Seattle 5-oh punches woman for jay-walking
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I am surprissed he did not punch her sooner, and the one resisting the arrest did not get throat locked on the ground, I mean , don't all LEO get basic Martial Art trainning?
I think that cops have too much power these days, but I also think they have a really shitty job sometimes. I respect them, and a lot of my peers do, but sometimes Cops have a bad rep for a reason. He should not have hit her, and it should not have taken that long to detain the other.
SCSL --
I think he probably could have gone about it in a different way, but unlike you, I wasn't there, so I wouldn't know.
By the way, in a direct counter to what you said, she had NO RIGHT to jay walk. It is illegal for a reason. People keep getting run over! Cars keep crashing into each other when people run out into the street. She should have been at least reprimanded for it -- if not, as in Portland, given a $500+ ticket. It's not just her life she is putting in jeopardy when she does that.
I get the idea you are talking about in general -- there are way too many laws. But that doesn't mean the man on the beat is the bad-guy, it's the politicians.
I think he probably could have gone about it in a different way, but unlike you, I wasn't there, so I wouldn't know.
By the way, in a direct counter to what you said, she had NO RIGHT to jay walk. It is illegal for a reason. People keep getting run over! Cars keep crashing into each other when people run out into the street. She should have been at least reprimanded for it -- if not, as in Portland, given a $500+ ticket. It's not just her life she is putting in jeopardy when she does that.
I get the idea you are talking about in general -- there are way too many laws. But that doesn't mean the man on the beat is the bad-guy, it's the politicians.
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RBBailey said:
If the criteria for discussing a given situation was having been there at the moment it took place, we would have very few discussions. We would also abandon the study of history.
Implicit in your post is that, absent central planning by the state, our roadways would be in a state of constant chaos and calamity. Do we have evidence for this? Or do we assume that the central management, regulation and enforcement by a group of overlords or wise men is the only thing that saves us from ourselves?
Specifically regarding what you refer to as the "man on the beat", or the agent of the state, this man has chosen a career serving the interests of the state and executes that duty, to a greater or lesser extent, the way all state police forces have executed that duty. The manner of degree is all that's different. However, the degree is not constant - rather, it is always in a state of flux. You place your complete confidence in this agent of the state at the risk of your own peril. Similarly, you assume he serves your interests at your own peril. While individual agents of the state may decide to serve the interests of private citizens, and this is honorable, the reality is that police represent the interests of the state.
jeez.
Would it have been such a huge huge problem to say"Hey! Use the crosswalk!"
and then just be done with it.
i don't know if the "criminal" would have escalated the situation from there, but ... really?
jeez.
Would it have been such a huge huge problem to say"Hey! Use the crosswalk!"
and then just be done with it.
i don't know if the "criminal" would have escalated the situation from there, but ... really?
jeez.
SCSL, are you bitter about a speeding ticket or something? I don't see what was wrong with the officers actions. He should have had her under control a little faster, but he didn't cross any line. You have to get people under control in that situation. You have to go harder than the other person in order to win. It's a dangerous situation when you have two people on you at once. What if that other female had pulled his gun out of his holster while he was dealing with the other? What if two or three other people in the crowd figured they would jump in too? Should he have stood there and allowed the women to treat him like that?
I have had a women do something similiar with a speeding ticket. She refused to sign. I explained to her that if she didnt sign I would have to arrest her and take her in front of the magistrate. She said fuck you I ain't signing. OK your under arrest. The fight was on. In the end she had a $2500 bond because she told the magistrate to go fuck herself, a charge of resisting arrest, and still had the speeding ticket for 16 mph over the limit at $5 for each mile. All she had to do was sign the ticket and if she really thought she wasn't speeding then tell the judge. Now i'm the asshole white cop who arrested her for no reason that she tells all her friends about. When people disagree with me am I supposed to just say ok and walk the other direction? or am I supposed to enforce the law?
This Police state you are talking about is just civilized society. Its the way it has to be to keep us from turning New York City into Mogadishu. The problem these days is that to many people think the rules don't apply to them. They think that they can do what ever they want and damn the person that stands in their way.
If anyone would like to get the real picture of society that I see everyday then I can email you a ride along from and you can come and see for youself. Seriously I invite anyone who wants to come. I'm in Charlottesville.
I have had a women do something similiar with a speeding ticket. She refused to sign. I explained to her that if she didnt sign I would have to arrest her and take her in front of the magistrate. She said fuck you I ain't signing. OK your under arrest. The fight was on. In the end she had a $2500 bond because she told the magistrate to go fuck herself, a charge of resisting arrest, and still had the speeding ticket for 16 mph over the limit at $5 for each mile. All she had to do was sign the ticket and if she really thought she wasn't speeding then tell the judge. Now i'm the asshole white cop who arrested her for no reason that she tells all her friends about. When people disagree with me am I supposed to just say ok and walk the other direction? or am I supposed to enforce the law?
This Police state you are talking about is just civilized society. Its the way it has to be to keep us from turning New York City into Mogadishu. The problem these days is that to many people think the rules don't apply to them. They think that they can do what ever they want and damn the person that stands in their way.
If anyone would like to get the real picture of society that I see everyday then I can email you a ride along from and you can come and see for youself. Seriously I invite anyone who wants to come. I'm in Charlottesville.
SCSL...You are kidding right??
You wrote a lot of words but didn't say a lot but it seems you would like to see a dis assembly of all urban planning and organization and just let everyone do what they want when they want without consequence
I don't know a lot about rural CO but in any city I've ever been in without things like signal lights and someone to enforce the meaning of them I think it would get bad/worse really fast
But power to the people:victory:
You wrote a lot of words but didn't say a lot but it seems you would like to see a dis assembly of all urban planning and organization and just let everyone do what they want when they want without consequence
I don't know a lot about rural CO but in any city I've ever been in without things like signal lights and someone to enforce the meaning of them I think it would get bad/worse really fast
But power to the people:victory:
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It's what society has come to, get used to it. As long as there are crack heads, meth faces, PCP pedophiles, child abusers, and wife beaters the cops will be more attentive. I'm willing to bet that woman was drunk as a skunk and the officer feared for her safety after he witnessed her knee-walking drunk cross the roa---ad. It's what society has come to and the police MUST adjust to keep the peace. Every now and then you'll have a bad apple but for the most part I feel pretty fucking warm and fuzzy inside about my personal safety. Carry on.
SCSL said:
Where in the world are you drawing from to even think that this would work.....besides Woodstock and that was a mess after the weekend
We are free. I call you crazy for thinking other wise. Have you been to places were there is no government control or organized law enforcement. I have and it's not what I would want for the united states. Mankind can not handle having no rules. Freedom and do what ever you want are very different things.
quick128 said:
atriot: A-men dude. To a certain extent, we are free BECAUSE we are a nation of laws.
Every time I have visitors from Russia they comment on how little law enforcement they see on the streets and yet how few traffic incidents happen.
On the other subject - jaywalking has always been a gauge of a country's character for me.
Excessive jaywalking is a certain sign of lack of respect for the law and each other.
Complete lack of jaywalking is a sign of... being in Germany.
On the other subject - jaywalking has always been a gauge of a country's character for me.
Excessive jaywalking is a certain sign of lack of respect for the law and each other.
Complete lack of jaywalking is a sign of... being in Germany.
Kris, this is plain stupid. Read it loud to yourself.knewsom said: