Gun Control

SGaynor

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So if I plan to do something, but don't do it, I'm guilty of doing it anyway?
Actually, yes. It's called conspiracy.

Like when a wife tries to hire someone to kill her husband - but the "killer" is actually a cop. The husband doesn't have to die for a crime to be committed.
 

AbnMike

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Actually, yes. It's called conspiracy.

Like when a wife tries to hire someone to kill her husband - but the "killer" is actually a cop. The husband doesn't have to die for a crime to be committed.

Different scenario. That shows actual intent.

How do you prove someone buying a gun is intent on using it for a crime?

At the moment of purchase? Once they?re on school grounds?

What if they buy the gun but next day find Jesus?

That?s why a lot of this is slippery.

But I have no problems digging into why the local PD did nothing.
 

Blue

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So if I plan to do something, but don't do it, I'm guilty of doing it anyway?

Sounds like thought crime to me. At what point does it become the crime? When the idea is first planted in my head? If I draw it out on a piece of paper?

As far as the other comments about people not doing their jobs: exactly. So what other piece of legislation is going to force everyone to do their jobs every time?

If people want to prosecute the local PD or FBI who did not follow up on the threats, I have no problem with that.

What I have a problem with is someone proposing that I, as a responsible gun owner, need to get another test or check or certification or whatever else has been proposed over and over again, because if I, as a responsible gun owner do those things, then we will stop mass shootings.

Meanwhile if we simply govern all vehicles to 45 mph (35 mph if carrying children) we'll save tens of thousands of lives. Because: children.

Go hire someone to kill your wife and see how it works out for you if the cops are informed.

edit - I see SGaynor already made the connection
 

Blue

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Different scenario. That shows actual intent.

How do you prove someone buying a gun is intent on using it for a crime?

At the moment of purchase? Once they?re on school grounds?

What if they buy the gun but next day find Jesus?

That?s why a lot of this is slippery.

But I have no problems digging into why the local PD did nothing.

How about when the nutfuck doing the planning comes out and says, "I'm going to be a professional school shooter." Signed, Nikolas Cruz. Or Cruz posting on instagram, "I want to kill people."
 

ERover82

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Eric, what about the bell cannot be unrung don?t you understand? 300 million guns. Everything else doesn?t matter about your argument until this is answered.

Yes, I inform people of this routinely. Sell all the hunting and personal defense weapons you want. I'll buy them all day. However, when it comes to tacticool weapons you're either a dumb ass or a murderer and it gives me satisfaction to deny them to you. I've also looked at data that documents homicide involved guns being purchased new within 3 years on average, suggesting that a cease of sale may be of impact. I'm all for slowing down douchebags or stopping the lazy or incompetent ones, certainly the kind that murder kids.
 

brian4d

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Yes, I inform people of this routinely. Sell all the hunting and personal defense weapons you want. I'll buy them all day. However, when it comes to tacticool weapons you're either a dumb ass or a murderer and it gives me satisfaction to deny them to you. I've also looked at data that documents homicide involved guns being purchased new within 3 years on average, suggesting that a cease of sale may be of impact. I'm all for slowing down douchebags or stopping the lazy or incompetent ones, certainly the kind that murder kids.

What about Semi auto handguns? Those as well?
 

ERover82

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Don't want murderers to have those, but don't want to shoot tweakers with a single so I'd hope background checks, law enforcement empowerment, and standardization and sharing of red flag data prevents them from obtaining one.
 

Blue

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Yes, I inform people of this routinely. Sell all the hunting and personal defense weapons you want. I'll buy them all day. However, when it comes to tacticool weapons you're either a dumb ass or a murderer and it gives me satisfaction to deny them to you. I've also looked at data that documents homicide involved guns being purchased new within 3 years on average, suggesting that a cease of sale may be of impact. I'm all for slowing down douchebags or stopping the lazy or incompetent ones, certainly the kind that murder kids.

So your personal hangups now dictate that an AR cannot be used as a home defense weapon. Perfect logic, cupcake.
 

kennith

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the latest school shooter purchased his weapon legally. he was not a criminal until he fired the first round. your argument regarding only criminals act irresponsible is no longer relevant.

It must be acknowledged that, to be a criminal, one must not necessarily be a felon. Your point is observed, however.

Like nearly all of the others, he suffered quite a bit before losing it.

One common thread is abandonment. Abandonment by society, by schools, other kids, and even constant bullying that can no longer be escaped simply by going home. Without aid under extreme pressure, humans are forced to collapse or act on their own. Hell, this guy suffered a large loss a few months prior to the event on top of it all.

It was widely known he was suffering, and nobody did a damned thing. Nothing. There's you're problem.

I know it doesn't apply in this scenario, but I submit that one parent staying home as long as kids are minors should be encouraged. I don't give a rat's ass whether it's the male or female parent, but someone needs to stay home.

If you want to know what changed, it's that. Support. It's gone for more people now than it was in the past. Schools are raising kids rather than parents. It's not about laziness, it's just rolled into that over time.

Bullying happens. Poor performance in school happens. Family deaths happen, as well. The thing is, having someone to turn to makes all the difference. These examples tended to have been willfully ignored by everyone that was supposed to be listening, and it's quite possible they were a little more fragile to begin with.

Same goes for the "professionals" that are meant to treat this stuff. No responsibility taken whatsoever. Medication is a good thing, but not when it's entirely unmanaged. It's not often talked about, but the ill effects from choosing the wrong one are absolutely terrible. One helps you out, one turns you into a monster.

You can't know ahead of time, but with routine observation it's easily spotted. That observation isn't happening. This is a fact. I get that, after a time, one should be able to just call in his prescriptions, but medicine has forgotten how to apply the scientific method.

Indeed, I'm quite comfortable stating for the record that it's no longer a science. That was the last safety net for some of these kids.

Yes, he's a murderer, and yes, he should be treated accordingly; but do not for one second think that I place the blame for his actions on his shoulders. That resides firmly on the community in which he lived, and the media that turns these last acts of defiance into glorious last stands.

He made one choice to follow a terrible path after quite a bit of desperation. They've made thousands.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Blue

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You must be one of those dumb asses. Can we go around again? Better get your insult generator warmed up.

If you think that everyone that owns and AR-15 is a dumbass then you've classified yourself very nicely for the rest of us.
 

kennith

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This was my main point. How many damn red flags must slap you across the face?

No more than the number of dicks required to realize you're in a gay orgy.

...and yet, people still want to avoid reality and hope it just goes away...

Cheers,

Kennith
 

ERover82

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If you think that everyone that owns and AR-15 is a dumbass then you've classified yourself very nicely for the rest of us.

Good.

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brian4d

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Err. Pretty much all handguns that are sold nowadays are semi-auto. :eek:

Time to compare notes. Technically correct, a double action revolver is called just that but is also semi-auto. I was taught (sure others will chime in) a semi-auto handgun has a clip (or magazine) and slide. The way it operates is (spring loaded from the magazine) unique to the name semi-auto handgun or semi-auto pistol.
 

Ballah06

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Time to compare notes. Technically correct, a double action revolver is called just that but is also semi-auto. I was taught (sure others will chime in) a semi-auto handgun has a clip (or magazine) and slide. The way it operates is (spring loaded from the magazine) unique to the name semi-auto handgun or semi-auto pistol.

Getting a bit into the weeds, but a revolver is technically self-loading vs. semi-auto since it does not use the energy of the previous round to cycle the next one into the chamber. Not a fan of revolvers due to their low round capacity, but to each is their own. Suppose immediate action is pretty easy; just keep pulling the trigger till it fires.
 

brian4d

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Getting a bit into the weeds, but a revolver is technically self-loading vs. semi-auto since it does not use the energy of the previous round to cycle the next one into the chamber. Not a fan of revolvers due to their low round capacity, but to each is their own. Suppose immediate action is pretty easy; just keep pulling the trigger till it fires.

So was your initial point Revolvers are not as popular anymore? I don't want to put words into your mouth but just not sure where you were going with that.