Ok, this is BS.

[mulisha00]

Kris,

Can you please tell me how this is different then all your "union" buddies telling me who to vote for?

When I was 18 I worked in a factory with a Union. They sported all the leftist stickers and plastered that crap all over the workplace. The day of the election they basically blocked up the parking lot like a fucking strike was going on and tried to intimidate people into voting dem. The majority of unions in the country do the same.

Take this bullshit elsewhere. This is nothing that your side hasn't already been doing for years.

atriot:

 

[knewsom]

Your union can't fire you for whatever reason they dream up because they don't like your politics. They can make your life miserable, sure, but they can't hold your livelihood hostage. That's they key point here.

Just restating this, since it's what this discussion is really about.

 

[p m]

Kris, Ask Bailey if your words are in any way comforting.

Teachers' are one of the worst unions there could be.

 

[knewsom]

Again. unions cannot fire you. Your boss can. That's the key difference. I'm not saying Unions should be able to tell you who you should vote for either - but I'm saying I'd be more intimidated by it coming from my boss, and this bullshit has to stop.

 

[Blue]

Someone has to put a stop to it because you're intimidated? Is this a cry for help?

 

[toadermcgee]

Again. unions cannot fire you. Your boss can. That's the key difference. I'm not saying Unions should be able to tell you who you should vote for either - but I'm saying I'd be more intimidated by it coming from my boss, and this bullshit has to stop.

Medium to small business bosses can and should hire and fire at will. If they want to pick up their marbles and go home they can, at anytime. They don?t have to keep people employed. You can always take your talents elsewhere and work for someone who has the same opinions as yourself.

 

[knewsom]

Ok, so let me get this straight.

me: hey guys! This is bullshit!

blue: the unions have been doing this same bullshit for years!

me: yeah, but they can't fire you - your boss can (not that the unions should be doing this bullshit either). In any case, it's still bullshit, and it's gotta stop.

you guys: well who gives a fuck about anyone's feelings anyway? If you don't want to be intimidated by your Republican Plutocrat boss over your political leanings, go work for a liberal. Whoo! 'Merica! (I added that last bit for fun)


And here's the thing. I DO work for liberals. I have no personal stakes in this issue. That's not the point. The POINT is that most folks don't have much choice in the matter, and that the ideals our nation was founded on revolve around the notion of balance of power. Currently that balance is incredibly skewed in favor of the extremely wealthy (btw, none of you qualify as that, and never will so don't feel threatened by my statement - feel threatened by their grasp of your short and curlies), and in favor of corporate interest, indeed moreso than anytime in the last 80 years or so.

 

[brian4d]

Yawn...

 

[RBBailey]

Your union can't fire you for whatever reason they dream up because they don't like your politics. They can make your life miserable, sure, but they can't hold your livelihood hostage. That's they key point here.

A couple of things.

I would have been fired, last year if I wasn't part of the Union, they hold this over your head and make sure you understand that they make sure you won't get fired. This only occurs if you do something stupid, or in the case of a strike.

Second, two years ago the Union told me they would not help me when the district dropped my two kids from insurance during the middle of the year, without warning. I have no way of proving it, but I get the distinct feeling, based on how they responded to me when I asked for help, that they did this because of my political affiliation.

When I asked for help in addressing my contract issues with the district, the Union rep hopped away gleefully telling me she'd get right on it. But I never got an answer. So a week later I went to them -- I walked into the room with two of the building's Union reps. I asked if they had time to talk about my case. They literally put their heads down and ignored me. The one that I do not know kind of came over and mumbled something about how they can't help me. That was it. I emailed a few others I knew in other buildings and such, but never even got emails returned. That was the representation I got from the Union.

 

[roverover]

Unions have so outlived their usefulness. My Dad was a big union guy and they did a lot of good in their/his time but that time has passed.

If I were a member of the teachers union I would be a fan too, but as stated they have become so entwined in the corruption of Government that it is appalling. How does any union get its assets guaranteed by the Fed???

 

[Blue]

So a union can't fire you but your boss can. You don't think a union can eliminate your ability to work if you don't suck at the same tit as the rest of the union?

 

[knewsom]

Unions have so outlived their usefulness. My Dad was a big union guy and they did a lot of good in their/his time but that time has passed.

If I were a member of the teachers union I would be a fan too, but as stated they have become so entwined in the corruption of Government that it is appalling. How does any union get its assets guaranteed by the Fed???

How do corporations get their assets backed by the federal government?

 

[Mike_Rupp]

How do corporations get their assets backed by the federal government?

That's easy: give a campaign contribution to a politician.

 

[kzack]

I've always enjoyed this video. Though it may be an isolated incident it is an example of many 'union brother's' (not my label) attitudes and agendas ...

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/02/23/video-raises-questions-over-whether-worker-was-struck/

Keith

 

[roverover]

How do corporations get their assets backed by the federal government?

I believe that was the question

 

[knewsom]

That's easy: give a campaign contribution to a politician.

Bingo. You sure you don't want any balance of power there? I may not agree with the unions all the time, just like I don't agree with the corporations all the time (or hell, anyone)... but as long as they disagree with each other and balance one another's interests instead of letting one group run wholesale over our government... well, then that's an acceptable balance. Like I said. Unions still serve a purpose.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Kris, what balance is there against the teacher's unions? Do the school districts contribute to Republicans? Lol. Teachers unions contribute to democrats and democrats give them great contracts in return.

 

[knewsom]

Kris, what balance is there against the teacher's unions? Do the school districts contribute to Republicans? Lol. Teachers unions contribute to democrats and democrats give them great contracts in return.

Your logic is a pure and abject failure. "Teachers unions are unchallenged by corporations therefore the notion of unions balancing corporate interest is null and all unions are bad, serve no purpose and should be banned". Ridiculous.

I agree that public-sector unions have gotten too powerful (usually it's no single union but when multiple unions collaborate on an issue - like crime & punishment, more prisons, etc). That doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose, and if any of you suggests that teachers are overpaid, I'm going to laugh about it all damend day.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Kris, who were you quoting?

 

[knewsom]

Paraphrasing you, and your blatant cognitive dissonance.