It feels like quality when you open and close doors and what have you. Vinyl floor looks great.
Drives good, feels solid
Drives good, feels solid
2020 Defender
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I still think the price is way off for the numbers that JLR said they need to sell to make it a success.
Want to see how large a tire you can fit on it for daily use?
That's nice, but you can say that about almost any new car. That's not what made the Defender desirable.
Absolutely. I had a Chevy Equinox as a company car for a while at my last job. It was complete garbage even fresh off the transporter from GM. Panels not lining up properly (body and interior), hollow-sounding doors, etc. etc. But of course it cost a little less than half of what a new Defender stickers for, so. You get what you pay for.
Yes, let's focus on the important things in a utility vehicle, like how the doors sound when they shut.
Have you ever touched one yet? This is what the purists have always done. When the P38 launched everyone hated it, loved the classic.
What are the more important stuff we should be looking at?Don't tell me it's what some fucking English as a second language dork said in some u tube video.
Everyone still hates the P38.
What should we be looking at? I don't know, maybe the stuff that you look for in any vehicle at the far end of the spectrum of utility 4x4s.
What should we be looking at? I don't know, maybe the stuff that you look for in any vehicle at the far end of the spectrum of utility 4x4s.
I'm sure it's a very capable vehicle, but to me, it's the how. I guess I'm old school but I don't want to get in a car and press a bunch of buttons and have it drive for me. And, all those touchscreen options come with a lot of complexity. That doesn't seem to lend itself to a vehicle that is built to go offroad. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought one of the selling points of LR's were they were built is such a way that repairs in the field were doable. Those days are gone. And lastly, LR doesn't have a stellar reputation for reliability and they just released the most complex truck they've ever produced.
When you think about an ideal off-road rig what traits come to mind? Where does luxury rank? Because that's what the new Defender is isn't it, a luxurious off-road vehicle.
When you think about an ideal off-road rig what traits come to mind? Where does luxury rank? Because that's what the new Defender is isn't it, a luxurious off-road vehicle.
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Whats not to like about a P38? It was just too much technology for a bunch of dumbasses.
I did that and I like it. You never saw one and have decided it's a piece of shit. So when I wan't to know something about something I just look for someone who's never seen the fucking thing and ask him.
I think recently the P38 is starting to look good because the current Land Rover products are shit. They are diluting the Range Rover name so much, many people can’t tell the difference between the models. A P38 is still instantly recognizable as a Range Rover. No one looks at the new Defender and says that it looks like a Defender. Despite what Land Rover claims, the new defender is not instantly recognizable like the Jeep Wrangler or Mercedes G Class.
Hum, kinda the whole concept of a Range Rover isn’t it?
Not sure about the Defender as haven’t seen one yet.
Justin at Lucky 8 has one on the way, curious to see what he does with it. It should appear at some events.
IDK, I never considered the RR as a off-roader, saw the Discovery I/II, LR3/4 as filling that niche. That said I do see modded RR's wheeling in tube vids so I'll give you that. Given LR is seeking a government loan to stay afloat how's that ( luxury off-roader) worked out for them?
It has been the basis for the Rangie from the beginning.
This was the Great Divide trip to intro ABS brakes in 1989 for the USA.
There are other examples.
The dilution of the Rangie brand is a different topic, yet, a luxury Off-Roader always was the concept.