Oh, I would say from recent first hand experience that the approach and departure angles kick the shit out of the discovery. On the recent Dweb Utah trip, the D90 was flying up and down rocky obstacles at the front of the pack while the rest of us plebs were dragging and scraping at a snail's pace.mgreenspan said:
Why do D90's avoid depreciation?
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I'd love to have a TDI D90 as a daily driver; I do envy 110s for their cargo space - but after having ridden in one for six hours between Yuma and Flagstaff in the end of July, I'll stick to the D1.
The prices for used G500s are getting close to those of gray market D110s, with Gs being 20 years younger. Something to think about.
The prices for used G500s are getting close to those of gray market D110s, with Gs being 20 years younger. Something to think about.
chris snell said:
I'll play the devil's advocate for a moment. What kind of simplicity exists on a D90 that doesn't exist on a D1?
If you want to talk about approach and departure angles, fine. If you want to talk about loving the way the truck looks, fine. How about the simplicity of having to carry additional Jerry cans just to match the fuel capacity of a Disco?
Mike_Rupp said:
Hear hear. ...and with a lift and aftermarket bumper, the approach and departure angles of a Disco ain't far off. I love my D1.
Mike_Rupp said:
94 D90 vs. 99 D1: ABS. That, and some interior electrical. Other than those, there's not much difference between the two.
The fuel capacity is a major drawback, I'll readily concede. There's a few spots in the US where this can be a problem and the Canyonlands is one of them. The stock tank and three jerry cans will give me enough to make it through there and play around a bit but that's a lot of used-up cargo space.
You know, I was about to post a response to Kevin's post about departure angle of a Disco, and it made me realize that no matter what I tried, I could not match the D90's departure angle with a D1.knewsom said:
You can improve it all right, but you won't get there.
But for the poor departure angle you are rewarded with ridiculously large accessible and usable interior volume of a Disco.
Chris - D1's ABS is a piece of cake. Easier to deal with than a Classic's or any later model Rover's.
I had no problems keeping mine for 227k miles, I can disable it whenever I want, and enable when I get back to pavement. What impressed me that on that trip to Utah, I didn't even have to disable it - until we got to Fins.
Regarding the approach / departure angles of a D1: I can't remember a single time on my trip to Moab where I couldn't complete an obstacle because of a bumper getting hung up. Sure, I scrape the front once in a while, but the approach angle on a D1 is pretty damn good. And yes the departure angle is the compromise in the design, but it's just a matter of driving slowly and dragging the hitch over.
While I love the way a D90 looks, and I sure as hell would love to own one, objectively I couldn't drop the Disco for a D90.
While I love the way a D90 looks, and I sure as hell would love to own one, objectively I couldn't drop the Disco for a D90.
Golden Crack comes to my mind, and I've done some damage to the rear bumper on Pritchett.
The difference may be not black and white (like can a truck clear an obstacle or not), but how long will it take you to drive over an obstacle. On long trails the difference between a D90 and D1/D2 can add up to quite a bit.
The difference may be not black and white (like can a truck clear an obstacle or not), but how long will it take you to drive over an obstacle. On long trails the difference between a D90 and D1/D2 can add up to quite a bit.
I love nearly everything about the D1. Ben Little and I had a campsite conversation about me selling the D90 and building up a dream D1. Ultimately, I just love my truck too much. It's solid and I feel that I have a good sense of its mechanical status. I trust it. It doesn't seem right to put her out to pasture just because I like the cargo organization of the D1. We've been through a lot together and I will stay loyal to this old horse.
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I had been putting parts together to build a 100" Defender for nearly ten years.
Disco or RRC chassis, series body panels, EFI, etc.
The day I bought the 109, I put those parts on the shelf and decided that I had finally gottena s close to a 110 as I was probably ever gonna get.
I'll not deny that in spite of my arguments to the contrary (they are cold when it's cold out, hot when it's hot out and wet when it's wet out) I'd love a Defender and I have the greatest affection for my Series trucks.
I doubt I'll ever own a real Defender but I'd not turn one down.
In the meantime, I wanna build a real buggy!!!
Disco or RRC chassis, series body panels, EFI, etc.
The day I bought the 109, I put those parts on the shelf and decided that I had finally gottena s close to a 110 as I was probably ever gonna get.
I'll not deny that in spite of my arguments to the contrary (they are cold when it's cold out, hot when it's hot out and wet when it's wet out) I'd love a Defender and I have the greatest affection for my Series trucks.
I doubt I'll ever own a real Defender but I'd not turn one down.
In the meantime, I wanna build a real buggy!!!
chris snell said:
I've been toying with selling my faithful old D2 ever since my wife's beater '96 D1 came into the picture. I really like that truck. As you wrote, we've been through a lot together.
Just curious, when these vehicles were new and ready available to the public, for example a 1994 model, what were the sticker prices back then?
Big Papa said:
Based off the link below, $32-34k for a 97.
http://www.cars.com/land-rover/defender/1997/
cant wait to have my 100in. 4.2L defender hybrid done. fired it on monday and now i just have to put the underside back together.
but how many are actually selling and being sold?
I see the SAME trucks bounce from dealer to dealer getting a higher price and not really sold.
and what do those high priced trucks actually sell for? no one reports it.
I also saw alot of POS's that came in and heard what the owners had in them, and I was shocked some times. It really showed how dumb people were to pay that much then get hit with a 12k repair bill to replace tons of stuff and reseal every freaking gasket on the truck...
im all for making money and people getting ahead, but at the end of the day, if i wanted to spend that much money on a hot, bouncy, small, cool looking vehicle, I would buy an airplane.
oh and next to a 115K rr Supercharged, thats "cheap"...
I see the SAME trucks bounce from dealer to dealer getting a higher price and not really sold.
and what do those high priced trucks actually sell for? no one reports it.
I also saw alot of POS's that came in and heard what the owners had in them, and I was shocked some times. It really showed how dumb people were to pay that much then get hit with a 12k repair bill to replace tons of stuff and reseal every freaking gasket on the truck...
im all for making money and people getting ahead, but at the end of the day, if i wanted to spend that much money on a hot, bouncy, small, cool looking vehicle, I would buy an airplane.
oh and next to a 115K rr Supercharged, thats "cheap"...
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seventyfive said:
I'd take a 110 over them by a long shot. Far more capable truck. The 90" wheelbase makes them "nibble" I suppose, but 9 times out of 10 I want a long wheel base for better climbing. Add in that you have some useable space and it's a no brainer. If you want cool factor, then the 110 has it. The D90s usually attract the douchbags that have no idea what they just bought.