I'm just guessing here, but I don't believe the nose of that Defender is going to fair near as well being drug along a trail as the housing of a diff would.
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I'm just guessing here, but I don't believe the nose of that Defender is going to fair near as well being drug along a trail as the housing of a diff would.
I think I'll buy one when I can strip down a 90 to about 45grand. Cause today's 49 is going to have to become 45 eventually. But I'm thinking that won't happen till 2021.
Then some irrelevant plastic will break, or you'll just cut it off/unscrew it if it looks to be an issue. I don't see a problem there. I'm more concerned about how easy or hard it is to get a steel solution on the front for environments where it's justified.
Land Rover knows Australia exists, though. Looking at the full list of options on that thing, they really are trying to make a utility vehicle; rather like a 4WD Transit Connect; even offering a front bench ("jump seat") or removing the center somehow as a pass-through. There's no way they didn't consider a "roo bar" installation down the line.
Wheels go down to 18", and even here in the US you can have steel from the showroom. 18" is a good wheel size off pavement nowadays, because 16" wheels offer more limited tire selections.
I think they've really limited themselves with that tiny rear door, though. That was not a feature that needed to remain, and they should have nutted up and done something about it. I get the side hinges, even if it's a compromise, but I don't see the point of replicating the most useless and limiting facet of the old model. I'll bet that damned thing is stiff enough for barn doors like an E-350.
If they'd done that instead, they wouldn't have those stupid black stripes and lights that look like the ass end of a home-built utility trailer.
Cheers,
Kennith
I would take one of these any day over the new one, BUT it is way more expensive than a new one,
http://kingdom.golf/features/pure-original/
http://kingdom.golf/features/pure-original/
Maybe Tata can just spin off a basic Defender like Mahindra did here with a CJ: https://www.roxoroffroad.com/
Unless Grenadier beats them to it....
Unless Grenadier beats them to it....
That Roxor isn't street legal. Not going to be very useful to 90% of the population
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Couldn't you just make it legal by wiring some lights and adding mirrors? Hell, a Slingshot is legal....
...and OBDII, and emissions, and airbags, and fuel economy, and...
There's a reason LR stopped selling the Defender in the US in the 90s and stopped production all together in 2016.
Spotted this gem in the ordering guide:
http://cdn.ovalnews.com/pdf/L663-Defender-MY20-US-Order-Guide-v1.pdf
http://cdn.ovalnews.com/pdf/L663-Defender-MY20-US-Order-Guide-v1.pdf
Wow you're dumb. My Dad lives in AZ and drives a street legal golf cart. It qualified for Obama's electric car rebate.
Really? You think they can sell hundreds of thousands of those and put them on the street? They’re a bit different than a golf cart.
Start with the fact that it has a diesel with no emissions.
Tell you what - put together a business plan to start a new car company that doesn’t meet ANY of the DOT and EPA rules. Report back on how many investors you get.
ETA: a quick google search says that golf carts fall under the “low Speed vehicle” classification which exempts them from a bunch of regs. The speed varies from state to state, but is generally less than 35mph. Considering the Roxor tops out at 55, it doesn’t qualify.
But sure, I can see how Land Rover could sell millions of Defenders for the next 40 years, that only go 25 mph.
So, you were saying?
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What do Ludacris, Channing Tatum, Guy Fieri, and most retirees have in common? They all drive golf carts.
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I liked the Grenadier videos that were released last week.
"not a homogenized jelly mold SUV"
There are shots of the mule in this one.
This is the kind of vehicle I want to buy.
Those videos (and their website) give no information as to what the the thing will look like.
They show shots of the defender, a series, a Disco and some asian 4x4. Nothing of what they are actually building.
They've got deep pockets, so they might be successful. I'll get interested when they actually have a prototype and not just hype.
There's lots of ways around it. Sell it as a kit car like the Ariel Atom. And don't give me "that's why Land Rover stopped selling the Defender" BS. A D2 is basically a more plush Defender.Really? You think they can sell hundreds of thousands of those and put them on the street? They’re a bit different than a golf cart.
Start with the fact that it has a diesel with no emissions.
Tell you what - put together a business plan to start a new car company that doesn’t meet ANY of the DOT and EPA rules. Report back on how many investors you get.
ETA: a quick google search says that golf carts fall under the “low Speed vehicle” classification which exempts them from a bunch of regs. The speed varies from state to state, but is generally less than 35mph. Considering the Roxor tops out at 55, it doesn’t qualify.
But sure, I can see how Land Rover could sell millions of Defenders for the next 40 years, that only go 25 mph.
So, you were saying?
Golf Carts Can Be Street Legal... Sometimes — Dirt Legal
What do Ludacris, Channing Tatum, Guy Fieri, and most retirees have in common? They all drive golf carts.
I'll tell you what, those Grenadier ads are better than ANYTHING Land Rover has put out for the New Defender. They actually build excitement for the product even though it hasn't been shown at all. And, let's face it, it is going to be VERY hard to put out anything that looks worse than the new Defender. If Ineos makes good on their rugged, simplistic promise and delivers something mildly good looking it will be a success.