Storm prepairedness

az_max

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For those of you that stayed (especially NY/NJ area):

What did you stockpile ahead of time in the way of fuel and food?

How long are your gas/battery supplies lasting?

What will you change for the next storm? (hurricane or blizzard)

how was preparing for this storm different than other storms you've encountered in your area?


Due to the weather/terrain around here, my primary emergency kit is (hopefully) enough to get me to the parent's cabin in the high country. I have equipment to hold me over in a 1-2 day localized power outage, but nothing like a hurricane or tropical storm. I'd like to get your guys real-world info to compare to local/state/federal guidelines (especially our own recommendations).

:seeya:
 

mjbrox

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az_max said:
For those of you that stayed (especially NY/NJ area):

What did you stockpile ahead of time in the way of fuel and food?

How long are your gas/battery supplies lasting?

What will you change for the next storm? (hurricane or blizzard)

how was preparing for this storm different than other storms you've encountered in your area?


Due to the weather/terrain around here, my primary emergency kit is (hopefully) enough to get me to the parent's cabin in the high country. I have equipment to hold me over in a 1-2 day localized power outage, but nothing like a hurricane or tropical storm. I'd like to get your guys real-world info to compare to local/state/federal guidelines (especially our own recommendations).

:seeya:

buy a gun and use it to steel other peoples shit.

In all seriousness, if your emergency plan involves going to the gas station to get gas, then you need to re evaluate.

on that note, due to mpg I would never chose my Land Rover as my escape vehical. I would probibly just use my Acua MDX. Better MPG and I can still drive over some small stuff.
 

apg

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In that vein, I purchased an 8.5kw, Honda, tri-fuel generator from Northern right after Isabel when we lost power for two weeks. It'll run on petrol, propane or natural gas, as gas is the last utility we lose around here. Fire up on petrol, switch over to gas and no refueling from then on.

With 'oxygenated' additives and alcohol in gasoline, it doesn't have much of a shelf-life. You can't stockpile the stuff in jerry cans: ya gotta use it. Liquified propane will last almost forever, but there is the considerable bother of the pressure tanks. A big(er) genset will go though a gallon of propane and the better part of a gallon of gasoline in an hour. A tri-fuel generator gives you more options.
 

Ed Cheung

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Not that I had the real world experience, but if I were in a situation like this, I will properly make sure I had enough gas to get me to the next town that is far enough to be safe and not damage by the storm, so access to food and stuff is not a problem there and book myself into an hotel for a few days. So it depends how the path of the storm is moving on the map. But if you really need to stay on your property, that is another story, if I had a basement, I will properly have enough supplies for a week, and and a generator ...sandbags and water pump in case of flooding..well properly the pump is not going to do much if the basement get flooded.
 

kennith

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You can just watch television to see what doesn't work. I'm not up there, but I've dealt with my share of undesirable scenarios.

1: You need fuel.

Fuel, fuel, fuel, FUEL! Damn, go buy some fucking fuel. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Keep it around, or buy it when you first hear a storm might be coming. I've got a large stock at all times. No matter what happens down here, I can sit on my ass and relax.

2: Common sense.

Common sense ain't that common. If you don't have any, pay someone who does. I will provide it for $1,000 a day.

3: Water.

I'm so sick and damned tired of hearing about water quality, when a camp filter can be had for fifty bucks, purification tablets can be had for less, and fire can be made for free. Any one of those things is almost always enough to get you by. If not, combine two of them.

One thing that's never in short supply during a storm is water. Buy some Gatoraid mix to make water more useful.

3: Electricity.

Unless you rely on an electrical medical device to survive, you don't need it. It will come back eventually.

4: Food.

Unless you have an Engel and FUEL, or a very good cooler, leave the damned milk on the shelf. It's a waste of space. Organic milk lasts much longer, if you just have to have it.

Bread doesn't last long without isolation, either, unless you get the real stuff. Hint: Sunbeam doesn't count. Eggs can go for months, but only if they were built from bugs and just fell out of a chicken's ass.

Those shit eggs on the shelf spoil quickly. What you need is...

RICE, and anything else of the sort. Porridge, pasta, whatever. I go with rice. Half the damned world lives on it just fine. You don't need much, either. It gets bigger when boiled or fried, and it doesn't take much to fill you up. If you bought those good eggs, fry them up with the rice once or twice a week.

Rice is like stone soup. If you find something nice, cook it in rice. By itself it's boring, but nearly anything edible can be added to make it more interesting. If you end up with leftovers, throw them in the rice later.

High-end butter can go a while if kept in an air tight container, and REAL cheese can last a very long time. Those two things make everything better. Likewise, peppercorns and salt should be kept around.

Canned food should be purchased in as small a can as possible to maximize efficiency. Buy things that don't really have to be cooked when you are feeling lazy.

5: Supplements:

Keep some vitamin pills around.

I keep performance enhancing products around, such as might be found in outdoor stores. When mixed with other things, they put you in a mind to get things done. Even the little health bars are nice, as they are designed to fill you up.

This is the important part, though. Keep some shit you like handy. I'm always found with a few liters of Mello Yello and Gatoraid Rain-berry on hand. I like those things.

That's just round the house stuff, but it all works great. If you don't keep things like this in mind, you are going to be very uncomfortable during a disaster.

6: Make sure you replicate your stocks in a manner small enough to fit in a pack. If you have to leave, you'll have the stuff with you.

One more little tip: Payphones tend to last longer than people think during a disaster. If you want to call a family member, try one. Don't forget relay systems, either. There are many ways to communicate long distances if you arrange things ahead of time.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

d1driver

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I am not affiliated with these guys, but most of us know who Dave is.

http://www.selfrelianceillustrated.com/

I am not convinced many of the people on the east coast have the capacity to be self reliant though. Far too dependent on trains, buses, gas, government, stores, etc. Not to mention they had PLENTY of warning and chose to stick around.
 

kennith

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mjbrox said:
buy a gun and use it to steel other peoples shit.

A friend of mine once asked me how much ammunition I stocked. I told him I stock "X" amount. He laughed, and exclaimed that he stocked ten times that much.

This was my reply: "I know."

It took him a few minutes to realize why I don't need to stock more than I already do.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

adriatic04

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get a bike, you'll surprise yourself how far you can go by bike. Panniers and a trailer make them utilitarian and you will have a lot of fun.

I found myself using a lot of the "spare" lumber in my garage trying to build water and storm guards. I am in Cleveland but we got hit with bad wind and rain because of the lake. No where near as bad as the NE coast but I had to think through things for a few days.

Being handy, like most of us on here are, gets you a long way. Knowing how to do things with common sense really makes things stress free.

By the way, I am not a prepper. At the same time I do not rely upon anyone else.
 

kennith

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adriatic04 said:
get a bike, you'll surprise yourself how far you can go by bike. Panniers and a trailer make them utilitarian and you will have a lot of fun.

I found myself using a lot of the "spare" lumber in my garage trying to build water and storm guards. I am in Cleveland but we got hit with bad wind and rain because of the lake. No where near as bad as the NE coast but I had to think through things for a few days.

Being handy, like most of us on here are, gets you a long way. Knowing how to do things with common sense really makes things stress free.

By the way, I am not a prepper. At the same time I do not rely upon anyone else.

I always forget about bikes. I've got one, but it's suicidal to ride it around here, so it just slips from my mind.

You don't need to do much prepping if your bush-craft is good enough. You'll already have pretty much everything you need.

I prep for convenience. If it all runs out, I'll be uncomfortable, but not out of the fight. Damn, you can get away with nearly nothing at all. That's what bugs me about these events; just how helpless people are.

It's hard to be too sympathetic when you know there are kids that live with a lot less every day of their lives.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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az_max said:
I read this article, and fouind only 1 in 5 items would be useful. Most of it I already own in one form or another:

http://thewirecutter.com/2012/10/gear-in-case-of-emergency/
It is amazing how much useless shit they've listed. And I'd argue that MREs is one of them. You can have more food lasting you longer between rice, a can of meat, a little Coleman propane tank, and a spin-on burner, than from 3 MREs that take the same volume.

Something outside of most people realm - without being a ham operator, one can have a multi-band handheld that would be perfectly legitimate means of communication in an emergency, and often provide weather and shortwave band receiver. Same goes to 108-137MHz handheld.
 

adriatic04

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kennith said:
I always forget about bikes. I've got one, but it's suicidal to ride it around here, so it just slips from my mind.

but when everything is a standstill with cars, trucks, etc. you can get pretty far on two wheels. Shortcuts on bikes is a lot easier than by car in gridlock. Now if youre a pussy who cant stand getting dirty, wet, then riding a bike in conditions like we just had would be useless because youd hide under the first overpass you found.

one can easily ride 100 miles in daylight when you set your mind to it.
 

hilltoppersx

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tough cuz i have an apartment. but i really want a honda 2000 genny. i plowed thru my gas and my 5 gal jug. had to wait 2 hrs today to fill up but that's because i had to go back to work. i will have more gas cans by the new year. for the most part everything else went well. had plenty of food/water and ways to heat. enough ice blocks in the freezer to keep stuff cold. had the rover packed with food/water/gear in case we had a roof collapse or other catastrophic event occur.
 

apg

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A couple of decades ago, an ice storm was forecast, and nothing kills power with greater certainty than a spell of freezing rain and ice. Big deal, sez me.... I heat with wood, have a gas stove, several Aladdin oil lamps, a battery-powered TV and radio, the Rover was fueled w/ full jerry cans, and with lots of food and booze on hand. I was set...or so I thought.

Sure enough, the power goes out in the wee hours. Time for a nice cup of fresh brewed coffee beside the fire. Damn. All I had were coffee beans, and the coffee grinders were, of course, useless. Had to resort to a hammer and cloth to crush the beans.

The next survival purchase was an old-fashioned coffee grinder. Old, as in 1880, made by Peugeot, before they started building bikes and cars.

If you expect the power to go out, clean and fill the tub with water. Not for drinking, but flushing.
 

Tugela

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At the most basic level, emergency preparedness comes down to being ready for two kinds of situations. You either need to be able to stay in place for an extended period of time or you need to be able to leave because conditions require it.

As long as it's safe to stay in place, this is my preferred option. Being in a familiar location with resources and friends/family you can team up with gives you a big advantage in waiting out a disaster. There isn't much to add to what folks here have already said about being prepared to stay in place. Keep a stash of cash in a range of denominations. Even if stores are open they might not be able to accept credit card payment, which requires power and communications. Also, have a comprehensive first aid kit and know how to use it. If it's hard to reach a hospital, or there are lots of people already waiting for treatment, you can treat yourself or others for minor injuries.

If you need to leave, you should be ready to leave quickly. Beyond all the usual survival stuff that nobody here needs advice on, have all your important documents stored safely in a way you can take them along. Insurance policies, important phone numbers, passport, birth certificate, title to your house, records of your investments, backup of your computer hard drive, whatever else will be useful to have to help restore your life to normality from afar.

I also keep copies of these documents in a filing cabinet at my parents' house hundreds of miles away. And a backup of my computer hard drive (I don't trust "the cloud"). That way, even if my house is completely obliterated I have a starting point for putting things back in order.

For situations where the best option is to leave, I have a number of routes and destinations planned out, all on secondary roads. I have plans with my wife for where to meet and what to do if an unforeseen disaster strikes when we are not together. My stuff is organized in such a way that I can pack the Disco with a week's worth of supplies in less than 30 minutes.
 

kennith

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adriatic04 said:
but when everything is a standstill with cars, trucks, etc. you can get pretty far on two wheels. Shortcuts on bikes is a lot easier than by car in gridlock. Now if youre a pussy who cant stand getting dirty, wet, then riding a bike in conditions like we just had would be useless because youd hide under the first overpass you found.

one can easily ride 100 miles in daylight when you set your mind to it.

I can walk that far very easily, just not as quickly.:rofl:

APG said:
If you expect the power to go out, clean and fill the tub with water. Not for drinking, but flushing.

That's what a shovel is for.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

hilltoppersx

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we filled our tub with water and it drained by the morning. shitty landlord with shitty appliances and shitty install jobs, nearly led to me throwing shit in the street
 

dcarr1971

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d1driver said:
I am not affiliated with these guys, but most of us know who Dave is.

http://www.selfrelianceillustrated.com/

I am not convinced many of the people on the east coast have the capacity to be self reliant though. Far too dependent on trains, buses, gas, government, stores, etc. Not to mention they had PLENTY of warning and chose to stick around.

x2 on checking these guys out.

Not only for the reasons Scot calls out above, but also because Mike (the Editor-in-Chief) and Scooter (zebratruck) are part of the Rover community.

Many of you have met these guys at past MAR events and Mike was at The Wild's this year...
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I border the NJ/PA line and am 60 miles due east of NYC.I went through 2 hurricanes while stationed at MCAS Beaufort so I have been through this before.We only lost power for 18 hrs but I had prefrozen a case of bottled water so when the power went out I could throw it in the fridge to keep the temp down so food would last longer.PM has a good point,MRE's are excellent in an event like this.I have several cases.They are high calorie and have their own heat source and now a days taste pretty damn good.I've only lost power (for more than 12 hrs ) twice in the last 5 years(once being sandy) but I just picked up a 5600w generator that my friend is going to hardwire to my house to run the essentials.Basically I don't want to be without power for any reason at any time.The Monday before the storm I went to the gas station and filled up my Tahoe,the Rover,my pickup 4-5gallon gas cans and the wifes car.This hurricane didn't just come out of nowhere.Prepare for the worst and excpect the best.If a 1000 mile wide hurricane is knocking at your back door and you go out and buy milk and eggs to prepare you should not be surprised when after the hurricane hits you are fucked.I'm not a doomsday prepper but I have enough food,water,guns and ammo to get me buy for a bit.