2017 Ridgeline

kennith

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I actually noticed the same thing in the video. The Ridgeline driver was "jerky". He didn't keep a steady pedal or maintainin a steady speed and momentum. Let's face it, they weren't rock climbing. It was a steady incline on slightly more than a gravel road.
The Ridgeline driver stopped every time he came to a tiny pebble and felt a little resistance. Then he'd give it some gas, lurch over the pebble, and stop again. Then repeat. Slow and steady would have kept him moving and might have kept the transmission happy.

Yup. Every time he does that, the system has to recalculate and engage all over again; brakes, transmission, clutches... The works.

It's a sure-fire way to heat up a clutch mounted in a transmission. You have to get these things going and then just let them work. Rubbish for rock-crawling, but perfectly fine for what he was trying to do, as well as on sand, mud, snow, and ice.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

brian4d

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I actually noticed the same thing in the video. The Ridgeline driver was "jerky". He didn't keep a steady pedal or maintainin a steady speed and momentum. Let's face it, they weren't rock climbing. It was a steady incline on slightly more than a gravel road.
The Ridgeline driver stopped every time he came to a tiny pebble and felt a little resistance. Then he'd give it some gas, lurch over the pebble, and stop again. Then repeat. Slow and steady would have kept him moving and might have kept the transmission happy.

Yea, I saw that as well, bad technique. I think Toyota used a variant of a forklift transmission in our 3rd Generation 4runner. Again, engineering. Stop go, stop go, it just makes sense for a utility truck.
 

kennith

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Yea, I saw that as well, bad technique. I think Toyota used a variant of a forklift transmission in our 3rd Generation 4runner. Again, engineering. Stop go, stop go, it just makes sense for a utility truck.

You're not going to hurt a wet clutch based system by stopping and going. You can do that all day long; hell, pick up a postal route if you'd like. You'll be fine.

You'll heat it up by doing that on an inclined, variable traction surface with brief elevation changes at very low speeds; basically, precisely what he was doing. The vehicle warned him to stop, and looked to be fine after it cooled off.

Most of their tests are bullshit, in the end. This one is more irritating, though, because I'd really like to have heard Honda or the dealership's response, which I guarantee would be the same: Don't drive it off-pavement like a kid wearing out his first clutch.

The problem they've caused is creating a video that will be widely viewed, that people with low attention spans and poor comprehension will take as gospel, seemingly asserting with authority that the Ridgeline craps out completely off-pavement, which is nonsense.

They didn't even crack the manual to read the notes to the viewers. It's just plain bad reporting, and they're trying too hard to be Top Gear. If I was in charge of whatever department Honda uses for such things, I'd take another Ridgeline right out there, teach him how to drive, and then watch that test performed and filmed again.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Tugela

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If I was in charge of whatever department Honda uses for such things, I'd take another Ridgeline right out there, teach him how to drive, and then watch that test performed and filmed again.

Sounds like you are just the man for the job! Get thee to thy Honda dealership posthaste and pack your video camera.
 

kennith

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Sounds like you are just the man for the job! Get thee to thy Honda dealership posthaste and pack your video camera.

If they paid me I'd do it. I'll bet that vehicle could tackle most of Uwharrie with a little training for the driver, oversight through the trails, and good spotting. I suck at spotting, though.

That said, I don't have a horse in the race, really. The Ridgeline is on the consideration list, but it's got some issues. I don't think I'm going to like the infotainment system at all, and that's a big problem. I also hate push-button start.

It's not the only vehicle on the list, though. Up there near the top are the Outback and a Ram 2500; possibly the 2017 Power Wagon. I've even looked more than twice at the Model X, and I've still got that obsession with the Fiesta Ecoboost.

The Honda is just right in the middle. It's a little bit of all of them put together into something that could be a winner. I've got other vehicles that can accomplish the heavy tasks, I just don't really have a modern daily driver. Thought it might be nice to get a little bit of everything in something comfortable and reasonably compact around town.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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You should get a Miata, the Ridgeline of cars.

A Miata is about the most fun you'll have behind the wheel of a car. That's another one people love to call "girly", and they miss out on roadster perfection as a result.

It doesn't come down to styling opinion at that point. It's coming down to worrying about what others think of you.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Maximumwarp

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A Miata is about the most fun you'll have behind the wheel of a car. That's another one people love to call "girly", and they miss out on roadster perfection as a result.

It doesn't come down to styling opinion at that point. It's coming down to worrying about what others think of you.

Cheers,

Kennith

X2. They're a blast to drive, if you can fit in one.
 

brian4d

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A Miata is about the most fun you'll have behind the wheel of a car. That's another one people love to call "girly", and they miss out on roadster perfection as a result.

It doesn't come down to styling opinion at that point. It's coming down to worrying about what others think of you.

Cheers,

Kennith

Eah, I'd rather the RX-7 or RX-8.
 

garrett

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A Miata is about the most fun you'll have behind the wheel of a car. That's another one people love to call "girly", and they miss out on roadster perfection as a result.

It doesn't come down to styling opinion at that point. It's coming down to worrying about what others think of you.

Cheers,

Kennith

I work at Summit Point race track/Bill Scott Racing and they have a pretty huge Spec Miata class there. Quite a few instructors have them as well - as track cars and DD vehicles. They aren't considered "girly" there at all. I'd like to have one, but I am maxing out what I need for now as it is. I joined the SCCA when I was 18 and learned a shit ton how to keep a underpowered FWD car "fun" via my '84 VW GTI.
 

K-rover

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An SCCA spec miata is different than driving one around town with the top off listing to Justin Bieber!
I can appreciate that they are a basic fun drive car, but not a fan of the looks. The new 2017's aren't as bad looking. I admit miatas are the cheapest way to get into auto racing.
 

garrett

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An SCCA spec miata is different than driving one around town with the top off listing to Justin Bieber!
I can appreciate that they are a basic fun drive car, but not a fan of the looks. The new 2017's aren't as bad looking. I admit miatas are the cheapest way to get into auto racing.

You owned a Mazda 3 correct? I bet more dudes on Grindr have those than new Miata's. Just ask Jimmy.
 

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Much improved
 

K-rover

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You owned a Mazda 3 correct? I bet more dudes on Grindr have those than new Miata's. Just ask Jimmy.
Haha.. I'll take your word on that.. you seem to be very knowledgeable in that area! Sorry I made fun of Justin Beiber.. must have struck a nerve! :rofl::victory:
 

kennith

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Here's another wonderful example of the TFL guys not knowing their shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGanBcKk_g&ab_channel=TheFastLaneTruck

Ignoring the driving this time, we can concentrate on the recovery; but more important than that, the recovered vehicle. First, the idiot clearly crashed into a ditch and plowed snow. He was clearly high centered as fuck. That's on his own ass, not the car's.

Second, it was a fucking Evoque. Again, TFL doesn't give the full story. That should have been explained to hell and back.

Their review of the Ridgeline can be safely ignored, as noted.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Maximumwarp

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Here's another wonderful example of the TFL guys not knowing their shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGanBcKk_g&ab_channel=TheFastLaneTruck

Ignoring the driving this time, we can concentrate on the recovery; but more important than that, the recovered vehicle. First, the idiot clearly crashed into a ditch and plowed snow. He was clearly high centered as fuck. That's on his own ass, not the car's.

Second, it was a fucking Evoque. Again, TFL doesn't give the full story. That should have been explained to hell and back.

Their review of the Ridgeline can be safely ignored, as noted.

Cheers,

Kennith

It was just a dude in a ditch that they happened across. They weren't testing the Evoque. They don't purport themselves to be recovery experts, or any experts for that matter. They're just automotive journalists. I like their Ike Gauntlet videos, they do a pretty thorough job trying to test and compare the trucks fairly.
 

emmodg

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The Miata is the most raced car in amateur racing in the US. They are a blast to drive! They're not the best looking cars out there but they're a blast.