PHOTOS-one heavily "bashed" but still dent free LR3....

Ho

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so, was it hard? or was it a blast?

i remember that rock garden. i had a group of STOCKERS going thru that same trail sometime ago. it wasn't really a rock garden. it was more like a pebble garden. we all made it without much fuss.

the only point i am trying to make is, either your rock sliders or driving skills, whichever you like, aren't proven yet.
 
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Ho said:
so, was it hard? or was it a blast?

i remember that rock garden. i had a group of STOCKERS going thru that same trail sometime ago. it wasn't really a rock garden. it was more like a pebble garden. we all made it without much fuss.

the only point i am trying to make is, either your rock sliders or driving skills, whichever you like, aren't proven yet.


Or option three the terain has changed since you have been there "sometime ago"
 
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Or option three the terain has changed since you have been there "sometime ago"


Pretty sure that was "low rated" trail on the map back in August. Ho was there then, too. Pretty sure there were some guided tours through that area/trail involving near stock trucks.
 

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i am confused...so is nwoods part of roverspecialties....because he keeps referring to the sliders as "our" "we".....if not then i would be pretty pissed if i was RS because this dude is giving you guys a bad rap. Dan
 

kellymoe

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The Rasta sliders look like they would only protect the sill and leave the door pretty exposed. Is this true? They look pretty though.
 

umbertob

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Ho said:
so, was it hard? or was it a blast?

i remember that rock garden. i had a group of STOCKERS going thru that same trail sometime ago. it wasn't really a rock garden. it was more like a pebble garden. we all made it without much fuss.

the only point i am trying to make is, either your rock sliders or driving skills, whichever you like, aren't proven yet.
Since when are "hard" and "a blast" mutually exclusive? Was it scary, s*it-in-your-pants hard? No, of course not. I wouldn't have gone through it otherwise. It was challenging for sure, but great fun. I also went in August and the regular "Jeepers" we crossed on the trail were actually impressed at how well our minimally equipped mall cruisers did. The "pebbles" (don't know which beach you have been on, but those don't look like pebbles to me) were especially fun, the real big pebbles in particular! You know, the ones that look like rocks? ;) We made it though w/ zero fuss, although we definitely picked the easier lines in both rock gardens, but even then I wouldn't want to take on that trail without decent tires and at least some underbody protection. However, if you feel like your stock Land Rover w/ 19" slicks and no undercarriage anything is going to be fine, by all means go for it! It ain't my car. It is definitely a beautiful trail and a great way to spend a 1/2 day in Big Bear.

Regarding your last "point", I find that to be a bit pretentious, since you don't know me from Adam. The sliders have proven themselves to me quite a few times already, and that's all that matters. Lots of people see them sitting on a table at some event, or in a picture, and immediately decide they aren't any good. If you have some more capable - cheaper would be nice - alternatives for the Range Rover Sport (something available now, not "coming soon"), please speak up. It's too late for me, but there are other owners looking to fit their RRS, and there doesn't seem to be a ton of choices out there.
 
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GregH

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Or option three the terain has changed since you have been there "sometime ago"

I've done Holcomb Creek (3N93) at least 12 times over the years and it has changed very little since my first time in 1992. That was in my completely stock '89 RRC with no lift and street tires (XM244's). I had no protection and suffered no damage.

In 2004, I recall watching a 70 yr. old+ gentleman and his wife drive through the more difficult "rock garden" on 3N93 in a completely stock Suzuki Sidekick (with whitewall street tires!). He completed Holcomb Creek trail with no damage that I could see.
 
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GregH said:
I've done Holcomb Creek (3N93) at least 12 times over the years and it has changed very little since my first time in 1992. That was in my completely stock '89 RRC with no lift and street tires (XM244's). I had no protection and suffered no damage.

In 2004, I recall watching a 70 yr. old+ gentleman and his wife drive through the more difficult "rock garden" on 3N93 in a completely stock Suzuki Sidekick (with whitewall street tires!). He completed Holcomb Creek trail with no damage that I could see.


LMAO!!!!!! I'm marking this trail in the "not worth it" category. Sounds like some Steve Young type trails to me...
 

GregH

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I bet Ho remembers the old geezer in the Suzuki.

Despite the optimistic USFS "Black diamond" rating, any decent driver can take many stock vehicles (RRC, D1, D2 or even RR3) through Holcomb Creek. If they're careful, without damage.

Vehicles with low-hanging plastic would be at risk. I probably wouldn't try a Freelander.

Here's a few pics of the trail:

http://myjeeprocks.com/reports/category/big-bear/holcomb-creek-3n93/#

It would be an interesting trip in the snow though.
 

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Roverdoc said:
i am confused...so is nwoods part of roverspecialties....because he keeps referring to the sliders as "our" "we".....if not then i would be pretty pissed if i was RS because this dude is giving you guys a bad rap. Dan

For those playing along at home, this is what I posted in this same thread not too long ago:

"I don't mfr the sliders. I was the motivator behind getting them made, I helped prototype them, and I have done most of the testing over the past year. But they are made by the talented guys at RoverSpecialites in Minnesota, and distributed by OffRoving.com"...and then:
"I am part of the distribution process with OffRoving.com, I am part of the We."
 

nwoods

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D Chapman said:
I think you guys all miss th point here. The Rasta stuff is junk, basically. It's a supper nice fit making it a clean product. But, it serves a minimal purpose. Better than nothing, sure. But still junk.

I never said they were junk, I just said they were not as protective as the RoverSpecialites sliders.

D Chapman said:
The Nathan Woods off-rovering rover specialties hack jobs are junk, too. The slider looks totally out of place. You guys like to justify it because it protects and keep keep you off rocks.
I think they look pretty good aesthetically, but to each his own. And, yeah I particularly like them because they work. You have to remember that the LR3 doesn't have the ground clearance it could really use, so the increased protection qualities are of great value to those few of us who use these trucks on the trail. As Umberto has said, the lack of worthy alternatives increases their appeal.

D Chapman said:
1) The skid place it a scoop for all kids of goodies. Mud being the biggest pain in the ass. Mud and shell and rock are all going to get caught up on top of this pile of shit.
Snow and Mud accumulation and removal was given ample consideration in the design & testing process. There are cleanouts along the bottom of the plating and spray points for a power washer for this reason.

D Chapman said:
Also, it adds a PILE of weight to the already soft airbags. Combine the skid plate to your new front bumper, winch, gas tank skid, rear bumper and oversize spare tire and the air shocks are going to start going out......watch and see, it's getting close to time for this stuff to start happening. In addition, the air pump is now working harder to float your extra heavy tank down Rt. 66. It's going to burn up, blow lines, or catch on fire.....watch and see with time.
Possibly. But you are comparing these 100 pound sliders to the Rasta's which probably weigh 45-50 pounds installed, verses perhaps some new third alternative that is likely to be from steel and I would guess weighs at least 75 pounds or so. We are not talking about an excessive amount of weight. Simple option packages on the vehicle contribute far more than that. Heck, my personal body size contributes more than that compared to you!

D Chapman said:
2) You're connecting the body to the frame. Horrible idea. Vibrations are now being transfered through the truck making your new $50k ride sound like a D2.
Vibration conductance has actually not been an issue or complaint from ANY of our customers. Since you have never ridden in an LR3 with this product installed, your opinion is pure conjecture, and wrong. I won't say there is zero conductance, but any amount that there may be is inconsequential to the point of being unnoticeable. Simply putting on AT tires has a FAR more pronounced impact on road manners than these sliders.

D Chapman said:
3) Accessing the air pump. Self explanatory.
Protecting the pump, with removable plating....self explanatory.
Also, this design was not committed to until LR fixed the inital compressor issues. The amount of access needed for the compressors has been substantially reduced, and it's short work with a nut driver & socket set to unbolt these.

D Chapman said:
4) Besides the fact your laying a 5k+ pound truck onto a 1/4" thick piece of tube and expecting it not to dent, warp, or flex out of shape; you're adding leverage to the whole still area. Look at the cut away pic! What's there to give support to the slider if the truck is cramming the sill proctor into the side of the truck????? The two bolts on the back side of the skid plate???
Are you talking about the Rasta sill plates again? The RoverSpecialties rock sliders are designed differently from this.

D Chapman said:
5) Over all build quality. The things look like an 8th grade shop class welded them up. I'm not saying the welds are going to break, but I have to question the ability of the builders. These things are over $1200.00!!!! That's fucked up in it's self. It's a simple bend, come Lazar cutting, and assembly. TOPS these guys have 400.00 in materials after CNC machine time.
Well, in regards to the LR3 and RRS, there is nothing to compare them to, so I can't compare the build quality to another product. I think the product is extremely well made and proven to be durable. I know that there is far more material and labor cost into these products than what you have grossly underestimated.

D Chapman said:
A better design is coming at a cost below half of what these clowns charge.
That's AWESOME! I wholeheartedly welcome more products and options for the LR3.
 
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nwoods said:
I think they look pretty good aesthetically, but to each his own. And, yeah I particularly like them because they work. You have to remember that the LR3 doesn't have the ground clearance it could really use, so the increased protection qualities are of great value to those few of us who use these trucks on the trail. As Umberto has said, the lack of worthy alternatives increases their appeal..

"But to each their own".......at least you got one thing right, T.C.

nwoods said:
Snow and Mud accumulation and removal was given ample consideration in the design & testing process. There are clean outs along the bottom of the plating and spray points for a power washer for this reason..

You've added several small slits in the skid.....That's not going to cut it. You have a very large surface area. Clumped mud, shell, twigs, and other crap will become trapped. Pressure washer or not, that stuff is not coming out with any ease.


nwoods said:
Possibly. But you are comparing these 100 pound sliders to the Rasta's which probably weigh 45-50 pounds installed, verses perhaps some new third alternative that is likely to be from steel and I would guess weighs at least 75 pounds or so. We are not talking about an excessive amount of weight. Simple option packages on the vehicle contribute far more than that. Heck, my personal body size contributes more than that compared to you!

100lbs??? Each or together?


nwoods said:
Vibration conductance has actually not been an issue or complaint from ANY of our customers. Since you have never ridden in an LR3 with this product installed, your opinion is pure conjecture, and wrong. I won't say there is zero conductance, but any amount that there may be is inconsequential to the point of being unnoticeable. Simply putting on AT tires has a FAR more pronounced impact on road manners than these sliders..

It doesn't matter if it's a Jeep, D1, D2, or D3.......it's a horrible idea.


nwoods said:
Protecting the pump, with removable plating....self explanatory.
Also, this design was not committed to until LR fixed the inital compressor issues. The amount of access needed for the compressors has been substantially reduced, and it's short work with a nut driver & socket set to unbolt these..


You have to remove the entire slider.....all 100+ pounds of it. I'm not saying this will be a common occurrence or anything, but it severally complicates things. It doesn't have to be.

nwoods said:
Are you talking about the Rasta sill plates again? .


No


nwoods said:
I think the product is extremely well made and proven to be durable. I know that there is far more material and labor cost into these products than what you have grossly underestimated..

If that's the case, Nathan, you're getting ripped off. The CNC time is very minimal and only runs 40.00hr at the most and a certified welder (which you're obviously are NOT using) is 20.00hr. Your materials are not costing that much money.
 
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Roverdoc

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"I don't mfr the sliders. I was the motivator behind getting them made, I helped prototype them, and I have done most of the testing over the past year. But they are made by the talented guys at RoverSpecialites in Minnesota, and distributed by OffRoving.com"...and then:
"I am part of the distribution process with OffRoving.com, I am part of the We."[/QUOTE]

Your quote sounds like you are an integral member of the team vs some guy who got a company to make him some sliders and now that they are on your rig you claim to be the "tester"

...everyone one of us is a "tester" for the different products we sport...i guess I am going to put on my taxes this year that my other co. is rovertym and that I am a personal tester. Will make a sweet write off.
 

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Your taste and equipment setup on your LR3 is top notch. If I had the budget mine would be it's twin. What is it like sleeping on the roof? Any motion, or unsettling issues? I think any one who is bashing your truck is bitten by the green monster! Enjoy it in good health!

Mike
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2000 Land Rover Discovery II HSE
 

Jupiter Rover

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Does anyone have a pic of an LR3 on real mud terrains? They're always on BFG ats or nitto graps....


I found this pic. Any more?
 

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jwest

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Jupiter Rover said:
Does anyone have a pic of an LR3 on real mud terrains? They're always on BFG ats or nitto graps....


I found this pic. Any more?

Why, are you getting an LR3? You should know you'll be hard pressed to get mt's on the car due to sizes and rim limitations. Best bet without serious mods is v6 which will allow a 17" rim and more tire options or start cutting some steel.

I've wondered if you could simply grind the slight bits off the brake blocs that keep 17's from going right on a v8 build (the "brakes" are larger than v6 models)

some Mt's and the suspension extra lift via shortened rods would really become more capable in deep rutted stuff I'd think.
 

Jupiter Rover

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gordonwh said:
I've got a few more of the same car (as it's mine) - I can post them at one of the photo hosting sites if you want.

Cheers,

Gordon

Yeah that would be great. Just post a link. Thanks.

jwest said:
Why, are you getting an LR3? You should know you'll be hard pressed to get mt's on the car due to sizes and rim limitations. Best bet without serious mods is v6 which will allow a 17" rim and more tire options or start cutting some steel.

I've wondered if you could simply grind the slight bits off the brake blocs that keep 17's from going right on a v8 build (the "brakes" are larger than v6 models)

some Mt's and the suspension extra lift via shortened rods would really become more capable in deep rutted stuff I'd think.

Not anytime soon. Just curious. I like the LR3 a lot. You're right about the very limited tire sizes. I found that there are some M/T tire sizes in rim 18 that are 33" and under and less then 12.5" wide. (Can 33" even fit on a LR3?) BFG KM2 32.6" 12" wide. MTR 275/65 r18 32". Mickey Thompson Baja Radial MTZ 33"x11.5".