Trayvon, Zimmerman...Enough already

mjbrox

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Meanwhile, congress is probably doing something to completely fuck the American people while we are all distracted with this BS>
 
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I think any defense of George Zimmerman is bullshit. What was he doing? Driving around in a car with a gun looking for things he considered "suspicious". He rolled by the kid , called 911. The cops told him to stay in his car. He didn't. If he stays in his car that kid is still alive. But he had a boner to be robocop. What did they kid do next? We don't know. If he did throw the first punch the guy who drove by him and got out and got out and was chasing him he was within his rights. If someone did that to any of you I would stand behind your right to do the same. It was only after he initiated a confrontation and was getting beaten that he felt his life was in danger and shot the kid. I like guns, I'm all for people carrying them but if you do you are taking a lot responsibility. You need to own whatever happens. This guy made a bunch of bad decisions and a kid died that didn't have to. That's shit. He's shit and they prosecutors who couldn't even get a man slaughter conviction out of that should be beaten in the kidneys with saps and be forced to live out their days cleaning out hog pens.
 
seventyfive

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I've been thinking for a long time about concealed carry permits. I don't believe in conspiracy theories at all BUT I've always felt (ever since every little dick billy bad ass felt the need to conceal a weapon) that the current elected officials could use this in their favor.

If 1 in 10,000 Americans are carrying a concealed firearm the odds of a situation arising, where something so unthinkable can happen is pretty slim. Now give any billy bad ass a concealed carry permit the odds increase. Now if 1 in 10 Americans are packing heat the odds that something unthinkable can happen is a lot greater. Some hot head pulls his dick extension and murders somebody. The verdict is not guilty and the attorney general appeals to a higher court. The general public is outraged so much that the court sides with the popular opinion (even though our higher courts are supposed to be impartial). Next thing you know the sheriff shows up to my door to comphiscate MY firearms.

If you think or feel you absolutely need to carry a firearm I could care less BUT personally I feel the law should be you can not conceal it. It must be out in the open so I can see it. Maybe if the brother saw the neighborhood watchman carrying a weapon this would have never happened.

Way back when you needed to be heavy but eventually law prevailed and we didn't need to be heavy. Resorting to the days of the Wild West makes me look at the bigger picture. What is going so wrong nowadays that WHITE men feel the unbelievable need to carry a firearm?

But then again in a couple years a white affluent male will be back in the White House and All this will be old news.
 
kennith

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I can walk to my cars with whatever I want where I live, and nobody will complain, but imagine those unfortunate firearm enthusiasts who live in a modern neighborhood with... Yuppies... :ack:

You can only get away with pretending to be a businessman who moonlights as a musician and towel-folding hobbyist for so long...

It's best just to holster the damned thing where it can't be seen and be done with the affair, if you mean to carry a firearm about.

That's what the permit is for. A great many people, when carrying for no predetermined purpose, would prefer to do so openly. It's easier, more comfortable, better for the firearm, and doesn't require clothing that's sometimes less than ideal.

The hassles of concealed carry, however, pale in comparison to the potential hassles of open carry, for those that don't look like they'd ever have worked for a government entity, or for those surrounded by people who would whine about the happy family pit bull two doors down being a potential powder keg of murderous chaos; because that's what their sister's hairdresser once said.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
seventyfive

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kennith,

the nice thing about a pit bull is that it is noticeable. if i see a pit bull thats looking at me like im a pork chop then i know to avoid it.

if i see someone carrying a firearm in the open i can avoid them. not saying its an 'entrapment' type situation, BUT lets say you're out walking one night. somebody starts some shit with you. you give then some shit back. they pull a gun and shoot you. maybe, just maybe if they had their gun out in the open that situation could be diverted. but then again with no witness' it's their word against yours, and since you're dead who is the jury going to believe?

obviously a scenario like that would almost never arise where there are witness.....but the way things seem to be going these days you never know. especially in a stand your ground state, and especially if the witness' have a preconceived opinion of the victim.

mark my words, eventually there is going to be a situation where something very terrible is going to happen where a person legally carrying does something to infringe on my rights to own the firearms i own.
 
mjbrox

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Drillbit said:
I think any defense of George Zimmerman is bullshit. What was he doing? Driving around in a car with a gun looking for things he considered "suspicious". He rolled by the kid , called 911. The cops told him to stay in his car. He didn't. If he stays in his car that kid is still alive. But he had a boner to be robocop. What did they kid do next? We don't know. If he did throw the first punch the guy who drove by him and got out and got out and was chasing him he was within his rights. If someone did that to any of you I would stand behind your right to do the same. It was only after he initiated a confrontation and was getting beaten that he felt his life was in danger and shot the kid. I like guns, I'm all for people carrying them but if you do you are taking a lot responsibility. You need to own whatever happens. This guy made a bunch of bad decisions and a kid died that didn't have to. That's shit. He's shit and they prosecutors who couldn't even get a man slaughter conviction out of that should be beaten in the kidneys with saps and be forced to live out their days cleaning out hog pens.
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Thank you!!!

Perfectly stated.

Problem is that Zimmerman did not do anything illegal by approaching Trayvan. The question will always remain about how that confrontation went.

Now, all that said. I do not believe this was the racial case it is being made out to be. Also, if we are going to call Zimmerman a white man, then I am going to start calling Obama a white man
 
brian4d

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Drillbit said:
I think any defense of George Zimmerman is bullshit. What was he doing? Driving around in a car with a gun looking for things he considered "suspicious". He rolled by the kid , called 911. The cops told him to stay in his car. He didn't. If he stays in his car that kid is still alive. But he had a boner to be robocop. What did they kid do next? We don't know. If he did throw the first punch the guy who drove by him and got out and got out and was chasing him he was within his rights. If someone did that to any of you I would stand behind your right to do the same. It was only after he initiated a confrontation and was getting beaten that he felt his life was in danger and shot the kid. I like guns, I'm all for people carrying them but if you do you are taking a lot responsibility. You need to own whatever happens. This guy made a bunch of bad decisions and a kid died that didn't have to. That's shit. He's shit and they prosecutors who couldn't even get a man slaughter conviction out of that should be beaten in the kidneys with saps and be forced to live out their days cleaning out hog pens.
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Is that right? I wasn't aware you were there. Why didn't you testify? Truth is nobody knows what actually happened and the available evidence pointed to a not guilty verdict. Let it go, everyone.

As mentioned, this is the medias way of not reporting real news and it's working very well.
 
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mjbrox

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Is that right? I wasn't aware you were there. Why didn't you testify? Truth is nobody knows what actually happened and the available evidence pointed to a not guilty verdict. Let it go, everyone.

As mentioned, this is the medias way of not reporting real news and it's working very well.
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Fact - Driving around in a car with a gun looking for things he considered "suspicious".

Fact - He rolled by the kid , called 911.

Fackt - The cops told him to stay in his car.

Fact - He didn't.

Not fact, but I believe this - he had a boner to be robocop.

So, did Zimmerman initiate a confrontation that warranted the ass whoppin that Trayvan administered to him? Who the hell knows. But, it would have never happened if Zimmerman stayed in his car.

Zimmerman was very very wrong for getting out of his car. I think everyone can agree on that. We will never know the rest of the strory for sure.
 
Mike_Rupp

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To be fair, every rational person who looked at facts knew that OJ Simpson murdered his wife and Ron Goldman. Most of these rational people were plenty pissed when the jury let OJ off. On the other hand, anyone who looked at the evidence presented in the Zimmerman case knows that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him of second degree murderor manslaughter. If someone can't realize that, how can they be expected to act in a rational manner and "let it go".
 
Blue

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If it was OJ on Travon then you would have never heard a thing about it. Unless it was "white" OJ.
 
Mike_Rupp

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Manslaughter is “the unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice."

So having someone pummeling your head into the concrete and then reaching for your gun to defend yourself isn't justifiable?
 
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