Seattle 5-oh punches woman for jay-walking

[SCSL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9w9AfptGGQ&feature=player_embedded

What a great police state we are creating. These types of things come out virtually every day now. Hey, anything goes in the name of "public safety".

We've fundamentally changed our society in the name of the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror". Now maybe we can take it to the next level in the name of the "War on Jay Walking". But hey, what's a few busted lips when it comes to "officer safety", right?

What a travesty we've made of what we've inherited.

 

[pdxrovermech]

maybe she shouldnt have pushed the police officer? Seriously whats wrong with just standing there and saying yes sir, no sir, and without any attitude? Would you prefer he wrestle her to the ground and press her face into the concrete?

 

[knewsom]

maybe she shouldnt have pushed the police officer? Seriously whats wrong with just standing there and saying yes sir, no sir, and without any attitude? Would you prefer he wrestle her to the ground and press her face into the concrete?

That would've been way better than what he did... seriously, how did he have trouble cuffing that lady!?

 

[SCSL]

maybe she shouldnt have pushed the police officer? Seriously whats wrong with just standing there and saying yes sir, no sir, and without any attitude? Would you prefer he wrestle her to the ground and press her face into the concrete?

This is a typical statist response. Lost is the context of the "crime". And in this answer lies the key to the police state: that we ignore the original context and consider the tensing up of an arm or the pulling away from an "officer" to be a unique singularity, regardless of whether the original event was jay-walking or arson.

What would I prefer? That there was no "officer" there at all. Second most preferable would be that he didn't have time to worry about jay walking because he was too busy fighting and preventing crimes against life, liberty or property.

Regardless of the whether this took place in the ghetto or in the suburbs, if this doesn't make you sick, there's something deeply wrong with our society.

We have trained generations of police (and citizens) to think this is ok.

 

[J. Toronado]

that cop has no skills. where's the taser?

 

[pdxrovermech]

i agree he should have just moved on in the first place and he probably wouldnt have even bothered with the jaywalker if it was a well dressed white person, but I still dont understand why people feel they can treat officers like they are children.

 

[roverover]

I agree 100% He didn't hit her for j walking he protected himself from an attack. I don't know what I would have done with that screaming bitch and her freakish friend going on like that. I think he showed a great deal of patience I know i would have reacted sooner and probably harsher. Being a cop is a tough job and they shouldn't have to put up with shit like that

 

[SCSL]

i agree he should have just moved on in the first place and he probably wouldnt have even bothered with the jaywalker if it was a well dressed white person, but I still dont understand why people feel they can treat officers like they are children.

Could it be because "officers" treat citizens like we are children?

Two centuries into our existence, we have created tens of millions of pages of legal code, all of which must be enforced by agents of the state. When is enough enough? We need a roll-back. But the 'public safety' lobby and its unions are too powerful - there is too much momentum. We are approaching critical mass.

 

[wiscodisco]

Maybe a little bit of weight training is in order for that cop. If I were resisting arrest, or interfering with an arrest, I would fully expect to get hurt in the process, but this could have been avoided had the cop been in a little bit better shape.

If he had this much trouble putting cuffs on a smallish woman how can he be expected to apprehend a normal sized man?

I think a 6 month weight training regiment should be in order before he gets to go back on the streets...

 

[roverover]

So as long as we are not committing a crime against life or liberty we should be able to do what we want?

 

[SCSL]

I agree 100% He didn't hit her for j walking he protected himself from an attack.

"Attack"? C'mon man. What started this was his decision to interrupt her freedom and detain her for crossing a street. This is counter-evolutionary, counter-intuitive, stupid, and tax-payers ended up paying for it --- as they will end up paying for the settlement.

Being a cop is a tough job and they shouldn't have to put up with shit like that

It's going to get a lot tougher as our voluminous legal code continues to wall citizens in. Government can create only one thing: criminals. And we add new potential "criminals" to the rolls every single day our legislative branches are in session.

 

[SCSL]

So as long as we are not committing a crime against life or liberty we should be able to do what we want?

Of course. Why does that bother you? The alternative is that the state determines what actions we may or may not take, ie: our current state of affairs. From citizens to subjects.

 

[pdxrovermech]

and what are you doing to better our current state of affairs?

 

[SCSL]

and what are you doing to better our current state of affairs?

I do not believe there is a "bettering" of our current state. We are fast along the road to a fundamental transformation in our society and the ideals upon which it was founded. Americans no longer fear government, nor do they look upon it with suspicion and animosity. As such, there is nothing to stop its continued growth in scope and scale. Where we once had freedom, we now have creeping statism.

 

[pdxrovermech]

so you're ok with just standing a around and watching women get punched by cops?
Well to be fair you did take the time to post it on a forum that largely wont care.

 

[SCSL]

so you're ok with just standing a around and watching women get punched by cops?

I'm not sure how you made the leap to what I would do if I was there, but I would suggest your debating skills leave much to be desired.

 

[SCSL]

PD, ex-Rover mechanic: are you former LEO?

 

[knewsom]

so you're ok with just standing a around and watching women get punched by cops?
Well to be fair you did take the time to post it on a forum that largely wont care.

:rofl:

 

[kennith]

He was surrounded, being heckled, and being videotaped. A bunch of people were yelling. She was resisting whatever he was trying to detain her for. Her cousin assaulted him during the execution of his duties.

I don't care if that bitch was buying a candy cane. All those hecklers with those expensive phones were aggravating the situation, and it looks to me like she had it coming. He shouldn't have hit her, but without a partner, there was no way that guy was going to detain her.

We don't know if backup was on the way or not, and I didn't see what happened before the video began.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[pdxrovermech]

PD, ex-Rover mechanic: are you former LEO?

are you implying you are going to put me out of business? Yes I lack debating skills, but it is obvious your opinions on this topic are as equally as dead set as mine so any further discussion would just be trolling.