Oh Milwaukee...We Have a Problem
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Ok let's assume the present state isn't a consequence of complex mix prior events and current free will, and that based on anecdotal evidence of African tribes and our black neighbor's word, these rioting blacks are fundamentally different. This leads down a path that has we've been down many times and it perpetuates that which we are trying to prevent. Only by making an effort to understand the factors involved can we take actions that address them effectively, not unlike diagnosing your broke ass Rover. The riots need to be dealt with by law enforcement and backed up by national guard if need be, but what happens after that is more important, and requires much consideration and critical thinking which is increasingly lacking in this highly polarized climate.
So what is your solution? Reparations? Free money?
Inner cities usually get the highest $/student school money from states, and that hasn't worked out too well.
Give them all jobs? That they can't get too, or are incapable of performing at?
That complex mix of prior events you mention is plenty anecdotal, and every letter of that history has been colored by the preferred ink of each contributing author. It's an absolute mess.
You can accept that sloppy, biased mess as comfortable truth, or you can shed all preconceptions and see these locations and people as they exist naturally; not letting what you've been taught or what's expected of you in society affect your observations and conclusions.
If you name direct experience as anecdotal, than I've got a shit-load of anecdotes, and so does everyone else. I really love anecdotal particle physics...
What are you trying to prevent? Are you trying to prevent violence and suffering, or are you trying to further encourage the idea that we are all the same?
We aren't, and we never have been.
People are so caught up in the belief that everyone is equal in every single way that critical thinking is impossible for most, at this point. It's not a proper analysis when you start the experiment by replacing variables with comfortable assumptions; simply because they seem to fit well enough.
As for the riots... I really don't think bringing the National Guard into the fray is a good idea. There's just too much that can go wrong. If a local or regional law enforcement agency ends up pissing people off even more than they already are, we can hang them out to dry and open an "investigation".
If, however, the National Guard finds itself in that situation... That's going to be a little harder to polish out.
You've got to consider who you want pulling the trigger if that needs to happen at some point. It's not just about quelling a riot. You've got to be able to smooth over the fallout, or you've just caused another one. It's best to have a disposable agency do this kind of job, with quiet help from behind the lines.
Cheers,
Kennith
I think prior events definitely had an impact on people. However, the rioters are using their free will to act like animals.
They should tear gas them all and lock them up for as long as possible.
Anything that happens after needs to come from within the community itself, not from law enforcement.
Maybe if this country had a leader that was worth a damn he'd have the balls to tell these animals to knock off their bullshit.
As for Trump...
What if I've for many, many years been a proponent of carefully building extensive, long-term trade agreements with the Russian Federation?
What if I've been suggesting the idea of a financial barrier between the U.S. and China all that time, as well, and that we name them a manipulator of currency to leverage a stronger position in the world market?
What if I've been interested in rounding out our military, now that it's become a new kind of fighting force. What if (heavens forbid) I have decided that his tax ideas are sensible and (almost more importantly) achievable?
Those main points are things I've been on about for years, and they're gigantic, world-changing issues.
Trump supports them.
Are we not meant to be encouraging candidates with ideas that we think are important?
I don't like some of his ideas, but if ever a political candidate emerges that satisfies you on every level of your being, you should call in an air strike or go find Jesus while you still can. :rofl:
Trump is big on three of my main concerns; one of which was formerly so rarely discussed that every time I mentioned it faces just went blank... As if I were suggesting we hold hands and have a sing-a-long with the fucking USSR...
Not everyone has to like the guy.
Cheers,
Kennith
What if I've for many, many years been a proponent of carefully building extensive, long-term trade agreements with the Russian Federation?
What if I've been suggesting the idea of a financial barrier between the U.S. and China all that time, as well, and that we name them a manipulator of currency to leverage a stronger position in the world market?
What if I've been interested in rounding out our military, now that it's become a new kind of fighting force. What if (heavens forbid) I have decided that his tax ideas are sensible and (almost more importantly) achievable?
Those main points are things I've been on about for years, and they're gigantic, world-changing issues.
Trump supports them.
Are we not meant to be encouraging candidates with ideas that we think are important?
I don't like some of his ideas, but if ever a political candidate emerges that satisfies you on every level of your being, you should call in an air strike or go find Jesus while you still can. :rofl:
Trump is big on three of my main concerns; one of which was formerly so rarely discussed that every time I mentioned it faces just went blank... As if I were suggesting we hold hands and have a sing-a-long with the fucking USSR...
Not everyone has to like the guy.
Cheers,
Kennith
What if no matter how inextricable the ties we are never going to achieve lasting equality with the Russians? Nevermind that they will grow old before they grow too much more powerful?
Or cast against the Chinese comment; what if we had more in common with the Chinese than we do with the Russians in terms of values and outlook-hence in no small part why we don't get along with them (unless you are actually there, in which case all of this seems academic).
It strikes me that getting closer to the Russians serves little real purpose, especially given their economy-whereas maintaining strong ties with the Chinese economically and attempting to diffuse their expansion (they learned that from us, the Middle Kingdom was not really imperialistic till we (the west) brought it on them).
Tax policy, I won't go there. Domestic politics swamps don't really intrigue me.
Valid and thoughtful arguments, but that's more of a live conversation subject.
It would be pages upon pages of explanation from both camps just to get the founding principals across in a public forum.
I've got that foundation (with a forefront acceptance and acknowledgement of your concerns) for my position, but there's just no way it could easily be discussed on a bulletin board; and the die has been cast anyway.
My reason for posting those notes is merely to point out that favoring Trump as more than just a foil for Hillary doesn't mean you've been caught up in some kind of hype.
It's possible that he simply has ideas regarding complex topics that align with your own.
Cheers,
Kennith
I wish these guys would do more videos... They hit the republican debates as well, and some entertainment like Walking Dead:
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Cheers,
Kennith
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Cheers,
Kennith
"We" don't need to work on some kind of peace, arrangement, understanding, reparation, or apology. "We" didn't loot, "we" didn't burn, "we" as Irish, Italian, Native American, Jewish, Polish, etc haven't been couching our inexcusable rage and violence and speech in past wrongs and "marginalization". This isn't a problem "we" have. This is a problem within the black community. "We" can't do it for them. "We" can't help those that are seemingly not ready for it. Slavery isn't Black America's problem. Problems are Black America's problem.
Kennith - I agree with you regarding Trump -except in regards to Russia - but what I also believe is that Trump can't do those things nor would he be able to get the help to accomplish those things. He's a salesman. Not a leader.
Kennith - I agree with you regarding Trump -except in regards to Russia - but what I also believe is that Trump can't do those things nor would he be able to get the help to accomplish those things. He's a salesman. Not a leader.
To wit:
There will be a candlelight vigil for the Christopher Barry in DC his week. Son of former Mayor Marion "The bitch set me up!" Barry. A hardworking "hero" for the people of ward 8 in DC. A true public servant who always placed others in front of himself. A model for all young black men to look up to! This poor man died "unexpectedly" after collapsing from smoking K2 and PCP last week. Some of his "accomplishments" are listed below:
Feb. 18, 2005
Charged with assault on a police officer and simple assault.
May 28, 2011
Charged with PCP possession.
May 2, 2014
Driving under the influence
May 18, 2014
Charged with failure to obey police officer.
May 23, 2014
Arrested and charged with unlawful entry.
July 30, 2014
Driving on a revoked or suspended license.
Jan. 21, 2015
Charged with destruction of property. It was during this event that Mr. Barry threw a trashcan at a bank teller after she refused to give him $20,000 dollars in cash from an account $2000 over-drawn. During this incident the object of the future candlelight vigil said the following:
"“You always give me a hard time,” he replied, according to the report. “I’m going to have someone waiting for you when you get off, you bitch!" (This from the Washington Post)
I guess this is yet another victim of slavery and marginalization.
There will be a candlelight vigil for the Christopher Barry in DC his week. Son of former Mayor Marion "The bitch set me up!" Barry. A hardworking "hero" for the people of ward 8 in DC. A true public servant who always placed others in front of himself. A model for all young black men to look up to! This poor man died "unexpectedly" after collapsing from smoking K2 and PCP last week. Some of his "accomplishments" are listed below:
Feb. 18, 2005
Charged with assault on a police officer and simple assault.
May 28, 2011
Charged with PCP possession.
May 2, 2014
Driving under the influence
May 18, 2014
Charged with failure to obey police officer.
May 23, 2014
Arrested and charged with unlawful entry.
July 30, 2014
Driving on a revoked or suspended license.
Jan. 21, 2015
Charged with destruction of property. It was during this event that Mr. Barry threw a trashcan at a bank teller after she refused to give him $20,000 dollars in cash from an account $2000 over-drawn. During this incident the object of the future candlelight vigil said the following:
"“You always give me a hard time,” he replied, according to the report. “I’m going to have someone waiting for you when you get off, you bitch!" (This from the Washington Post)
I guess this is yet another victim of slavery and marginalization.
I remember when we moved from Detroit to San Diego 20 years ago, and I drove around many neighborhoods (poor and rich, white, Asian, black, Mexican), I never once saw a classic street corner party that was endemic for Detroit. And that was during much better times in Detroit and Midwest in general.
It looks to me that anywhere any particular population group becomes dominant in the U.S., all sorts of ugly things appear. You can pick your pet peeve - Brooklyn and Bronx in NY, Glendale/Burbank/South-East LA, Riverside, Bakersfield in California, most large cities in Midwest and South. The outcome depends slightly on what is the dominant population group - some maintain peaceful and orderly appearance longer than the others, but life will deviate progressively from what we consider a norm in the U.S.
It looks to me that anywhere any particular population group becomes dominant in the U.S., all sorts of ugly things appear. You can pick your pet peeve - Brooklyn and Bronx in NY, Glendale/Burbank/South-East LA, Riverside, Bakersfield in California, most large cities in Midwest and South. The outcome depends slightly on what is the dominant population group - some maintain peaceful and orderly appearance longer than the others, but life will deviate progressively from what we consider a norm in the U.S.