Ok, this is BS.

[knewsom]

It's unethical for those who hold your livelihood in the palm of their hand to use that power to coerce you into voting how they want. It's really very simple, and it's not a liberal vs conservative issue at all. If you guys can't see the problem it's because you've been blinded by partisanship.

 

[knewsom]

Here is a real world example: I just found out that my company's health insurance premiums will be going up just under 19% in January. Guess what? We are dropping health insurance coverage...now it's every man for himself. That being said, I realize that I can't just delete a benefit without potential "repercussions" so I am going to increase the salary of all those eligible for the coverage by the current cost of that coverage. The employee can take that money and spend it on their own personal health insurance or they can spend it as they please. A perfect example of personal accountability. We're not talking major dollars here or a large number of covered employees but I run a business and this benefit cost is in real dollars that have a real effect on my business. I absorbed about a 16% increase this year vs. last and I'm done.

When the employees ask why, I will suggest that they ask the man currently in the driver's seat in the Oval Office. I don't have any control over who they vote for but you damn well better believe that I will empower my employees with facts and knowledge and perhaps they'll better understand how the world works and how things affect them personally. Knewsom, is this BS? Does someone have to make me STOP?

Jumping to conclusions, scapegoating, patronizing, and otherwise acting like a putz isn't "empowering with facts and knowledge". It's bullshit, and if you're using your position as an employer to bully your workers into voting one way or another, you're every bit as unethical as the pieces of shit the article in the original post is about.

Perhaps this may come as a shock, but there are misuses of power that have nothing, NOTHING to do with Government.

 

[knewsom]

Are we not different?

I am a fighter. That is, and has always been my way. In my every effort I am aggressive. That set me upon a certain path, and that path encouraged certain beliefs and behaviors.

While intelligent, I was not predisposed to the effort of learning, preferring instead to rely on observation and guile.

Calm was brought to me by discipline. Philosophy was brought to me by thought. Education was brought to me by effort. Patience was brought to me by experience.

Those are aspects that temper my nature, but they do not remove or change it. I am who I was, and who I will be. I am primitive; a fighter by nature, clothed in the finer garments of culture.

Are you the same?

I think we are all different at heart. We all have our own way, though we share them with others of like nature. For every fighter, however, there is a builder; a teacher, or otherwise different person.

Our elemental similarities arise from a collective instinct to cooperate. That's one of the defining characteristics of being human.

We learn of many paths, but we do not travel all of them. Logical debate can force agreement, but on dissected parts of the whole. Given adequate strategy, you might leave me with no option but to agree that this planet is the size of a marble.

That does not change my nature. It changes my perspective, and thus illuminates a different way to follow my own path. In order to accomplish that, one must agree to seek itemized truth in philosophical debate. That means passing beyond the "issues", to examine the fundamental truth.

That's just plain not going to happen here.

I speak my mind as it is, though, when it is. Sometimes my view changes a bit later, when I'm not so damned tired. I keep nodding off trying to type this.:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith

No, I don't think we are. Every human archetype exists in all of us in varying degrees. ...in any case, I'd say there's a reason I'm still here talking to you guys - and it has everything to do with my "nature".

 

[jhk07]

Here is a real world example: I just found out that my company's health insurance premiums will be going up just under 19% in January. Guess what? We are dropping health insurance coverage...now it's every man for himself. That being said, I realize that I can't just delete a benefit without potential "repercussions" so I am going to increase the salary of all those eligible for the coverage by the current cost of that coverage. The employee can take that money and spend it on their own personal health insurance or they can spend it as they please. A perfect example of personal accountability. We're not talking major dollars here or a large number of covered employees but I run a business and this benefit cost is in real dollars that have a real effect on my business. I absorbed about a 16% increase this year vs. last and I'm done.

When the employees ask why, I will suggest that they ask the man currently in the driver's seat in the Oval Office. I don't have any control over who they vote for but you damn well better believe that I will empower my employees with facts and knowledge and perhaps they'll better understand how the world works and how things affect them personally. Knewsom, is this BS? Does someone have to make me STOP?

Blue..... What I agree with you here on is when your employee engages you in a conversation, You Can Say Whatever The Duck You Want, within business decorum of course !


(Our CEO is getting emails from our employees. And I thought I was the rowdy one)

 

[mgreenspan]

It's unethical for those who hold your livelihood in the palm of their hand to use that power to coerce you into voting how they want. It's really very simple, and it's not a liberal vs conservative issue at all. If you guys can't see the problem it's because you've been blinded by partisanship.

You need to define coercion. I find it unethical that news channels present the stories they do and don't present certain stories. That's a problem. That's unethical.

Please show me the unethical act of using power to coerce individuals to vote. I don't see anybody being threatened that they will lose their job if they do not vote for Romney. Saying that the company will have to be downsized due to policies is a fact and not a threat.

It's actually very simple Newsom. You are inventing an issue where one doesn't actually exist, getting emotional about it, and then claiming that those who do not care or agree with you are blinded by partisanship. You don't like that he's suggesting Dem policies are at fault for degrading their business and recommending that other Rep policies will be beneficial. You added in that it doesn't matter that it's conservative or liberal in your first post that it's just plain wrong. The fact is that if it were the other way around you would not care because you would not have even heard about it. Way to stay out of every other political thread but then create this dumb one where there isn't even a real issue. Just one that has been invented in your mind because you think someone is holding peoples livelihoods hostage when in fact that is not happening.

 

[p m]

Jumping to conclusions, scapegoating, patronizing, and otherwise acting like a putz isn't "empowering with facts and knowledge". It's bullshit, and if you're using your position as an employer to bully your workers into voting one way or another, you're every bit as unethical as the pieces of shit the article in the original post is about.

Perhaps this may come as a shock, but there are misuses of power that have nothing, NOTHING to do with Government.

Two things here:
(1) Let's say the insurance premiums on average rose in the last four years absolutely incomparable to the rate of inflation. That affected not only small businesses but even the very large ones. While you could argue that it has nothing to do with the present administration's policies, it's a matter of fact.
You may dismiss a causality claim as not stemming from this observation. But, regardless of whether one (an employer or its representative) is right or wrong about the cause -

(2) The employers' rights to free speech have been trampled into oblivion in the last couple of decades, so it took a special decision by the Supreme Court to support employers' right to express their desire for one or another elected official. That does NOT constitute bullying in any way, because the employer has no way of knowing how the vote was cast and therefore has no way to act upon it.

Kris, put your fucking pipe down. Hanging on Facebook 24 hours a day doesn't do wonders to one's intelligence.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

"holding people's livelihoods hostage"

Think about that for a second. Does a company have any obligation to keep someone employed? Does that employee have any obligation to work at the company? Knewsom makes it sound like the worker is completely powerless and the employer is all powerful. If you are pissed off at your CEO for trying to influence your vote, leave the company at get a job at some hippie company that agrees with you or start your own. Otherwise, keep your head down and stop being such a pussy.

 

[kennith]

It's unethical for those who hold your livelihood in the palm of their hand to use that power to coerce you into voting how they want. It's really very simple, and it's not a liberal vs conservative issue at all. If you guys can't see the problem it's because you've been blinded by partisanship.

Note that, at the end, you back up to partisanship again. If they don't understand, they must be brainwashed.

They could say the same about you.

In my personal opinion, such action within a business is poor form, and nothing more. The boss has an opinion as well, and he can't easily run around to every desk arguing about it all. Would I do it? Probably not, but only because the risks could outweigh the benefits.

I might allow paid, rotating free days to encourage interest in the election process and offer people more time to consider voting.

It is my belief that people get away with far worse in the academic world.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

...in any case, I'd say there's a reason I'm still here talking to you guys - and it has everything to do with my "nature".

Yes it does. You are hardheaded.:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Blue]

It's unethical for those who hold your livelihood in the palm of their hand to use that power to coerce you into voting how they want. It's really very simple, and it's not a liberal vs conservative issue at all. If you guys can't see the problem it's because you've been blinded by partisanship.

I completely agree with this.

 

[Blue]

Jumping to conclusions, scapegoating, patronizing, and otherwise acting like a putz isn't "empowering with facts and knowledge". It's bullshit, and if you're using your position as an employer to bully your workers into voting one way or another, you're every bit as unethical as the pieces of shit the article in the original post is about.

Perhaps this may come as a shock, but there are misuses of power that have nothing, NOTHING to do with Government.

LOL, knewsom, you have had so much liberal crap crammed into your head that it's spilling out everywhere and making a mess.

 

[JohnB]

LOL, knewsom, you have had so much liberal crap crammed into your head that it's spilling out everywhere and making a mess.

Blue I heard Romney speaking in Florida today. He says he "loves you". Must make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Blue I heard Romney speaking in Florida today. He says he "loves you". Must make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

You view things like an emotional liberal and think other people must think (or maybe feel is the more appropriate term) the same way. I could give a flying fuck if Romney cares about me or loves me. The simple fact is that he is less likely to impact my pocketbook as much as Obama will over the next four years so I will vote for him.

 

[Blue]

You view things like an emotional liberal and think other people must think (or maybe feel is the more appropriate term) the same way. I could give a flying fuck if Romney cares about me or loves me. The simple fact is that he is less likely to impact my pocketbook as much as Obama will over the next four years so I will vote for him.

BINGO! We have a winner. Sorry, no free chicken dinner though....I'm sure you can pay for it.

 

[stu454]

....I'm sure you can pay for it.

:rofl:

Nice.

 

[Devildog01]

You view things like an emotional liberal and think other people must think (or maybe feel is the more appropriate term) the same way. I could give a flying fuck if Romney cares about me or loves me. The simple fact is that he is less likely to impact my pocketbook as much as Obama will over the next four years so I will vote for him.

Stop being such a fucking pussy.Say what you really mean.You want the communist democrat nigger out of office and the wealthy white republican voted in.Just type the truth and it will set you free.

 

[Blue]

Stop being such a fucking pussy.Say what you really mean.You want the communist democrat nigger out of office and the wealthy white republican voted in.Just type the truth and it will set you free.

Well someone just showed their true colors. Let me guess, you've had a few drinks and you're telling us your inner thoughts.

 

[Devildog01]

Well someone just showed their true colors. Let me guess, you've had a few drinks and you're telling us your inner thoughts.

Well if my true colors are being honest and speaking my mind then yes.Having a couple drinks,not yet but I'm working on it.If you want me to retract my earlier post or to apologize for what I said you can go fuck youself.If they were inner thoughts I would not have posted them.Freedom of speech,yea I spent 4 years serving my country in the USMC and I have earned that rite.Don't be so quick to strike down that freedom with which you so easily use at your discretion.

 

[kennith]

If you want to get technical, freedom of speech is one of many rights we discarded in exchange for the privilege of wearing a uniform.

We are limited in that respect at times, even long after service.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Blue]

Well if my true colors are being honest and speaking my mind then yes.Having a couple drinks,not yet but I'm working on it.If you want me to retract my earlier post or to apologize for what I said you can go fuck youself.If they were inner thoughts I would not have posted them.Freedom of speech,yea I spent 4 years serving my country in the USMC and I have earned that rite.Don't be so quick to strike down that freedom with which you so easily use at your discretion.

Oh it's nothing personal, I just think you sound like a moron.