Blue said:
oh hell no thats not the Hillery way...:rofl:
she will take the VP position and then have Obama killed
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oh hell no thats not the Hillery way...:rofl:
she will take the VP position and then have Obama killed
atriot:
Let's assume that both Biden and Palin were forced into service as CIC.
I would prefer Biden any day over Palin in that role. Palin's learning curve would be like watching the Last Emporer get the throne at 10 years of age.
Like him or not Biden is far better qualified to be CIC than Palin.
Now I know you will jump in and say that Obama is the same as Palin when it comes to experience, I do not share that view and that is not the supposition of this post.
This is strictly Biden vs Palin hypothetical.
I would prefer Biden any day over Palin in that role. Palin's learning curve would be like watching the Last Emporer get the throne at 10 years of age.
Like him or not Biden is far better qualified to be CIC than Palin.
Now I know you will jump in and say that Obama is the same as Palin when it comes to experience, I do not share that view and that is not the supposition of this post.
This is strictly Biden vs Palin hypothetical.
landrovered said:
the fact is that the pres makes decisions with the help of people around them, neither one would be sitting alone in a office making decisions. I feel she would do just as well on the real tough ones as Biden would.
I would trust either one more then Obama...the guy dosent even wear the pants in his family let alone be able to handle the oval office.
landrovered said:
This thread isn't about Palin, its about Biden.
Biden would be a total disaster as VP or as President if something were to happen to Obama.
What exactly do you like about him? And don't tell me 30 years of "experience" or speech reading as I like to call it, is his biggest selling point. This guy is a complete pompous ass and you know it. He doesn't believe Obama is ready to lead the country and shit, he doesn't even believe himself that he was a good choice for VP. That may be the one thing I agree with him on.
MUSKYMAN said:
To each his own but we all know McCain sure wears the pants in his family telling his wife Cindy "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you #unt."
I don't trust him not to push the button in a rage.
landrovered said:
thats just stupid.
he has shown control in the absolute toughest situations anyone could imagine.
I have to say that what the world is looking at right now(possible nukes in cuba right now) John McCain is what we need. someone that has actually been in a tough position in life.
MUSKYMAN said:
One persons tough guy is another persons inflexible mad man IE. "W". I think that the vast majority of former Presidents would tell you that long periods of contemplation preceed world changing events. Not to say that "W" didn't ponder the mysteries of the universe but I for one am looking for a more intelligent brain in the worlds most powerful leader than McCain represents.
landrovered said:
and thats Obama:rofl:
go back and watch the debates he was in, without a script he has NOTHING!!!
ah ah ah ah pig ah you can put lipstick on a pig and its still ah pig
the guy is all smoke and mirrors.
john McCain is exactly what he has apeared to be for 30 years that people have been watching him...I prefer the known entity.
landrovered said:
Oh, we love the way he speaks his mind too!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/1127016,open082608.article
Make sure to watch this too Ed! What a class act!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIT3jUrNTX0
"You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking,..." -- Joe Biden comments to the face of one of his supporters of Indian descent
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." --Joe Biden on Barack Obama
“If the Democrats think we’re going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we’re making a tragic mistake.” -- Joe Biden on Barack Obama
"I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is." --Joe Biden on Barack Obama
"I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off." --Joe Biden in 2005 interview on John McCain
Hmm, I'd say that WW2 could be called a world changing event. FDR waited exactly one day to declare war on Japan after we were attacked on 7 Dec 1941. Do you think he gave enough time to contemplate his decision?
Instead of giving ambiguous statements like "I think that the vast majority of former Presidents would tell you that long periods of contemplation preceed world changing events", why don't you give some actual examples.
Instead of giving ambiguous statements like "I think that the vast majority of former Presidents would tell you that long periods of contemplation preceed world changing events", why don't you give some actual examples.
Source: http://www.suntimes.com/news/commentary/1127016,open082608.article
On April 3, 1987, at a campaign stop in Claremont, N.H., a voter named Frank innocently asked Biden what law school he attended and how he performed there.
“I think I have a much higher IQ than you do,” replied Biden, who went to Syracuse University College of Law. “I went to law school on a full academic scholarship.”
He told the astonished man that while he admittedly did not do well his first year because he didn’t want to be in law school, he did much better his second and third years and ended up in the top half of his class. “I won the international moot court competition.”
Without being asked, Biden then boasted about his performance in college, at the University of Delaware, telling Frank that he had been named the “outstanding student in the political-science department. . . . I graduated with three degrees from college. . . . And I’d be delighted to sit back and compare my IQ to yours if you’d like, Frank.”
There were a number of lies in this outburst and it was not long before they too were enumerated:
• Biden got in trouble in 1965, during his first year in law school. He wrote a paper in which he lifted five pages verbatim from the Fordham Law Review. He was given an “F” in the course. He managed to avoid being bounced from law school, retook the course and earned a B.
• He claimed that he was “the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.” He didn’t. He did have a half scholarship that was need-based.
• He did not graduate from law school in the top half of his class. He graduated 76th out of 85 — and he was near the bottom of his class all three years.
• If he won the moot court competition — and he claimed at the time that he actually did — he did not put it on his resume, surprising for a man prone to so egregiously exaggerating his accomplishments.
• He did not win the award for being the outstanding student in the political science department at Delaware, and he graduated with one degree, not three. He had a “C” average and graduated 506th in a class of 688.
At the time, he told a reporter, “I exaggerate when I’m angry.”
On April 3, 1987, at a campaign stop in Claremont, N.H., a voter named Frank innocently asked Biden what law school he attended and how he performed there.
“I think I have a much higher IQ than you do,” replied Biden, who went to Syracuse University College of Law. “I went to law school on a full academic scholarship.”
He told the astonished man that while he admittedly did not do well his first year because he didn’t want to be in law school, he did much better his second and third years and ended up in the top half of his class. “I won the international moot court competition.”
Without being asked, Biden then boasted about his performance in college, at the University of Delaware, telling Frank that he had been named the “outstanding student in the political-science department. . . . I graduated with three degrees from college. . . . And I’d be delighted to sit back and compare my IQ to yours if you’d like, Frank.”
There were a number of lies in this outburst and it was not long before they too were enumerated:
• Biden got in trouble in 1965, during his first year in law school. He wrote a paper in which he lifted five pages verbatim from the Fordham Law Review. He was given an “F” in the course. He managed to avoid being bounced from law school, retook the course and earned a B.
• He claimed that he was “the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.” He didn’t. He did have a half scholarship that was need-based.
• He did not graduate from law school in the top half of his class. He graduated 76th out of 85 — and he was near the bottom of his class all three years.
• If he won the moot court competition — and he claimed at the time that he actually did — he did not put it on his resume, surprising for a man prone to so egregiously exaggerating his accomplishments.
• He did not win the award for being the outstanding student in the political science department at Delaware, and he graduated with one degree, not three. He had a “C” average and graduated 506th in a class of 688.
At the time, he told a reporter, “I exaggerate when I’m angry.”
HW Bush:1st Gulf War
LBJ: Viet Nam Escallations
Truman: Korean Conflict
JFK: Cuban Missle Crisis
LBJ: Viet Nam Escallations
Truman: Korean Conflict
JFK: Cuban Missle Crisis
One great example is when he returned to Vietnam. That showed great restraint, thought and compassion.MUSKYMAN said:
BTW, I thought O'Reilly made Obama look quite ignorant. McCain is going to out-debate him.
I'll ask it again: did FDR give enough time to contemplate his decision to declare war on Japan and enter in a World War? This wasn't a regional conflict like those that you mentioned, but a World War.
Bush acted with restraint in Afghanistan and Iraq. Had Truman been in office the last 8 years he might have dropped a nuke on them. I'm sure he would have done so with some serious contemplation though.
Bush acted with restraint in Afghanistan and Iraq. Had Truman been in office the last 8 years he might have dropped a nuke on them. I'm sure he would have done so with some serious contemplation though.