raised air intake? What's the point?

[draaronr]

Jack I didn't know you worked for corporate?:rofl:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

for starters im not sure what this field marshall shit is all about, but i can tell you this, i dont know JSQ, nor am i trying to write in accordance to his previous posts. just because we, much like just about everybody else in this thread happen to realize that you are wrong doesnt mean im sucking up. look at your posts man.. your like a whiny little kid. your so stupid that you didnt even notice that i was saying the LR3 is a good vehicle. bottom line. its just not the second coming of the unimog. what you dont see is that your super duper tricky daddy air suspension that can and will lift you over every obstacle, obstacles that will turn every prior rover on its roof [:smilelol: ], is the same air suspension that can leave you on your bumpstops 5 miles from pavement. how is your super machine going to get back to civilization then smart guy? exactly, hooked to a backhoe..

while i can see your perspective, i mean you just dolled out $40k+ for this off-road machine. of course you want to believe its the greatest thing ever to roll out of solihull. but obviously your also a very defensive rock headed moron, who absorbs every bit of marketing ploy as it were fact, and refuses to see what the limitations of your vehicle are.

at least gordon uses his machine and is intelligent enough to acknowledge certain limitations and the fact that this platform is 24 months old, and the true test is longevity. something none of us know just yet.

also, your statement about not having to pick lines, and just being able to drive straight thru in your mean LR3 shows what a tool box clown you really are. a CR-V can run a fire road without picking a line. i think you should post some pics of you hammerin your LR3 where other rovers cant go. that would probably shut everybody up.

Limitations - Hell yea I know it's limiations. After driving my running board DII for the past 4 years and being the short on time guy I am. I need to get some answers fast, so I hired one the best instructors money could buy for 2 days and let him give me the facts about this LR3. I tried to hire JSQ but I have a wife and kids, so his attitude and language prevented me from contracting him. I know my loss!

Field Marshal was the highest ranking officer in the "Nazi" Army! I am a CERTIFIED WHINY POSEUR, BECUASE THATS WHERE I FIT IN HERE...I AM COOL WITH THAT. I am not a hardcore, live for the weekend rover type! A lot of my commentary contains hyperbole to be humorous in order to draw distinctions between points. Picking a line is so such a basic fundamental, it was good one to play with Sean because he brought it up. From his comments he does not seem to have first hand experience with an LR3's cross linked air suspension in how it truly works. In the events, outing, people on the trail that I meet, he fits the prototypical person that comes up to me and wants to check out the LR3. Their comments are always have this under lying theme..."that ain't no true hard core rig"......No kidding! That's not why I am out here with my kids to do the hard core stuff, but alot of them always want to put me in that bucket and dish the rig. I guess some of them just don't like seeing a POSEUR out on THEIR TRAILS.

My other truck is DII with freakin running boards on it because I have family of little ones and love bring them every where I go. Since I bring them on my trips, I had to provide them with a lot of comfort or they would not enjoy what I like to do in my precious spare time.

He'll yes I worry about my air suspension, but I have not read about one failing yet, so I pray it does not happen. Shit breaks, but are you prepared when it does is the question! I dont own a welder, but have a Ham radio, personal locator beacon, 1-800 Land Rover number, and a wide open check book to have somebody haul my POSEUR ass out if it does break. My DII has 140,000 with the rear SLS and I have pushed that bucket to it limits, and it's air bags have not failed me yet (crossing my fingers). When the DII came out I read several stories about the air bags deflating to the bump stops, but have yet to read one yet regarding an LR3. I am always scanning the web looking for that story

Yes I dolled out $40k and I would have dolled out more if I could have found another rig that could do more than an LR3 in stock form. My choices were a Toyotal Land Cruiser, a H2, or the Mercedes G500. The Land Cruiser, it's big but drags more than a DII, the H2 is so wide and not much room at all for my family, and the G500 was with front, center, rear lockers, was intriguing, but to small.

I was very happy that Land Rover came out with the LR3, if they didn't then it was going to be the 2004 DII, but my family was already protesting the lack of room in my current DII, so from my perspective...Hell Yea I love my LR3. For you guys I need to change my license plate to POSEUR!

You know it's not the second coming of the Unimog, but it sure is the SECOND COMING OF THE FORD EXPLORER! atriot:

 

[sean]

gordon the d2 drags ass big time trying it even the rr touched a little. they made this short little coarse right at the limits of the p38's. when rover still claimed the rr could sustain a body angle of 56 degrees. the lr3 will make it the saleman don't trust them nearly as much as the p38's and are too scared to drive one on it, one of them would take the lr3's for awhile.
they did let a hummer try it and he wound up leaning against the fence and light pole a wrecker had to come rescue him.
by the way what is a gymknana course?
oh yea welcome to the thread, it's nice having somebody intelligent to discuss with, it's getting boring pushing the poseurs buttons since he is too slow to realize it, even though he actually said something intelligent "SECOND COMING OF THE FORD EXPLORER" thats really my whole problem with the lr3 it reminds me way to much of a explorerer.
my neighbor and i have already been through this whole lr3 thing he wound up giving it to his dad and we built him a 04 d2 he's much happier now.

 

[PacificGroveRover]

gordon the d2 drags ass big time trying it even the rr touched a little. they made this short little coarse right at the limits of the p38's. when rover still claimed the rr could sustain a body angle of 56 degrees. the lr3 will make it the saleman don't trust them nearly as much as the p38's and are too scared to drive one on it, one of them would take the lr3's for awhile.
they did let a hummer try it and he wound up leaning against the fence and light pole a wrecker had to come rescue him.
by the way what is a gymknana course?
oh yea welcome to the thread, it's nice having somebody intelligent to discuss with, it's getting boring pushing the poseurs buttons since he is too slow to realize it, even though he actually said something intelligent "SECOND COMING OF THE FORD EXPLORER" thats really my whole problem with the lr3 it reminds me way to much of a explorerer.
my neighbor and i have already been through this whole lr3 thing he wound up giving it to his dad and we built him a 04 d2 he's much happier now.

Poseur Question,

The LR3 is rated at 35 degrees continuous side slope and I have personally seen my inclinometer register 31 degrees, which had my family screaming. It's hard to imagine a 4x4 being able to handle a 56 degree side slope. If 35 degrees is a conservative published safe attorney number, then how much difference is there between the published numbers and the true limits?

 

[PacificGroveRover]

gordon the d2 drags ass big time trying it even the rr touched a little. they made this short little coarse right at the limits of the p38's. when rover still claimed the rr could sustain a body angle of 56 degrees. the lr3 will make it the saleman don't trust them nearly as much as the p38's and are too scared to drive one on it, one of them would take the lr3's for awhile.
they did let a hummer try it and he wound up leaning against the fence and light pole a wrecker had to come rescue him.
by the way what is a gymknana course?
oh yea welcome to the thread, it's nice having somebody intelligent to discuss with, it's getting boring pushing the poseurs buttons since he is too slow to realize it, even though he actually said something intelligent "SECOND COMING OF THE FORD EXPLORER" thats really my whole problem with the lr3 it reminds me way to much of a explorerer.
my neighbor and i have already been through this whole lr3 thing he wound up giving it to his dad and we built him a 04 d2 he's much happier now.

Sean, I agree with you on the Explorer thing completely. The dimensions of the two rigs Explorer & LR3 are so damn close you just know some blueprints were being exchanged between Ford and Land Rover.

 

[sean]

body angle not slope angle
they originaly said the p38 could handle a body angle of 56 with a frame angle of 45. then changes it to read 45 max. heres my truck at 47 (could be closer to 45 not sure how accurate the measurement was) and not touching the ground http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=133201435&albumID=0&imageID=1484638470
if the d2 was 35 i would have rolled it numerous times

and before you ask no i did not take that line the bank gave way under me, farther down the trail it happened again and i crushed the right rear quarter panel on a rock

 

[PacificGroveRover]

body angle not slope angle
they originaly said the p38 could handle a body angle of 56 with a frame angle of 45. then changes it to read 45 max. heres my truck at 47 (could be closer to 45 not sure how accurate the measurement was) and not touching the ground http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=133201435&albumID=0&imageID=1484638470
if the d2 was 35 i would have rolled it numerous times

and before you ask no i did not take that line the bank gave way under me, farther down the trail it happened again and i crushed the right rear quarter panel on a rock

Cool I am the on the crackberry so I cannot view until tonight. By the way I am in a rental and its a Ford Explorer! What a piece of %&$##. Thats why I asked, what is the difference between the published ratings and the true limits. I think the DII had a rating of 35 degrees continous slope also. I will check on that one!

 

[sean]

just stick some lr3 badges on it you won't know the difference.

 

[jackp]

Shit breaks, but are you prepared when it does is the question! I dont own a welder, but have a Ham radio, personal locator beacon, 1-800 Land Rover number, and a wide open check book to have somebody haul my POSEUR ass out if it does break.

Point well made.

I don't know PacificGroveRover, but he seems like the kind of guy to buy the first round of drinks for his friends - or whoever hauls his poseur ass out if/when his LR3 craps out. Drives a D2 and an LR3, that's ok with me.

Good reading, reminds me of the 'pre-server crash' era, way back in 2001.

Old school shit right here.

Quick, someone post a Craftsman vs Snap-On question in the LR3 Forum, we just might get John Lee to join the fray! Probably not though, as there are yet no cheap f%*ks here, although the duct tape over the air intake is getting there...

Flame on.

 

[justinhaaga]

wheeling in moab in a 2007 LR3/D3

bump,bump, crrrank,smash, ching ching,ching.

driver "WTF is that?"
passenger "I think you brokerd it"
driver "NO WAY! My mom is going to kill me"
passenger "floor it man!"
driver "OK"
clangclangboomchangchange <engine dies>
driver "OMG NOO. OH DON'T WORRY, OPEN THE GLOVE BOX"
passenger "OK" pops open the glove box "here dude have the last cold one"
driver "FUCK YOU IDIOT GET THE MANUAL"
passenger "ohh ok, here"
driver "OK LETS SEE HERE..." looking at appendix
driver "AHHAH! Car does not start... check gas, ok 1/2 check. check battery, umm what's that?"
passenger "call the help line man"
driver "FUCK, DO WE HAVE CELL RECEPTION??"
passenger "umm, yes, yes!! we do!!"
driver "ok, number.. 1-8-0-0-LANDROVER"
ring ring ring
operator "thanks for calling LRNA how can I help you?"
driver "Hi, my name is john and my LR3 is making a clank sound and won't start"
operator "ok, no problem sir, please remain calm and give me your location"
driver whispers to passenger "hey man lookup the LOC and trail we are on"
driver "okok, MOAB, UTAH GEMINI BRIDGE 2 1/2 rated LOC..."
operator "Sir, excuse me? What address in moab, utah"?
driver "yesyes, ok LOC 20030@12001@LAT 01"
operator "Sir, that is not an address.... where are you sir?"
driver "in moab, utah on Gemini Bridge, we are doing a safari"
operator "Um, excuse me, but are you 'offroading'?"
driver "We sure are! and we are broke!"
operator "Oh well, i'm sorry sir, your warrenty is now void and we cannot help you, thanks for buying from LRNA" click

 

[justinhaaga]

what, no one like my story?

they made it home, a D1 came and winch them out to the road.

 

[benlittle]

what, no one like my story?

they made it home, a D1 came and winch them out to the road.

I thought it was rather exciting Justin

 

[gordonwh]

Sean,

Apologies for not repsonding earlier - it was the long weekend holiday over here so we headed down south to the wine region to get away from the 40degC + temps we've been having here!

The 'gymknanas' are traditionally inter-club competitions. You have to be a member of a state-sanctioned club to compete. They normally run for one or two days, each being a morning and afternoon of competition, and are not 'timed' events, but obstacles. Actually the first one last year was an overnight comp, with no lights. Made for a rather interesting night out.


Cheers,

Gordon

 

[MUSKYMAN]

I grew up in Michigan were there are more trails than roads, and everybody had a "boonie car". Mine was a old Subaru 4 cylinder, 4 speed, 4 door , 4wd wagon thingie. My buddy and I took off the body, he fabbed up a roll cage, scrounged a racing fuel cell from somewhere and 5 point harnesses. We used to do our own autocross events with a stopwatch and detailed notes and stuff. He had like 10,000 acres with fields, hills, woods, swamps, and dunes. It was great.

!

I have stayed outa this thread because no matter what the electronics of a LR3 can do I know where stamped steel suspension trucks end up after they get used off-road

but I have to ask one question...how do you remove the body on a uni-body car?

 

[derekdilks]

I have stayed outa this thread because no matter what the electronics of a LR3 can do I know where stamped steel suspension trucks end up after they get used off-road

but I have to ask one question...how do you remove the body on a uni-body car?

Uni-body? Aint no stinkin uni-body.. this thing has a solid frame, no axles, but at least a frame...

 

[gil stevens]

the T5 is pretty stout.. the MKIII range is still uni-body

edit: you meant the subaru is unibody.. good question

 

[MUSKYMAN]

Uni-body? Aint no stinkin uni-body.. this thing has a solid frame, no axles, but at least a frame...

thats funny I come from a subaru family...I dont remember a 4 dr wagon with a full frame?

 

[derekdilks]

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-11-04-lr3_x.htm

OK so it apparently has BOTH "unibody" contruction on a "frame"

"LR3 is a car-like unibody but mounted on a truck-style frame. Normally it's one or the other, unibody or frame, not both. A unibody is a way to achieve tight, precise, rattle-free construction. A separate frame is a way to preserve off-road ruggedness and high towing and hauling capacities."

 

[nwoods]

I have stayed outa this thread because no matter what the electronics of a LR3 can do I know where stamped steel suspension trucks end up after they get used off-road

but I have to ask one question...how do you remove the body on a uni-body car?

ON the Subaru, we removed the doors, hood, tailgate, and I think the front fenders too. Basically, there was not much sheet metal left on the car.

 

[byronAU]

ON the Subaru, we removed the doors, hood, tailgate, and I think the front fenders too. Basically, there was not much sheet metal left on the car.

Shit man.......you've been readin' this all along........after you told us all you were goin....and, an, n......n never, ever comin' back..........you can't just do that - I'm gonna tell my Mom!