Thoughts on MAR 2004
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cmondieyoung
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Kyle -- I'll change my user name when you make the switch to paragraphs. Deal? 
Gumarcel - Yes, for the most part I detest teaching undergrad classes. CU Boulder is full of spoiled, wealthy, apathetic skateboarder-wannabes who bring their fucking dogs to class, have terrible handwriting, and only take archaeology because they think it's an "easy" natural science req. for whatever half-assed sociology major they're pursuing. I especially love it when they come to my office hours, notice my Land Rover posters, and say "Yeah, my dad let me bring his out here! It's great!"
They just waste my time.
If it wasn't for the morbid pleasure I take in handing out C's, I would quit this whole professor thing right now.
Gumarcel - Yes, for the most part I detest teaching undergrad classes. CU Boulder is full of spoiled, wealthy, apathetic skateboarder-wannabes who bring their fucking dogs to class, have terrible handwriting, and only take archaeology because they think it's an "easy" natural science req. for whatever half-assed sociology major they're pursuing. I especially love it when they come to my office hours, notice my Land Rover posters, and say "Yeah, my dad let me bring his out here! It's great!"
They just waste my time.
If it wasn't for the morbid pleasure I take in handing out C's, I would quit this whole professor thing right now.
cmondieyoung said:Gumarcel - Yes, for the most part I detest teaching undergrad classes. CU Boulder is full of spoiled, wealthy, apathetic skateboarder-wannabes who bring their fucking dogs to class, have terrible handwriting, and only take archaeology because they think it's an "easy" natural science req. for whatever half-assed sociology major they're pursuing. I especially love it when they come to my office hours, notice my Land Rover posters, and say "Yeah, my dad let me bring his out here! It's great!"
They just waste my time.
If it wasn't for the morbid pleasure I take in handing out C's, I would quit this whole professor thing right now.
Sounds like my school, except a large number do work hard on their studies, well minus the skateboarder part, we have like 5 in the whole school. You would not ever want me, I can't write very well, eeeeek. There is only one prof who is Land Rover Enthusist at my school, but I am yet to have him, hmmm that might help....
cmondieyoung said:Gumarcel - Yes, for the most part I detest teaching undergrad classes. CU Boulder is full of spoiled, wealthy, apathetic skateboarder-wannabes who bring their fucking dogs to class, have terrible handwriting, and only take archaeology because they think it's an "easy" natural science req. for whatever half-assed sociology major they're pursuing. I especially love it when they come to my office hours, notice my Land Rover posters, and say "Yeah, my dad let me bring his out here! It's great!"
They just waste my time.
If it wasn't for the morbid pleasure I take in handing out C's, I would quit this whole professor thing right now.
I feel your pain. I lived in Boulder and the town is beautiful, BUT full of little spoiled earthy brats! Trustafarian Paradise! When I was there the students actually rioted in the streets for days because the cops cracked down un underage drinking in the streets...not the actual drinking, just the in the street component! So the kids ran all around like crazed banshees burning furnature, dumpsters and cars because they could no longer roam the streets with beer. Foolishness.
That said...here's to my good friends at the Sports Garage on Spruce!!! Whassup Thom and Schnitzel, you old 'Box of Rocks'!!!??
I forgot to add that the projector and screen was a great addition as well! Loved watching Bill's slide show and talking with him...we also watched some of the Camel Trophy videos. I was so excited when we pulled up to register and Kalimantan was playing showing all the MUD!
I think the auction was better when they combined items....like ok everyone wants some coffee for $7 and we have 20 cans. Let people buy at the same price and then get ride of the lot. Same for mugs, mechanics gloves, etc. It's always interesting to see how the prices go. I should have bought those gold DI Q panels for $25, but then again...the guy that bought them is the one who rolled his truck...he needs them more now!
I think the auction was better when they combined items....like ok everyone wants some coffee for $7 and we have 20 cans. Let people buy at the same price and then get ride of the lot. Same for mugs, mechanics gloves, etc. It's always interesting to see how the prices go. I should have bought those gold DI Q panels for $25, but then again...the guy that bought them is the one who rolled his truck...he needs them more now!
rover4x4 said:
now yours...no problemo!
just something about the same picture of a person as a avatar over and over...shapes and logos are ok but pics get creepy. Chris, I do respect you for actually using your name and pic, just seeing it scroll by...looking at me...gets weird.
utahdog2003 said:
James - Look up and click on "User CP" > "Edit Options" > then scroll down to "Thread Display Options" and uncheck "Show Avatars"
This should cure most of your problems for now...
LRover said:
I'll chime in..
I liked the name badge idea. It made remembering people much easier. Of course, my kids wanted them, so I bought 2 more.. $2.00/ea was fair IMHO. Mine was free 'cause I pre-registered.
I think that Bill Burke was invaluable. That guy was just so awesome.
I think a whiteboard (as someone else suggested) at Rally Control with trail updates would be great. Might even be better to mount one at the enterence to each trail with up to date info.. ie: closed - 10 vehicles stuck , caution - 4' deep hole full of water,etc. Logistics of this could be tough...
Or you could do something like an AWOS & broadcast updated trail conditions on a continuous loop over an FRS channel. People could tune to that channel at any time to get updated info. (For non avaition folks, an AWOS is an Automated Weather Observing System which broadcasts airport sky conditions, cloud layers, landing patterns, notices,etc to pilots via specific radio frequencies.) I see this as being really easy with a laptop for the message (repeating WAV, MP3,etc), double male cable, and FRS radio with VOX cababilites.
I'm sure I'll think of more.
-Tommy
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syoung
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We looked into doing some sort of radio broadcast capability, but didn't have the money and time to get it done for this year. We were looking at transmitting on AM so you could tune in the trail conditions... maybe next year. There are some restrictions for doing automated looping on public freqs like FRS... Trying to make sense of FCC rules is difficult.
Kyle- Again I don't see what the F you're talking about. A roll can happen on damn near ANY trail if you make a mistake like I did. Shit does happen. The 109 that rolled did so on what is considered the easy beginner trail. The hole that got me claimed some others as well. Sometimes shit happens- if you try to make people think that just because it's a big event there's no chance of rolling, that's doing a disservice to those people. Potential for damage or a roll is always present. Yeah, compared to some ol Disco, I do drive a sports car... with 11" of clearance under the diffs and the ability to go where most others can't. Again this year, I left my Disco parked just because it can't hang...
Your quote "but in no way no fucking how should you be rolling a truck at the MAR When you make that statement that is the standard you set." doesn't make a bit of sense. It's not like I set out to do it, and I'm sure the 5 other drivers who rolled set out to do it either. Nobody said it was a standard to be set. You have a talent for adding 2 and 2 and getting purple.
Kyle- Again I don't see what the F you're talking about. A roll can happen on damn near ANY trail if you make a mistake like I did. Shit does happen. The 109 that rolled did so on what is considered the easy beginner trail. The hole that got me claimed some others as well. Sometimes shit happens- if you try to make people think that just because it's a big event there's no chance of rolling, that's doing a disservice to those people. Potential for damage or a roll is always present. Yeah, compared to some ol Disco, I do drive a sports car... with 11" of clearance under the diffs and the ability to go where most others can't. Again this year, I left my Disco parked just because it can't hang...
Your quote "but in no way no fucking how should you be rolling a truck at the MAR When you make that statement that is the standard you set." doesn't make a bit of sense. It's not like I set out to do it, and I'm sure the 5 other drivers who rolled set out to do it either. Nobody said it was a standard to be set. You have a talent for adding 2 and 2 and getting purple.
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Kyle
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"Those things happen, it goes with the territory when you get into the hobby" Again , this is your quote and yes it does happen. But is that where we set the bar ? Or is it the canned statement that people use when they roll thier junk ? How is that , adding 2 and 2 and getting purple ? In fact most of your statements are completely newbie , canned statements that have been passed down from generation to generation... Once you have been on this site long enough you will find out that the people that rolled thier junk are people that you knew were going to roll thier junk... And they all have about the same thing to say...
As far as it being at the MAR . Well shit does happen in the real world. You get fatigued , you get behind schedule you get lazy from the beating a trail gives you if its a long one , you are are on unfamilliar territory on a trail (Not a course) that you have to complete or atleast complete enough to get some sleep and your concentration goes to shit and the next thing ya know you did something really stupid.
At the MAR you are on courses that were built and you helped with. You arent on the course to complete it in most cases , you are just out riding around "Socializing". You have "MARshals" giving you the dos and donts (Which you are one of ironicaly) . For that many trucks to go over just blows my mind. The worst part of it all is that its so damn predictable.
Kyle
As far as it being at the MAR . Well shit does happen in the real world. You get fatigued , you get behind schedule you get lazy from the beating a trail gives you if its a long one , you are are on unfamilliar territory on a trail (Not a course) that you have to complete or atleast complete enough to get some sleep and your concentration goes to shit and the next thing ya know you did something really stupid.
At the MAR you are on courses that were built and you helped with. You arent on the course to complete it in most cases , you are just out riding around "Socializing". You have "MARshals" giving you the dos and donts (Which you are one of ironicaly) . For that many trucks to go over just blows my mind. The worst part of it all is that its so damn predictable.
Kyle
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D Chapman
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The reason Steve rolled was not really due to "driver error", I was there. I went thru the same spot 2 minutes before he did. The ruts had not been "made" yet to "guide" the trucks thru the spot. The "woop dee doo" was really not an option for a freelander or stock truck because of the water depth, at the angle the trucks fell into the hole, I can see water getting funneled into the intake fast. Steve drove into the mud and could not stop because it was so slick. The "woop dee doo" or "tank trap" did not seem deep because they were filled with water, and it was midnight. It was an honest mistake that may or may not have been prevented.
From what I know, the 109 rolled because he lost his brakes on a 20%+ grade. In order to avoid hitting a following truck he had to cut the wheel into the bank, which in return rolled the truck. Again, not really his fault. This could have may or may not been prevented.
The dumb fuck who rolled driving drunk, is just a dumb fuck. This is one person who should be banned from future events and kicked out of ROAV!!!
There were some trails at MAR that could have easily rolled a truck, ie. Goat Hill. That was at least a 40% grade, and if you got sideways it's a long way down. With the mud and speed needed to complete the trail, a roll over could have happened very fast.
But still, 400+ trucks, 800+ people and all people can complain about it ONE drunk guy, too much mud, people with stock Land Rovers having fun, and traffic in the main vendor area. If that is all it boils down to, I think MAR was a trip worth making.
From what I know, the 109 rolled because he lost his brakes on a 20%+ grade. In order to avoid hitting a following truck he had to cut the wheel into the bank, which in return rolled the truck. Again, not really his fault. This could have may or may not been prevented.
The dumb fuck who rolled driving drunk, is just a dumb fuck. This is one person who should be banned from future events and kicked out of ROAV!!!
There were some trails at MAR that could have easily rolled a truck, ie. Goat Hill. That was at least a 40% grade, and if you got sideways it's a long way down. With the mud and speed needed to complete the trail, a roll over could have happened very fast.
But still, 400+ trucks, 800+ people and all people can complain about it ONE drunk guy, too much mud, people with stock Land Rovers having fun, and traffic in the main vendor area. If that is all it boils down to, I think MAR was a trip worth making.
ducati said:
Actually I know Kevin, years back and forth on the LRO mailing list, at least 8 or 10. He was the one who came up and had a fresh enough brain to think that maybe Land Rover wasn't 100% spot on in writing the owners manual. I thanked him for making me look very stupid
It was another bloke earlier, who I will have to track down.
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syoung
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Yeah- newbie... that's it. Where do you get this shit? My first time wheelin my own vehicle was 20 years ago in a surplus M38. I've had six Heeps and 3 Rovers over the years and wheeled in countries *you* probably couldn't find on a globe. Never rolled one till last week, but came close. Your gripe changes from post to post but now I guess it's because I'm a "newbie" and also that nobody should roll a vehicle at an organized event? No logic to that. Eight volunteers can't ensure that 400 vehicles don't get some damage- especially in trail conditions that change rapidly. I'm not suprised about the Discos that went over and no doubt if I had my Disco on the trail that night and made the same mistake- it would have been far worse.
You are predictable in that you claim everything else everyone does is predictable because they are a newbie or a dumbass. You, I am quite sure, have never made a mistake however.
Yes, the trails there had been prepared in advance- and Nature changed them rapidly. WTF is YOUR answer to all this? WTF would YOU do? Full of gripes, but not a shred of useful information coming out of you.
edit: I've admitted all along that it was my error not hugging the trees more. Hasn't everyone taken a line a few inches off before? It's really not that big of a deal.
You are predictable in that you claim everything else everyone does is predictable because they are a newbie or a dumbass. You, I am quite sure, have never made a mistake however.
Yes, the trails there had been prepared in advance- and Nature changed them rapidly. WTF is YOUR answer to all this? WTF would YOU do? Full of gripes, but not a shred of useful information coming out of you.
edit: I've admitted all along that it was my error not hugging the trees more. Hasn't everyone taken a line a few inches off before? It's really not that big of a deal.
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On the subject of rolling, FWIW, one winter in VT I rolled The Antichrist doing less than 25mph on an icy road 1/2 mile from my house that I'd driven literally 100's of times.
"How?!", you may ask. Ass end came loose and spun around, hitting a rock in the road and flipped it on it's side. If you've watched ice skaters spin, you know how it can happen.
So yes, knowing a trail will certainly help prevent a roll, or other mishaps, but in Steve's defense he hadn't been on it really recently, and anyone who lives in VA knows how quickly "road" conditions change from day to day given the recent weather. Heck they changed from day to day, and some hour to hour, over the span of MAR. So what was a perfectly appropriate approach one day might be completely inappropriate another day.
Let's just hope we learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of others we witness.
"How?!", you may ask. Ass end came loose and spun around, hitting a rock in the road and flipped it on it's side. If you've watched ice skaters spin, you know how it can happen.
So yes, knowing a trail will certainly help prevent a roll, or other mishaps, but in Steve's defense he hadn't been on it really recently, and anyone who lives in VA knows how quickly "road" conditions change from day to day given the recent weather. Heck they changed from day to day, and some hour to hour, over the span of MAR. So what was a perfectly appropriate approach one day might be completely inappropriate another day.
Let's just hope we learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of others we witness.
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Ron L said:
I guess, according to you, it's driver error when you run over a dog on the interstate too. Or when you hit the brakes in the snow and your truck slides.
Crap happens, its nothing about Steve's driving skills, or MAR in general. Steve was not drunk, he was not acting carelessly, and was not driving in excess speed for the conditions. The tank trap just pulled him in. Sure, he could have gotten out of his truck, got a stick and checked the water depth, gotten back in his Darby, and winched thru the spot. But what since does that make? Everytime you get your truck off the highway you risk damage, I think that is what make the sport intersting. Everyone loves to see a rollover, and if you don't you are kindda disapointed at the end of the day (as long as it's not you that rolls)
Steve, If you would have hugged the trees you would not have a passenger side left on your truck, just like the other freelander that followed you who we winched out.
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