Why can you do one and not the other?

jim-00-4.6

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A resident alerted police after allegedly seeing Crowder throw an object from his car that sparked a small fire in the woods, Palm Bay Detective Ernie Diebel said. The object was a glass bottle containing an accelerant, Berger said.
This has what to do with smoking at work?
 
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jim-00-4.6 said:
This has what to do with smoking at work?


But Brian Crowder, 31, said he tossed a cigarette, not a bottle full of flammable liquid, out of his car.

"I believe that I accidentally may have -- may have -- started by tossing a cigarette out the door," Crowder told a horde of reporters as he was being led in shackles by police early Thursday

Thats good enough for me to say he needs to be charged.

Should have kept it in the ashtray, Junkie!
 

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Most smokers don't think of throwing their butts on the ground as littering. I have even said something to a few that I witnessed and they act like it's no big deal. I live in a cul-de-sac and in the center is a park. Every time I go out to sit on a bench there's a pile of cigarette butts at my feet. I'm gonna save these up for the guy that makes these piles...
Every time I read this thread I think I need a scotch. :D
 
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You will never find a more inconsiderate demographic then smokers. They dont care about litter,smells,lost work time, anything. It is their god given right to smoke as they please, and if you dont like it YOU're the one with a problem.


If they can smoke at work, I should be allowed to drink. OR, dont let them feed their legal addiction.
 

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Chris-St Louis said:
You will never find a more inconsiderate demographic then smokers. They dont care about litter,smells,lost work time, anything. It is their god given right to smoke as they please, and if you dont like it YOU're the one with a problem.

Not true at all... Yes, there are some smokers that act that way, but that's not directly related to the fact that they are smokers, just that they are bad people.

When I smoked, I made every effort to get away from any nonsmokers, whether it was on the street, or at a bar, etc.. if i was walking down the street smoking a cigarette, when I was done, i'd strip the cherry/tobacco off the end, and throw away the butt at the next garbage can (or put it in my pocket). As for lost work time, similar to what Chris said, the 4 or 5 times I'd go out for a cigarette during the day, i'd take about 5 minutes... about the same amount of time as someone going to the bathroom, getting a cup of coffee, etc..

So while I don't like smoking at all, and think everyone should stop, as a former smoker, I understand people who do smoke. While it's still legal, I'll respect it, and avoid it, just like I avoid other things/people that annoy me.
 
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You are the rare exception. Super Rare. 4 leaf clover rare, Lottery winning rare, leak free Land Rover rare.

Most....99% in my experiance, are not like you.
 

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Cvc smokes and when I was first around him I didn't know - couldn't smell it, and he always gets away from people if possible when he smokes. There are a ot more considerate smokers than you think - it's just the bad ones abound more.
 

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gmookher said:
beer with lunch today...thanks to this thread

Ahhhhh!

Just rub it in dammit.

I'm going to have several when I leave at 2:00 this afternoon.:D

Years ago we used to have a few drinks in the parking lot after work on most Fridays. Then management caught on and a few of them got offended, not because we were drinking, but we later found out that they were offended because we never personally asked them to join us.

Losers.....we were just getting together, no invitations were sent out.

Rant OFF.
 

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Chris-St Louis said:
How about the LACK of nicotine. Give a 1-2 packer a day no cigarettes, and tell me what you see?


--Impairment of perception, memory and comprehension ----Oh Yeah!

Decreased sensitory response; increased reaction time - Maybe... %50-50

--Increased self-confidence; decreased inhibitions - Unlikely.

--Sensory-motor incoordination; impaired balance - Certainly.


Look, Again, I am not talking wasted, I'm talking a shot to take the edge off.


Hmm... wonder why that shot would take the edge off. Maybe losing your inhibitions a bit? Smoking does not have these effect at all.

Besides we're talking about smoking, not, not smoking.

Why people that smoke get a break and drinkers do not was your argument not the effects of "not smoking".

You're getting lamer and lamer by the minute.

If you cannot see the obvious difference between drinking and smoking and how it effects you, you are blind.

Apparently you have never been through nicotine withdrawal. I have, I was slightly irritable and maybe had a headache. Never lost my balance, sensory or motor skills. Never lost reation time. Sorry, I do not believe your arguments above are founded in fact, just you're opinion and if you have not been through it yourself, then your opninion means little.
 
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As lame as you think this thread to be, it is not nearly as lame as purposly sucking in smoke that tastes like shit only to ignore your bodies attempts at expelling it by coughing to end at a point that you had withdrawls.

Since, you are of that caliber, one can not take your assesement of lame seriously.

Bottom line, Junkie, Is they are both legal addictions. One is supported, one is not.

Both should be eliminated from the workplace, no?
 

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bri said:
Apparently you have never been through nicotine withdrawal. I have, I was slightly irritable and maybe had a headache. Never lost my balance, sensory or motor skills. Never lost reation time. Sorry, I do not believe your arguments above are founded in fact, just you're opinion and if you have not been through it yourself, then your opninion means little.

So during this withdrawal you never got a bit jittery, or found yourself unable to focus on tasks, or one track minded towards smoking that "fixer" cig?

I watch some of the attempted quitters here, they all get real jittery when it's been too long. Even worse are the semi-quitters who are on the program of weaning off the cigs. They will smoke and then immediately return to the lab to set that stopwatch to count down to next cig, it's comical.

I used to dip, Kodiak, about a can everyday or two days. I'd go thru a can in an evening while drinking. But I was able to quit, cold turkey. However, the first week was brutal. I think that it was more habit, than addition, I was just used to doing certain things with a dip in than not having one. As soon I realized that, the desire to "need" one really dropped off.
 

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Chris-St Louis said:
As lame as you think this thread to be, it is not nearly as lame as purposly sucking in smoke that tastes like shit only to ignore your bodies attempts at expelling it by coughing to end at a point that you had withdrawls.
The only thing more lame than this thread and purposely sucking in smoke is...
purposely driving an Element.
 

bri

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Chris-St Louis said:
As lame as you think this thread to be, it is not nearly as lame as purposly sucking in smoke that tastes like shit only to ignore your bodies attempts at expelling it by coughing to end at a point that you had withdrawls.

Since, you are of that caliber, one can not take your assesement of lame seriously.

Bottom line, Junkie, Is they are both legal addictions. One is supported, one is not.

Both should be eliminated from the workplace, no?

As long as someone is not jeopardizing his work or anyone at work and abides by corporate rules, it does not really matter to me what they do with their own time. How would you plan to eliminate it? Law?

Not a junkie, but you sure sound like one.

This coming from a person that lacks enough physcal/mental control to that he must have a shot to "take the edge off", at work none the less.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.
 

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Bannon88 said:
So during this withdrawal you never got a bit jittery, or found yourself unable to focus on tasks, or one track minded towards smoking that "fixer" cig?

Jittery? Nope. I did say irritable and had a headache, but that actually could have been lack of caffiene. I quit caffiene at the same time. No problem with focus. I replaced the habit with food, then replaced the food with exercise. But I was not a heavy smoker.
 
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I have no problem using booze as a social crutch, the same as most smokers.

Its unfair that one group can indulge in their social crutch on the clock, along with designated area to do it in, where one group cannot have it period.

All or nothing, I say.