There is history of government coming for personal weapons. It ultimately ended in mass slaughter. While we'd like to think that it couldn't happen again look no further than NK. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. On a lighter note, you've obviously never lived in an area that embraced 'The Great Society' where personal accountability was sorely missing. While I've never had to draw a weapon on anyone...yet, I much prefer to have that option available to me. As the saying goes, "I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy".
Gun Control
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There is history of government coming for personal weapons. It ultimately ended in mass slaughter. While we'd like to think that it couldn't happen again look no further than NK. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. On a lighter note, you've obviously never lived in an area that embraced 'The Great Society' where personal accountability was sorely missing. While I've never had to draw a weapon on anyone...yet, I much prefer to have that option available to me. As the saying goes, "I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy".
Well see here in America EVERYONE is out to get us, break into our house, step on our property! And when they do we are going to premeditavitly murder that no good son of a bitch! Shoot them dead! It's in our DNA...that's how we got this land and god damn it that's how we're going to keep it!
On a serious note, when we go to quebec(city) we never hear the gun talk or politics in general, nor in Ontario. My kids last hockey tournament was in port Huron, across from Sarnia. Good amount of teams farther north as well. Lots of the parents went to a pond to let the kids play between games. Several of the Canadian parents said they were afraid to come across the border..,one of the dads; burly Ontario redneck, said he wanted to bring his hunting rifle.
in case some but job started shooting during the tournament They were all asking why so many people had so many guns here. And why we never do anything, about the guns, when the mass shootings happen.
Only response we have is 'Americans love guns more than children'. We always try to avoid the conversation but they are amazed at the amount of shootings here and we have no logical answer.
^ the vast majority of gun owners in America are law abiding. While everyone gets riled up, justifiably, over a tragedy such as this last shooting we basically ignore that more people are killed yearly in cities like Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore than all of the mass shootings across many years combined.
This is complete and utter bullshit Mike. It's the kind of thing said to prompt an emotional quick dumb decision on behalf of our Country. I enjoy our conversations but this needs to be corrected.
For those who don't want to watch the video here is the main point:
America has the most gun per Per Capita (90 guns to 100 people) out of any other country in the world. We rank 111 for murders Per Capita (4.7 murders per 100,000 people) Shockingly low considering all the guns we have. This doesn't even take into count the number of those murders that unregistered or illegal firearms were used to up the murder Per Capita rate. . . Chi Town alone knocks us up a few places on that list I'm usre.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Ben Franklin
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I've carried around a spare tire in all my vehicles since I started driving in 1986. Statistically I'm likely to never get a flat - why lug the thing around everywhere I go? Oh yeah, just in case, so I'm prepared.
Same with a gun. I'm not some gun fag carrying around all the time willy nilly either, but I did live in DC where I carried illegally for about a decade. For 9 years and 363 days out of that decade I never needed it. And then one time I did. And all I had to do was pull it and the two illegally carrying gun criminal shitheads who pinned me as yet another victim they could wave their illegal non-law abiding guns in front of and demand I give up my hard earned money and motorcycle suddenly wet their pants and ran.
I mean it's awesome you live where there aren't people who want to take from you. I wish that we could be like that in the US, but we aren't. And funnily enough, I've never been threatened or robbed or accosted by a legal gun owner - the only person who'd follow any other law you put into place to make people feel good that they did something.
You can make every damned law you want about requiring them to be locked up and in safes or buried under 3 tons of concrete or whatever else you want to make a law, but that doesn't mean anyone's going to follow it, and it generally means the people who should follow it, won't.
As far as the Police showing up to confiscate private property your father worked for and purchased with his own money. Neat. Sounds horrible to me.
Bottom line is that guns are 'tools.' At times you need one for hunting, other times for self protection. One does have to realize when to use that tool. Kind of like one wouldnt use a hammer to drive a screw into the wall.
My father could have got the guns back, he just had to renew his licence but for what ever reason, partly due to being busy, not hunting much lately, he didn't pursue getting them back.
I'm not going to get into a debate about gun control in the US because I don't live there so my opinion isn't relevant. However I live 20 miles from the US and I do spend a lot of time in the PNW states.
I will say that example about being jumped doesn't make sense to me. I would much rather not have had a gun and turned over my wallet. if you play that scenario out 100 times where 2 guys have a gun on you and then you pull out your gun, I'm willing to bet several times someone's getting shot. If you play it out 100 times and you don't have a gun and you hand over your wallet I'm willing to bet no one gets shot.
I say no one shot > shot.
I'm not going to get into a debate about gun control in the US because I don't live there so my opinion isn't relevant. However I live 20 miles from the US and I do spend a lot of time in the PNW states.
I will say that example about being jumped doesn't make sense to me. I would much rather not have had a gun and turned over my wallet. if you play that scenario out 100 times where 2 guys have a gun on you and then you pull out your gun, I'm willing to bet several times someone's getting shot. If you play it out 100 times and you don't have a gun and you hand over your wallet I'm willing to bet no one gets shot.
I say no one shot > shot.
A bar manager was shot and killed here recently after doing exactly what she was told by the asshole robbers.
So, your "willing to bet no one gets shot" is quite a large bet.
I don't fancy being at the mercy of some prick that needs money for his next fix/tv/24" rims.
So, your "willing to bet no one gets shot" is quite a large bet.
I don't fancy being at the mercy of some prick that needs money for his next fix/tv/24" rims.
This is EXACTLY what happened.
(Police showing up to confiscate your stuff is "by force.")
Of course, and read on.. Although the cowboys here probably prefer a good ol' over-my-dead-body shoot-out type seizure. Maybe he can make that happen.
I've lived all over NC. Northern part, southern Charlotte area amung others. I know of areas that this would absolutely, without any question of a doubt, not happen. Good thing the local Sheriff not only knows this but would never carry out any order to seize firearms. Interesting enough, one area I'm thinking about is in and around URE National Forest, close to Badin lake.
Except guess what? It only happened one time, and I was prepared, and they didn't take anything from me.
You may want to hand over your wallet and motorcycle or bicycle or truck or whatever, but not me. My (insert thing here) is the culmination of my life's work and education. Anything I have is because I bought it, through money earned via my own labor, and is a result of every parenting decision my parents made, and every good grade or every shitty decision I learned from, or everything I learned on any job leading up to and including when I received the paycheck that I exchanged for the thing I bought.
For someone to just come up and demand it? Because they decide the want it? And I freely give it to them because they demand it?
Fuck all of that noise. Twice. You know what handing it over to them does? Emoldens them so they continue doing it to others.
Also all kinds of statistics are out there that when one perp has a gun and demands something from another person, usually the other person is shot regardless. Ignoring all these hysterical mass shootings and suicides most gun deaths in the US are then from some motherfucker using one, generally on someone who doesn't have one.
Funny thing about guns, they give you options. Ever heard of a victim with a gun?
Not if I had to live with myself for giving something of mine, that I chose, bought, and paid for, to someone else, simply because they demand it of me and I was afraid of what they might do to me.
Know why we have so many thieves? Because so many people willingly give their shit up.
In terms of material stuff...
It's better to live with shame and regret than be dead and feel nothing at all.