What's the latest on bringing in 300Tdi's?

[antichrist]

I know one I can get for a very good price with everything I need to covert one of my 109's.
I imported one about 4 years ago with absolutely no issues whatsoever but I seem to recall seeing people having issues lately.
Anyone one aware of such stories?

 

[pdxrovermech]

i dont think there has ever been an issue bringing one in, but i know a lot of people have been burned on their condition upon arrival. Unless you have a trustworthy/reputable source i can almost guarantee it will be a POS.

 

[antichrist]

On the condition, I'd be buying it on the assumption it needs at least some work, if not a rebuild. It's in a running driving Disco so I'm going to try to get a friend to check it out for me in any case.

 

[Mongo]

Tractor parts...some have had issues, some have not.




but some a guy in jersey said you don't know shit

 

[antichrist]

but some a guy in jersey said you don't know shit

Yeah, there is that.

 

[mbs13]

I've seen CBP targetting things lately for EPA certifications and CPSC letters. Kinda a crap shoot on how much grief you'll run into no matter what port.

I dunno what's up in Jersey, I only know that FishEH has pics of you on his bedroom wall next to his One Direction posters

 

[DiscoPhoto]

Shouldn't be any issues unless it's IN a vehicle.

 

[Spike555]

Inspections there in GA?

 

[DiscoPhoto]

Inspections there in GA?

Inspections shouldn't matter as the 95 is pre OBD2

 

[mbs13]

I'm sure Tom knows all about the fact that 300tdi's don't meet the 21 year old rule (yet) and that by swapping one into a vehicle would not meet federal clean air act regardless of whether or not his local emissions allows. His importing would be for testing and research only inline with current federal import regulations in order to conform to the federal clean air act prior to making it commerciall available.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/documents/420b11015.pdf page 13
&
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/documents/3520-1.pdf code W

I can tell you that CBP has targeted several of my own customers shipments for the OGA's (other govt agencies) and have been generally a pain in the ass (especially if a new Officer is behind the desk when the paperwork crosses). Remember that CBP enforces import regulations for lots of agencies that have regs on the books for imports. in this case it's not the EPA that will bar import, theres no EPA staff a ports, it will be up to customs to enforce what EPA has tasked them to do so. CBP has a hard enough time to keep up with their own crap, let alone another agencies policy changes, good or bad.

 

[listerdiesel]

Biggest issue is the loss of 70 or so ponies

113 bhp from new, against 180 or so for the V8.

They are different to drive than a V8 and if you get the R380 5-speed box, that helps a bit on performance.

It's not a popular conversion over here, most D1's are diesels anyway, although there are quite a few V8's in circulation. D2's had the TD5 at 135bhp, but with its own issues to contend with.

If you're not towing and if you can live with the reduced performance, the economy isn't that bad which will help ease the pain.

Peter

 

[robertofollia]

I'm sure Tom knows all about the fact that 300tdi's don't meet the 21 year old rule (yet) and that by swapping one into a vehicle would not meet federal clean air act regardless of whether or not his local emissions allows. His importing would be for testing and research only inline with current federal import regulations in order to conform to the federal clean air act prior to making it commerciall available.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/documents/420b11015.pdf page 13
&
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/documents/3520-1.pdf code W

I can tell you that CBP has targeted several of my own customers shipments for the OGA's (other govt agencies) and have been generally a pain in the ass (especially if a new Officer is behind the desk when the paperwork crosses). Remember that CBP enforces import regulations for lots of agencies that have regs on the books for imports. in this case it's not the EPA that will bar import, theres no EPA staff a ports, it will be up to customs to enforce what EPA has tasked them to do so. CBP has a hard enough time to keep up with their own crap, let alone another agencies policy changes, good or bad.

They can bring down the 200Tdi, which puts out the same bhp, it's even simpler. The D1 200 Tdi was built from late 1989 to jan 1994, so the first ones might apply for import, if they can find one. The ones who have not succumbed to rot and rust have found their way into hybrids.
There are quite a few left in southern Europe, left hand drive (so easier) and with plenty less rust. There are so many left in Spain, for example.

 

[redhawkrovers]

it can be classed of road use only or
it could be going in an old series truck.

 

[antichrist]

Yup, I meant the 300Tdi and R380 would go nicely in one of my 109's

 

[pdxrovermech]

just got done with a 300 and r380 in an RRC a couple months ago while still using the 1.22 transfer case. the r380 has noticeably more power than the ZF in my disco. think it mostly has to do with being able to wind up the turbo more off the line.

 

[Mongo]

Shouldn't be any issues unless it's IN a vehicle.

uhmmm...wrong

 

[DiscoPhoto]

uhmmm...wrong

Unless you somehow have more experience with it, then please don't make these claims.

 

[mbs13]

Unless you somehow have more experience with it, then please don't make these claims.

Whats your experience?

I believe Tom is looking for practical answers not just same old pissing matches about what is/isnt legal. (Sent ya PM as well Tom)

FACT: Swapping these engines into vehicles will NOT be legal under Federal Clean Air Act without EPA certification.
FACT: Emissions vary by state to state and whether or not swaps are allowed in order to be registered.

Which is right or more important? Im willing to bet that getting the vehicle squared away with the state will be more important than worrying about the Feds/EPA. Will the Feds come for you? Are you willing to bet on things slipping through CBP? Does your state even care about what engine you have under the hood? It all comes down to the individual importing and the risk they are willing to take. There's alot of grey areas in the supposedly black/white world of importing.

I can say that his experience will be different than that of an actual importer bringing these in for normal sale. Ask PT how that goes.

 

[DiscoPhoto]

Whats your experience?

I believe Tom is looking for practical answers not just same old pissing matches about what is/isnt legal. (Sent ya PM as well Tom)

FACT: Swapping these engines into vehicles will NOT be legal under Federal Clean Air Act without EPA certification.
FACT: Emissions vary by state to state and whether or not swaps are allowed in order to be registered.

Which is right or more important? Im willing to bet that getting the vehicle squared away with the state will be more important than worrying about the Feds/EPA. Will the Feds come for you? Are you willing to bet on things slipping through CBP? Does your state even care about what engine you have under the hood? It all comes down to the individual importing and the risk they are willing to take. There's alot of grey areas in the supposedly black/white world of importing.

I can say that his experience will be different than that of an actual importer bringing these in for normal sale. Ask PT how that goes.

The company I work for has been doing it for decades and has done it recently without issue.

The question was regarding bringing it in, NOT whether or not it'd be okay to throw in the vehicle afterwards.

 

[Mongo]

As matter of fact I do...but dipshits like you always pop-up and say the same BS, been doing it for years, no issues, blah,blah,blah

Please post up one 3520-21 form proving it...

If your so in the "KNOW" you'd know that shipments have been seized, denied and held-up

Whatever...

Tom, it can be done, just is becoming a bigger gamble