Gun Control

AbnMike

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In terms of material stuff...

It's better to live with shame and regret than be dead and feel nothing at all.

Right.

And if I didn't have a gun on me they may very well have my stuff and my life, especially since neither of them were hiding their faces, indicating strongly they didn't care if I saw them, which leads to the likelihood that once they easily took my stuff because I handed it over, shooting me was probably next.

I'm not taking that chance. If you want to steal from me I'm going to assume you intend to take my life as well. I'm not going to make it easy for anyone to do that. Go steal from someone who'll willingly hand whatever you want over, not this guy.
 

pinkytoe69

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And if I didn't have a gun on me they may very well have my stuff and my life

I'm not saying you did anything wrong in your situation.

I'm saying a robbery is like an airplane landing...if you walk away, it was a good one.

Whatever happens to your stuff is largely irrelevant.
 

ERover82

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https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...er-stores-report-says/Us4WqLOBDaAXH2TCHh6wmJ/

Officials with the supermarket chain Kroger announced Thursday that the company?s Fred Meyer locations will stop selling guns to people under the age of 21, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The retailer is third to announce the decision to tighten its gun purchase policies in the wake of a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, that claimed the lives of 14 students and three staff members.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Kroger sells firearms at 43 Fred Meyer stores in Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. The company previously sold assault-style rifles in three states ? Oregon, Washington and Idaho ? but stopped several years ago, the newspaper reported.
 

1920SF

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I wonder how many AR's are bought over the counter; I guess I am such an elitist (in so many ways) that I can't fathom buying one from a big store-I get everything online and more times than not either get the stripped or complete lower through the one FFL I like to go to (meaning drive all the damn way to Cville) and build it myself. That doesn't even taken into account the 80% build options.

The market is changing, while the big box stores play a political side in doing this I wonder if it will really have significant impact.
 

Blue

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Jesus, a lot of pussy millennial mentality on here nowadays. Just freely give up your stuff....LOL
 

AbnMike

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I'm not saying you did anything wrong in your situation.

I'm saying a robbery is like an airplane landing...if you walk away, it was a good one.

Whatever happens to your stuff is largely irrelevant.


Fair enough.

ACR:

My wife doesn't drive around with nor carry guns. She can shoot them, but is by no means some range queen.

However if I'm out of the house and someone does break in, which is highly highly unlikely - I mean it's so unlikely I couldn't tell you where my house key is because I don't carry it with me - but if, big huge if, someone broke in with intent to harm her, she does know the following:

Where a pistol is.
how to check that it is loaded and off safe
How to keep it pointed at the center of whomever enters the hiding spot and
how to keep pulling the trigger until that person has no more life in them.

So that's one reason. Because if someone ever did break in, again, highly unlikely, with intent to harm her, I'd want her armed with more than an old shoe or hanger, or crying into the phone to the 911 operator telling them how she's about to be raped or killed and please send the government to help.

Luckily she is more than willing to learn at least the above and practice it from time to time.

A gun is like any other tool - you never need it until you actually need it.

We haven't had to use fire extinguishers ever, either, but the house has them and we both practice on how to use them if necessary.

We no more run around wringing our hands in fear and thinking the house is about to burst into flames because we have fire extinguishers than we are running around wringing our hands in fear thinking that someone is going to break in and rape our bootie holes - but in the extremely small chance either happens, we are prepared.
 

ERover82

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Is this from the onion? A grocery store sells guns? Lol. Just picked up some milk, bread, and a new glock 43.

I'm right next to a Fred Meyer at the moment. It's a large department store, basically a much nicer Walmart. Yes, I could this very moment walk across the street and buy my produce, boxed goods, clothing, electronics, Rx, shampoo, a Glock, a shotgun, rifle, and ammo in the same purchase. Suck it, Canada.
 

seventyfive

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This is complete and utter bullshit Mike. It's the kind of thing said to prompt an emotional quick dumb decision on behalf of our Country. I enjoy our conversations but this needs to be corrected.

For those who don't want to watch the video here is the main point:

America has the most gun per Per Capita (90 guns to 100 people) out of any other country in the world. We rank 111 for murders Per Capita (4.7 murders per 100,000 people) Shockingly low considering all the guns we have. This doesn't even take into count the number of those murders that unregistered or illegal firearms were used to up the murder Per Capita rate. . . Chi Town alone knocks us up a few places on that list I'm usre.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Ben Franklin



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all the facts and statistics are fine until you start talking about INNOCENT CHILDREN being murdered. i don't care if every single american owns a gun, like myself, and there are zero murders involving a gun.

when a society accepts children being murdered and our elected officials do absolutely nothing to prevent the next one as in whatever it takes to prevent the next one, i will say we care more about guns than our children. until children are no longer victims of a cunt with a gun are we really such a great nation?

see this is what upsets me. if a group of children are murdered anywhere, gun free zone, library, museum, park, etc that should make anyone sick to the fucking stomach, stop everything, and fix it.

instead we put up all these statistics about how having guns makes our society so safe.

like i always reply to gun nuts. chris kyle was murdered at gun range surrounded by armed individuals and it did not prevent his murder. more guns did not save his life. he was murdered by a veteran, who most of you say would be the best people to guard our schools!!
 

stu454

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Too many folks don't understand that the only immediate counter to deadly force is................deadly force.

Reason, logic, right and wrong; none of that matters when someone is threatening you or your loved ones with grievous bodily harm.
 

AbnMike

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I'm right next to a Fred Meyer at the moment. It's a large department store, basically a much nicer Walmart. Yes, I could this very moment walk across the street and buy my produce, boxed goods, clothing, electronics, Rx, shampoo, a Glock, and a rifle in the same purchase.

Sounds awesome. We had a "Three Bears" in Montana, except it was a step down from Wal-Mart but you could buy all your food and then some guns and even a boat.

Not much in the way of dress clothing though.
 

ERover82

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There has to be data on this. If I'm in a confrontation and I have a gun, am I more or less likely to walk away?
 

AbnMike

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see this is what upsets me. if a group of children are murdered anywhere, gun free zone, library, museum, park, etc that should make anyone sick to the fucking stomach, stop everything, and fix it.!

Ok, so what is the fix? What can 100% stop children from dying from guns? Because anything less than 100% wouldn't be enough so it has to be a 100% fix, otherwise it isn't a fix.

So what is the thing, or things, that will prevent it, that everyone will abide by?

Because I've thought about it - and there isn't anything at all. There are things that feel good, but won't fix or stop it. Mostly those things simply make more of an inconvenience for the people who were never going to kill kids anyway, but they'll dutifully do whatever it is, more training, more waiting, more registration, more costs, more licensing, while the person who is intent on killing kids won't do any of it, and still end up killing kids.

Personally I think we'd save more teenaged lives by restricting car licensing to 26 and by limiting, through force if necessary, every car carrying a child 16 and under, to a max speed limit of 45 miles per hour.

We'd save so many kids' fucking lives that way the gun debate would look like arguing over which candy tastes better.

But this is never about saving kid's lives, it's about getting rid of guns. It's about social manipulation to make gun owners seem like the kind of people who hate children.

I mean shit, for all the ban this type or require this list, or this waiting period - Cho killed 32 people with a 9mm and a .22 handgun, that he bought 2 months prior to killing 32 people with two very small caliber handguns. In a gun free zone. Where guns were banned. And law abiding people didn't carry them.
 

AbnMike

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There has to be data on this. If I'm in a confrontation and I have a gun, am I more or less likely to walk away?

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.

I didn't report my incident because at the time the Police would have came on each others faces arresting me for having a gun - and completely ignored the criminals who had guns who were trying to rob me. Because at the time, having a gun in DC was illegal, even though it presumably and aruguably saved my life.
 

stu454

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The other thing is that banning guns won't do shit. There are millions upon millions of guns in this country and short of literally rounding everyone up while every single square inch of the country is scoured, nothing will work to rid us of them.

But guess what? Even if that grave usurpation of many rights were to take place, guns would be stolen from police and/or sold by unscrupulous members of the military. They would be smuggled into the country by cartels. And there would still be guns.

Gun banners are trying to unring a bell. Until they understand that, we will get nowhere on this issue.

My suggestions:

-Maybe l.e. could actually follow up on any "I'm going to be a professional school shooter" posts on social media.
-Arm and thoroughly train select members of school faculty and staff. Require recertification every quarter.

It's not the tool, it's the person:

http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states#.WphWu2rwaUk
 

stu454

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There has to be data on this. If I'm in a confrontation and I have a gun, am I more or less likely to walk away?

Here's the thing: if I'm confronted by a mugger and his seeing my gun causes him to bolt, I'm not likely to report that to the cops.

Having a concealed weapon has deescalated situations for me twice. They thought better of it when I presented my weapon. No shots fired; hell, I doubt anyone else even saw what happened. No calls to the cops, no data.
 

brian4d

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all the facts and statistics are fine until you start talking about INNOCENT CHILDREN being murdered. i don't care if every single american owns a gun, like myself, and there are zero murders involving a gun.

when a society accepts children being murdered and our elected officials do absolutely nothing to prevent the next one as in whatever it takes to prevent the next one, i will say we care more about guns than our children. until children are no longer victims of a cunt with a gun are we really such a great nation?

see this is what upsets me. if a group of children are murdered anywhere, gun free zone, library, museum, park, etc that should make anyone sick to the fucking stomach, stop everything, and fix it.

instead we put up all these statistics about how having guns makes our society so safe.

like i always reply to gun nuts. chris kyle was murdered at gun range surrounded by armed individuals and it did not prevent his murder. more guns did not save his life. he was murdered by a veteran, who most of you say would be the best people to guard our schools!!

That's what the stats are for Mike. To compile and make competent/rational judgments on if/when/why/how to fix the problem. The ultimate goal IS to save more lives but there is a right way and a wrong way to judge such solutions. Knee jerk reactions never work. These stats aren't there as a side show, you know that Mike.
 

ERover82

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Gun banners are trying to unring a bell. Until they understand that, we will get nowhere on this issue.

Background checks, empowering law-enforcement, etc are most important. However I look at it like my cars with the millennial security system (stick shift). If it's difficult, it might take them longer, they might be too lazy, or might be too stupid to do it at all. Maybe it allows more time for law-enforcement, counselors, teachers, etc to act.