow such recoveries.
If this is not the point that seems to have you all fired up, then please explain. I am stating that the D3/LR3 ARB bar is quite fit for duty for a number of combinations of terrain and driving styles. You're just blanket claiming that it's 'shit'.
And could you please clear up your earlier remark - do Safari Guard and Kaymar make a bar for the D3? They certainly don't in Oz.
Cheers,
Gordon