Whats a good pepper spray for dogs?
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Don't pepper spray a dog.
Just buy an electronic noise-maker or air horn. If you see the dog in your yard, go out and blast the loudest, most unfamiliar sound you can in it's direction. It'll run off. If you get an air horn, get the biggest mother-fucker you can find. If you use an electronic noise-maker, it can easily be wired to a few weak motion detectors for use during those times you expect your neighbor will let his dog out.
Just think of it as an acoustic fence. It's cheap to build. You only need a few posts, a few "Ebay special" motion detectors, and one or more loud noise-makers, depending upon the length of the required barrier. It's cheap enough that you can just mount one on each post.
Just make sure your dog is inside when you use either of those methods, so he doesn't run off into the neighboring yard to get away from the racket.
In the meantime, take a tip from your own dog, and mark your territory every few times you have to take a leak. Sounds stupid, but it's a very direct statement to an animal, and effective.
Do these things, and you won't have to harm the dog, and you won't have to get into it with your neighbor.
Cheers,
Kennith
Just buy an electronic noise-maker or air horn. If you see the dog in your yard, go out and blast the loudest, most unfamiliar sound you can in it's direction. It'll run off. If you get an air horn, get the biggest mother-fucker you can find. If you use an electronic noise-maker, it can easily be wired to a few weak motion detectors for use during those times you expect your neighbor will let his dog out.
Just think of it as an acoustic fence. It's cheap to build. You only need a few posts, a few "Ebay special" motion detectors, and one or more loud noise-makers, depending upon the length of the required barrier. It's cheap enough that you can just mount one on each post.
Just make sure your dog is inside when you use either of those methods, so he doesn't run off into the neighboring yard to get away from the racket.
In the meantime, take a tip from your own dog, and mark your territory every few times you have to take a leak. Sounds stupid, but it's a very direct statement to an animal, and effective.
Do these things, and you won't have to harm the dog, and you won't have to get into it with your neighbor.
Cheers,
Kennith
This will work only once or a couple of times Kennith. As soon as they realize there is no harm from the noise, they will come through it. I do not know this specifically from dogs, but do for bear, deer, skunk, racoon, coyote. For deer it does not work even once. Although dogs likely are more sensitive to noise it won't work long.
If I really thought family was in danger, I would go bear spray. Human stuff is meant for very close range.
Obviously if you use it, people with dog are going to know. It also has a marker
If I really thought family was in danger, I would go bear spray. Human stuff is meant for very close range.
Obviously if you use it, people with dog are going to know. It also has a marker
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I agree with Bri . A correction needs to be strong enough to work the first time. Might seem really severe that one time but compared to correcting a dog 1,000 times a year for some stupid shit the strong correction is more humane.
That being said I believe that every time you have to correct your dog you need to give him a chance to earn praise. So you correct him for getting in the trash, then you offer him the trash,then you praise him for turning away from the trash.
Plus I'm a dick and I want to do this thing. Shit kenny did you watch the video? Looks like the dog was ok enough to make it home. Did you notice that at least an hour passed because the sun went down and that fucker was still sitting in the front yard. Much more humane than my plan 2.
Looks like the bear spray will cost $40. Discharging in city limits is $80.
That being said I believe that every time you have to correct your dog you need to give him a chance to earn praise. So you correct him for getting in the trash, then you offer him the trash,then you praise him for turning away from the trash.
Plus I'm a dick and I want to do this thing. Shit kenny did you watch the video? Looks like the dog was ok enough to make it home. Did you notice that at least an hour passed because the sun went down and that fucker was still sitting in the front yard. Much more humane than my plan 2.
Looks like the bear spray will cost $40. Discharging in city limits is $80.
Obviously if you use it, people with dog are going to know. It also has a marker[/QUOTE]
Yes people are going to know. Did you see all the people clear out of that house when they let the dog inside? Thats why I wan't the bear spray. Volume and spray pattern.
Yes people are going to know. Did you see all the people clear out of that house when they let the dog inside? Thats why I wan't the bear spray. Volume and spray pattern.
Do these things, and you won't have to harm the dog, and you won't have to get into it with your neighbor.
Cheers,
Kennith[/QUOTE]
Do you really think I would have a problem with getting into it with some asshole neighbor?
Cheers,
Kennith[/QUOTE]
Do you really think I would have a problem with getting into it with some asshole neighbor?
Different dude.
But yeah, if I had a dog attack my newfy on my property I'd kill the dog for sure.
I honestly hate how it's not "PC" to have an opinion that pitbulls are fucked. Sure there are a ton of them that probably wouldn't attack other people/animals, but I've seen several attack other dogs/people that have been raised by great owners.
I went over to my buddy's parent's house a couple weeks ago with my dog. They have 6 dogs there, all various breeds. I bring my newfoundland in and it's all good with the dogs, and then the pit comes out and grabs his neck.
Same owners, same house, similar age. But yeah it's just the owners.
Yep, it's a big old goofy world. Dogs that could become a liability to the point that insurance companies won't insure you if you have one. I've owned Newfoundlands all my adult life and springers when I was younger. I don't keep a dog as a weapon. when my friends and I start pushing each other around my dog will take to defend the person loosing. Even if its my friend who seems to need help. And he would do that by pushing me away, never with his mouth. But, at 31" tall they just look scary.
I bet I'm gonna have to do this thing twice. Just because of the way dogs seem to learn. Had a trainer tell me a long time ago that dogs learn in 3's. Two times he's gonna take the bait, third time he's gonna get the good boy for stopping in his yard. Any body with some dog training experience think I should expect him to be pissed about getting hosed down and try again?
What you say is not breed specific. The most agressive dogs I have personally experienced are pit bulls and dobermans. I will never own either breed.
Any dog WILL attack another dog or person. It just depends on the dog and the situation. My chessie has never had a problem with other dogs and is regularly kenneled with a swarm of other large dogs. However, I guarantee I could easily get here to attack ME!
The most aggressive breed Ive seen to date are Yorkies.. all 7 pounds of them. Two of my neighbors have them, and every time they see my 90lb pit mix they get aggressive. Mean while my dog is just sitting there like whats your problem? No one cares though because they are small and cute.. If my dog showed that same behavior they would think hes a viscous killer!
Pit bulls are a strong breed and not for the average owner. Just because someone can train a golden retriever it doesn't mean that same technique will work on a pit. You have to be able to read dogs body language and correct the behavior before it even happens.
Pit bulls are a strong breed and not for the average owner. Just because someone can train a golden retriever it doesn't mean that same technique will work on a pit. You have to be able to read dogs body language and correct the behavior before it even happens.
You are absolutely correct. I have seen many small breeds that are very aggressive, but its not the same type of aggression as a pit and even though their bite can be quite nasty, they do not represent the same hazard as a large breed. In fact a yorkies defensive instinct can be seen in other large breed dogs as well and when you combine the two, you have a real bad recipe for bad things.
I have kind of a hard time thinking that the pit bull is really that much worse than other aggressive breeds. I've had personal bad experiences with pit and dobies. But have seen some pretty horrific aggression in various shepards most notably the german and malinois.
I also had a couple of Great Pyrenese all over my D1 when passing through a herd of sheep over engineers pass, but they were after my dogs, not the rover or me. I will tell you though, it was scary. They really did seem like they were going to come through the windows.
There are a bunch of aggressive behaviors that you have to train to. Plain aggression, protection and defensive. Get a dog with all 3 and you have a real issue.
One of the things that really amazes me is the casual attitude some people have with their dogs and kids. Although trust likely has a lot to do with it, I doubt that if I had kids I would have the same casualness that 90% of the people out there do. I totally trust my pointer around kids. I do not trust my Chessie at all. Both are locked up when there are kids in the house.
I have kind of a hard time thinking that the pit bull is really that much worse than other aggressive breeds. I've had personal bad experiences with pit and dobies. But have seen some pretty horrific aggression in various shepards most notably the german and malinois.
I also had a couple of Great Pyrenese all over my D1 when passing through a herd of sheep over engineers pass, but they were after my dogs, not the rover or me. I will tell you though, it was scary. They really did seem like they were going to come through the windows.
There are a bunch of aggressive behaviors that you have to train to. Plain aggression, protection and defensive. Get a dog with all 3 and you have a real issue.
One of the things that really amazes me is the casual attitude some people have with their dogs and kids. Although trust likely has a lot to do with it, I doubt that if I had kids I would have the same casualness that 90% of the people out there do. I totally trust my pointer around kids. I do not trust my Chessie at all. Both are locked up when there are kids in the house.
Of course not, but do you want to be living next to someone who hates or fears you? That's just plain annoying.
Cheers,
Kennith
Ask the letter carrier. My brother's wife was one in Fort Worth and somewhere in N.C. and she carried some stuff specifically for dogs. It would shoot a stream about 15-20 feet if I recall correctly.
Yeah, you are right. i would give it a shot. I just know it does not affect my dogs much. Deer and bear just stare at you in amazement, waiting for something to happen. I have found nothing to scare a skunk. those high pitched motion activated things stand a chance, but how to you keep it from affecting your dog?
You only activate the barrier when your dog is inside, using a light switch, and don't use a sound that's particularly torturous. Loud and sudden is enough. This is a maintenance practice, rather than a first strike, but it's good enough most of the time.
More importantly, it shows a careful and understanding escalation of force to any law enforcement officer that may be called as a result of any future action.
That barrier doesn't have to be as loud as an air horn. That device is for when you are staring at the animal and want it to leave immediately. The barrier needs to be just loud enough to startle the dog.
I volunteer for pest control of pretty much anything that's doesn't involve entomology. I handle dogs differently than I've suggested here, but I wouldn't recommend the methods for most people. That said, when I leave, I've got to leave something for the homeowner to use in my absence.
The tools work most of the time. When they don't, it's usually owner sabotage, be it by encouragement of poor behavior or physical disengagement of the solution I've suggested. That, or simply a lack of vigilance. It only takes a few weeks to correct pet trespassing if you keep at it. If the methods occasionally require reenforcement, a quick blast with one of these after the air horn gets the message across:
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Just keep it away from the head, and it's harmless. Ten extra effective points if you nail it in the asshole.
Skunks and opossums are two animals I haven't figured out how to remove effectively. They don't seem to care about anything.
As for bears, when I've encountered them, I've just pumped up, spread my over-shirt, and roared as loud as I could to run them off. It's always worked. Keeping them out of your yard is pretty simple. Seal any trash containers, using the kind that seal up properly, and just bag up some junk and leave it half a mile away with a few bread-crumbs headed in the direction.
When I say seal, I mean seal. Those coolers mentioned in the other thread that are certified as grizzly-proof aren't only talking about durability. It's a specification for wildlife preservation and safety. It's got shit-all to do with how long the cooler will last.
I primarily relocate snakes around here, which is pretty darn easy, but I handle other stuff as well. If I find something injured, I call the appropriate wildlife service officer to collect and rehabilitate it.
Dogs are the next big thing after snakes, and generally aren't too much of a problem unless they are fighting dogs, and even they have their special means of control. If it's completely ballistic or obviously abused in some way, I send people inside and call animal control. At that point, there's no other option to cure the situation and avoid a lawsuit.
As for bugs and spiders, I solved my own problem here by building a few places for them to call home several hundred feet from the buildings. Everyone has thanked me. It was a silly idea, but it worked.
Cheers,
Kennith
And there we have it. This is how you should take care of your dog problem, get kennith over to your place.
It's a rental property so He won't have to hate me for too long. That's kind of why we're here at this juncture Kenny. I'm afraid that his dog is going to hurt me, my family. or my dog. I give a shit if he hates me. I tried to talk to him and get the feeling he just don't give a shit yet. He will soon.
Think about how much fun this is going to be. Maybe I can get some video.