Still think he was the right choice??

[J. Toronado]

Let's be clear: police can already get any gun trace information, the Tiahrt Amendment prevented frivolous lawsuits against ammunition companies. Guns should not be 'childproofed', children should be 'gunproofed', taught how to safely deal w/ a firearm. The AWB was cosmetic in nature (bayonet lugs and pistol grips).

This is exactly why I voted against Obama, and will continue to rail against his leadership.

You clearly state above that you voted against Obama because he wants guns 'child-proofed'. My error was in thinking gun locks and "child proofed" guns were same thing but Ive since been schooled.

 

[Leslie]

Understood. Yes, two different things.


AND.... I'll even go further..... if their intent was truly to create a gun that was 'safer', I would be okay with that. I'm all for modernization and improvement, where it's an improvement.

That's their cover story, but, their intent, is far more.

Now.... where's my flintlock?

 

[slangel]

He's 2, it's time for a BB gun!

My daughter just turned three and goes to the gun range all the time. I don't want my children to have fear of guns, but respect for them. SHe doesn't have a BB gun yet...., but has a CO2 gun, and promptly along with her brother figured out how to freeze the cat's butt.

 

[MarkP]

. . . The future is ET, that's Energy Technology for you less than ... . . .

Would that include wind power?

 

[D Chapman]

I find the wind power thing comical.

You have the peace-loving-hippies complaining about oil and gas-guzzling SUV's.

Then

You have the peace-loving-hippies fighting to keep windmills off the mountain tops.

Cracks me up.

 

[Steve]

In my case I keep my weapons in a safe and keep my home protection handgun locked and loaded in a biometric safe. If you have small children in the house then I highly recommend a biometric safe.

Very similar here. All ammo is locked up tight, all guns have child locks except for my Glock. I have a biometric safe where I keep the Glock unloaded with one clip of Hydro-shocks. Out of a dead sleep, I can hit the floor armed in 10 seconds or less. That's more than enough time to respond if you have a good perimeter alarm system.

 

[RBBailey]

Your argument is akin to buying stock in Smith Corona for $15 because everyone in 1986 used typewriters instead of a little company called Microsoft for $30.

Could you imagine if we had stuck with typewriters?

I suppose my carrier pigeon with this message would be just over the Santa Monica Mountains in an hour...

The future is ET, that's Energy Technology for you less than ... If the United States misses the boat on that industry there will be a whole lot more problems than what kind of guns you can buy.

Exactly, but the difference is... the government didn't force anyone to buy Microsoft.

 

[brianhoberg]

My daughter just turned three and goes to the gun range all the time. I don't want my children to have fear of guns, but respect for them. SHe doesn't have a BB gun yet...., but has a CO2 gun, and promptly along with her brother figured out how to freeze the cat's butt.

And would that furry victim happen to be the individual pictured in the middle of your avatar?? ANIMAL ABUSE!!!!


Just kidding

 

[bri]

There are plenty of people out there that could give a rats ass about safe guns and children obviously can pull the trigger. Any safety device is no big deal to me ( ignoring stats aside and whether it is mandatory or not ).

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/11/09/america/Child-Charged-Optional.php

 

[slangel]

And would that furry victim happen to be the individual pictured in the middle of your avatar?? ANIMAL ABUSE!!!!


Just kidding

Yes poor Sammy is the brunt of many pranks here. Frozen butt, balloon around the tail, tape over the eyes, soap on the paws, etc...I assure you I showed them none of it...

 

[antichrist]

Education to me far outweighs any "lock". Telling a child - or at least an intelligent child just don't touch it ,it's bad, just makes them more curious. My children being around guns at the gun range, going hunting, etc.. shows them what guns do and along with education they understand the reason not to touch them.

Hence my comment in another thread about gun-proofing kids, not kid-proofing guns. Anyone with kids knows how ingenious they are, they will find a way.
Also, all the locks in the world on your guns won't help your kids if they are at a friend's house and that friend decides to play with a gun he found.

 

[brianhoberg]

Very similar here. All ammo is locked up tight, all guns have child locks except for my Glock. I have a biometric safe where I keep the Glock unloaded with one clip of Hydro-shocks. Out of a dead sleep, I can hit the floor armed in 10 seconds or less. That's more than enough time to respond if you have a good perimeter alarm system.

For my house (my kid is onyl one year old and cant walk..yet), the Ammo is kept in a storage box on a shelf a foot from the ceiling on a shelf. The rifles, shotguns, & other are kept in their zip cases and unloaded, all of them. Glock is kept in my nightstand, loaded clip with Federal hollow-points is kept within arms reach of the nightstand and hidden. Shotgun is kept in the closet unchambered, but loaded.
My kid will not grow up afraid of guns, but knowing how to respect them and leave them alone unless dad or mom says otherwise. My kid will go to the range with me when he is old enough to listen and follow directions and will have a gun of his own that will be with daddy's guns that, again, will not be touched unless daddy is right there with him. Otherwise, his ass gets swatted. worked for me, should work for my kid.

 

[brianhoberg]

Yes poor Sammy is the brunt of many pranks here. Frozen butt, balloon around the tail, tape over the eyes, soap on the paws, etc...I assure you I showed them none of it...

They're just seeing what works and what doesn't, lol.

 

[antichrist]

Exactly, but the difference is... the government didn't force anyone to buy Microsoft.

Not entirely true. By allowing MS to force computer mfg to have to pay a license fee for DOS/Windows whether the customer wanted it or not, the DoJ did in fact force consumers to buy MS products whether they wanted them or not, if they wanted to buy an off the shelf PC.

 

[antichrist]

I think it is interesting that all the Libs complained about Bush's use of Executive Orders in this way, now the first action we hear Obama is going to take is... What do you know? Could it be? Executive Orders!

There's a difference between using an executive order to ban something you oppose because you know you'd never get the votes to legislate it, and using an executive order to undo the former.

 

[apg]

The drilling, that too ignores the current situation. We rely on something like 30% foreign oil, probably more -- so what is so wrong about upholding the oath of office and making sure the interests of the country are best served? I don't seem to remember any oath that compels the president to protect the environment. Is Barack already putting a few weak environmental concerns in front of the economy and the security of the nation? Common sense takes care of the environment, it is not a mandate or a job of the president.

Yeah, right.... Geee, wasn't McCain railing that 70% of 'our' oil comes from foreign sources, and ones not too friendly with us? But you are correct on this...40% comes from Canada and Mexico. Only 30% or so come from "foreign" sources.

My greatest fear is that the lamest-of-all-ducks Bush administration would have time for one more colossal FUBAR, one more immense screw-up, one more stain on what is already a very feeble, historic "legacy." Well, it has happened: The Bush administration is rushing forward with plans to mine uranium in the immediate vicinity of the Grand Canyon for uranium, ignoring a directive from Congress to cease such operations. Mining interests - mostly foreign mining interests - have staked out over 800 uranium claims within five miles of Grand Canyon National Park, including 39 sites on Forest Service lands near the south rim.

The approvals were granted to VANE Minerals, a British firm, highlighting the vulnerability of even the most hallowed places to the demand for minerals made possible by the Mining Law of 1872 - an antiquated document that legitimizes the theft of public assets. To make matters worse, the Forest Service - administered by Bush stooges - specifically excluded these projects from public and/or environmental review under the National Environmental Policy Act. (Secrecy is the first refuge of the incompetent - or the illegal.) Overall the number of claims across the southwest increased 80 percent between 2003 and 2007 from about 200,000 to more than 375,000.

Under current law, this explosion of mining claims presents a real threat to national parks and public places across the west. Documents approved a year ago by the Forest Service and obtained by the Grand Canyon Trust, describe the situation in stark terms:

"The 1872 Mining Law specifically authorizes the taking of valuable mineral commodities from Public Domain Lands."

So drilling/exploration/mining is A-OK in national parks.... Ummm, let's see? Who drinks from the Colorado? Phoenix? LA? Get used to that funny, metallic ?taste' guys....

The House of Representatives passed a mining reform bill last fall that would empower the Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management to prevent mining near places such as the Grand Canyon. If the Senate and president fail to act, taxpayers and federal land managers may face the same situation as in 1996 when the federal government paid $65 million to buy out patented claims just three miles from Yellowstone National Park that would have been the site of a major gold mine, located at the headwaters of three streams that flow into the park. Cyanide-acid leaching does such wonders for water quality....

No doubt the Bush administration will use the guise of "foreign energy independence" to sell the mining rights to foreign interests - at pennies on the dollar. The trouble is, what is thought to be the largest deposit of uranium in the United States - indeed, the entire western hemisphere - is in Pittsylvania County *Virginia* . That ore, when refined, could supply all of the country's nuclear power plants for years.

 

[Steve]

Yes poor Sammy is the brunt of many pranks here.

Our cat, also black and white, is named Sammy too. He's gone semi-feral on us though and prefers to be outside 95% of the time, escaping the wrath of childish pranks.

 

[slangel]

Our cat, also black and white, is named Sammy too. He's gone semi-feral on us though and prefers to be outside 95% of the time, escaping the wrath of childish pranks.

That is so funny - ours has done the same. But he loves the kids so much that as soon as the bus comes he shows up and comes inside. He has become such an outside cat that he cries at the door to go out to potty.

 

[Eric N.]

I was that guy.

Now its your turn to complain everyday during Obama's presidency. You will be "that guy" for the next year if he makes it that long without a bullet in his head.

Fixed it for you.. I'm sure he's on the short list of every nut job looking to get famous. Is there a Grassy Knoll near the white house? So where does Biden stand on these issues?

Edit: Count me in as another person that will be bitching every time that Barack "the shit bag" Obama does some thing that I don't like.

 

[brianhoberg]

Oh Christ, here we go again...:banghead:

It's not the "I'm watching Obama to f&ck up" stance that I am commenting on. I believe every person in America has a right to critique whether they agree or disagree with the administration.

But, we have moved on from Obama being a candidate to the President Elect...aren't there laws against talking about assassination and Obama in the same context?