Gun Control

[stu454]

Background checks, empowering law-enforcement, etc are most important. However I look at it like my cars with the millennial security system (stick shift). If it's difficult, it might take them longer, they might be too lazy, or might be too stupid to do it at all. Maybe it allows more time for law-enforcement, counselors, teachers, etc to act.

Or not act, as we saw with the Sheriff and the FBI in Broward.

 

[ERover82]

Here's the thing: if I'm confronted by a mugger and his seeing my gun causes him to bolt, I'm not likely to report that to the cops.

Having a concealed weapon has deescalated situations for me twice. They thought better of it when I presented my weapon. No shots fired; hell, I doubt anyone else even saw what happened. No calls to the cops, no data.

The old walk softly but carry a big stick. Makes sense. I wonder if applied at scale it begins some societal small scale arms race.

 

[brian4d]

Background checks, empowering law-enforcement, etc are most important. However I look at it like my cars with the millennial security system (stick shift). If it's difficult, it might take them longer, they might be too lazy, or might be too stupid to do it at all. Maybe it allows more time for law-enforcement, counselors, teachers, etc to act.

I learned to drive a 4-speed at 14 years old. Old Ford Ranger. Year later I could mix without a clutch. I was determined to master it.

 

[stu454]

The old walk softly but carry a big stick. Makes sense. I wonder if applied at scale it begins some societal small scale arms race.

That's the beauty of concealed carry: if I'm doing it right, no one has any idea that I'm armed.

 

[ERover82]

Or not act, as we saw with the Sheriff and the FBI in Broward.

Definitely needs addressed and looks like there's bipartisan support for it. Imagine we address that side of it, and there's more time to act. A good combo in my book.

 

[seventyfive]

That's what the stats are for Mike. To compile and make competent/rational judgments on if/when/why/how to fix the problem. The ultimate goal IS to save more lives but there is a right way and a wrong way to judge such solutions. Knee jerk reactions never work. These stats aren't there as a side show, you know that Mike.

not saying statistics and facts are sideshows. i work in engineering...collect data, analyze data, hypothesize, introduce 1 change, collect data, analyze data, hypothesize, introduce 1 change, repeat...

hypothesis>antithesis>synthesis>better hypothesis>better antithesis>better synthesis>betterer hypothesis>betterer antithesis>betterer synthesis etc

BUT when something so horrific as groups of innocent people murdered occurs all those stats and facts mean nothing. that is my opinion. does it mean an immediate non critical dramatic change? no. critical thought is meaningless without immediate action.

all we do is argue and implement stupid changes.

we need to start having critical dialogue so the corrective issues are real instead of 'well, just take all the guns away'. or 'well just give everyone a gun'.

 

[seventyfive]

Background checks, empowering law-enforcement, etc are most important. However I look at it like my cars with the millennial security system (stick shift). If it's difficult, it might take them longer, they might be too lazy, or might be too stupid to do it at all. Maybe it allows more time for law-enforcement, counselors, teachers, etc to act.

which is why i'm all for manual firearms. limited rounds. takes longer to kill as many people (unless you are one of those wild west gunslinger types) gives you time to think, and they rarely jam!

 

[seventyfive]

That's the beauty of concealed carry: if I'm doing it right, no one has any idea that I'm armed.

personally i do not believe in concealed carry. i believe if you want to carry a gun it needs to be exposed so everyone can see it. if somebody tries to grab it from you so be it.

last thing i want is some little dick billy bad ass pushing my fucking buttons so he can pull his dick extension out and, in the case of zimmerman, walk away a free man.


blue calls some of pussies, but the irony is back when i was growing up in jersey we didn't use guns. we used ball bats or tire irons. we used fists and feet.

to me anyone using a gun on an unarmed person or 'intruder' is a pussy.

 

[brian4d]

personally i do not believe in concealed carry. i believe if you want to carry a gun it needs to be exposed so everyone can see it. if somebody tries to grab it from you so be it.


to me anyone using a gun on an unarmed person or 'intruder' is a pussy.

Chaos in the streets.

How do you know they are unarmed?

Flip that, just what do you do when everyone has a gun but you Mike?

 

[Ballah06]

personally i do not believe in concealed carry. i believe if you want to carry a gun it needs to be exposed so everyone can see it. if somebody tries to grab it from you so be it.

last thing i want is some little dick billy bad ass pushing my fucking buttons so he can pull his dick extension out and, in the case of zimmerman, walk away a free man.


blue calls some of pussies, but the irony is back when i was growing up in jersey we didn't use guns. we used ball bats or tire irons. we used fists and feet.

to me anyone using a gun on an unarmed person or 'intruder' is a pussy.

Eh, why show what you have in your 'tool bag?' I am all against exposed carry. If I can carry concealed, that is what I am going to do. The weapon only comes out when needed. A huge thing is situational awareness; keep your head on a swivel, so you can avoid using the gun as much as possible. When it does come out though, it means some bad guy is going to get hurt... Same with knives and ASPs.

 

[stu454]

...Flip that, just what do you do when everyone has a gun but you Mike?

He'll use his bat and tire iron.

 

[seventyfive]

Chaos in the streets.

How do you know they are unarmed?

Flip that, just what do you do when everyone has a gun but you Mike?

when everyone has a gun but me? is that your idea of utopia, everyone has a gun?

why would i, or anyone with half a brain, hang out in an area where everyone has a gun but me?

some of you guys are pretty sick if you honestly believe everyone is armed and out to get you. i can understand listening to the news will make you a little nervous to leave your house, but everyone walking around with a gun?

 

[seventyfive]

He'll use his bat and tire iron.

not anymore. assault with a deadly weapon, look it up. you do stupid shit when you're a kid.

 

[brian4d]

when everyone has a gun but me? is that your idea of utopia, everyone has a gun?

why would i, or anyone with half a brain, hang out in an area where everyone has a gun but me?

some of you guys are pretty sick if you honestly believe everyone is armed and out to get you. i can understand listening to the news will make you a little nervous to leave your house, but everyone walking around with a gun?

Damn Mike, have you never been in any sketchy situations that you didn't intend to find yourself? Shit happens. Why would that be my utopia? You're flinging stereo types around for no reason. Most all concealed carry folk are good people that would most likely help you if you needed it. Hang out in an area with guns? Are you kidding? That's the most naive thing I've read here.

 

[seventyfive]

BUT when when the best places to skateboard are in the housing projects in trenton, you use whatever you have. we never had problems with the brothers it was always the italian kids. the berger bits...they all lived on berg avenue. greasy fuckers.

 

[seventyfive]

Damn Mike, have you never been in any sketchy situations that you didn't intend to find yourself? Shit happens. Why would that be my utopia? You're flinging stereo types around for no reason. Most all concealed carry folk are good people that would most likely help you if you needed it. Hang out in an area with guns? Are you kidding? That's the most naive thing I've read here.

numerous times. but i will never carry a gun.

keep in mind i grew up in rough areas, only the bad people had guns and they never just shot people for no reason...to say what cunts do now. movie theaters, facebook live, schools, concerts, etc.
i am a creature of habit and still believe if i am shot it's because i provoked somebody.

but now you never know do you? some twat decides he wants to show the world he needs attention and brings a gun to work. so the answer is everyone carry a gun.

personally, i know a couple people with concealed carry permits and they are not 'good folk'. they are sociopaths that know how to lie and play the character needed to get what they want.

 

[stu454]

....some of you guys are pretty sick if you honestly believe everyone is armed and out to get you...

Damn. Straw man, much?

Here you go:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

 

[brian4d]

Too many folks don't understand that the only immediate counter to deadly force is................deadly force.

Reason, logic, right and wrong; none of that matters when someone is threatening you or your loved ones with grievous bodily harm.

My father always told me this, 'you arm yourself to preserve choice. The choice to choose, is it going to be me, or is it going to be you.'

 

[brian4d]

This is why I own guns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-death-sentence-commuted-new-state-laws.html

 

[az_max]

Let's start with mandatory minimum sentencing:
Steal a gun during a robery: 10 years minimum
Commit a felony with a gun: 25 years minimum
Someone is killed during the commission of a felony with a gun: life in prison, no parole.

Then we can talk about limiting guns.