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Blueboy

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Check out CO TRAILS on Youtube.

Here is another guy in Colorado - from Denver Land Rover - who actually took it up some decent trails and gives it a good workout.
The first one is without the rear locker and has the stock 20' rims and Goodyear All-Terrain tires.


They then - LR Denver- put some 18" rims, 2" lift and 33" Toyo MT's on another one with the Off-Road Package and rear locker.
Pretty impressive.

Much tougher test than any trail I've seen TFL run.
Yes. And nicely produced. My quick observation is it seems even with a rear locker forward motion is very jerky.
 

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DiscoHasBeen

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Beyond the Bronco, Grenadier, etc, yet another more pragmatic option for trails coming to USA.


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Looks cool, but yikes...
 

DiscoHasBeen

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Check out CO TRAILS on Youtube.

Here is another guy in Colorado - from Denver Land Rover - who actually took it up some decent trails and gives it a good workout.
The first one is without the rear locker and has the stock 20' rims and Goodyear All-Terrain tires.


They then - LR Denver- put some 18" rims, 2" lift and 33" Toyo MT's on another one with the Off-Road Package and rear locker.
Pretty impressive.

Much tougher test than any trail I've seen TFL run.
So, as someone who works where rules are in place but a lot of the time there is no one there to enforce them, the Red Cone trail. It appears it's one way at some points, as it should be. I'd bet my left nut people have come down that trail the wrong way, because people are mooks. So I would wonder how that was handled. It would appear someone had to back up.... a long fucking way. I'd just have to assume there have been fisticuffs/harsh words exchanged on that trail.
 
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bri

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Check out CO TRAILS on Youtube.

Here is another guy in Colorado - from Denver Land Rover - who actually took it up some decent trails and gives it a good workout.
The first one is without the rear locker and has the stock 20' rims and Goodyear All-Terrain tires.


They then - LR Denver- put some 18" rims, 2" lift and 33" Toyo MT's on another one with the Off-Road
So, as someone who works where rules are in place but a lot of the time there is no one there to enforce them, the Red Cone trail. It appears it's one way at some points, as it should be. I'd bet my left nut people have come down that trail the wrong way, because people are mooks. So I would wonder how that was handled. It would appear someone had to back up.... a long fucking way. I'd just have to assume there have been fisticuffs/harsh words exchanged on that trail.
Done it many times. Never seen anyone do it in reverse. You would need a Megaton of horsepower and luck to get up the cone as it is very steep skree. Never exchanged any harsh words.
 

Blueboy

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Yesterday at local ski resort actually saw a black 110 leaving the area. Really indistinctive. Only truly realized it was a new 110 when seeing the rear brake lights go on. Good to see one out and about yet wow. It really is bland. Just imho.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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Done it many times. Never seen anyone do it in reverse. You would need a Megaton of horsepower and luck to get up the cone as it is very steep skree. Never exchanged any harsh words.
That's surprising. As I said, as someone who's worked his whole life at places where there are posted rules, but not someone there to enforce them at all times, my experience is that people feel they apply to others, not them. And that sign isn't very intimidating.
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bri

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That's surprising. As I said, as someone who's worked his whole life at places where there are posted rules, but not someone there to enforce them at all times, my experience is that people feel they apply to others, not them. And that sign isn't very intimidating.
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Just sayin what I have experienced, as I have done that trail 10 times or more. I've seen ATV endo nearly all the way down that hill.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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Just sayin what I have experienced, as I have done that trail 10 times or more. I've seen ATV endo nearly all the way down that hill.
I believe you. That said I feel it's had to have happened, don't have much faith in my fellow man I guess. Watching the vid there are more places to get off the road than it looked like in the other vid. On the other hand, there are some places where a simple breakdown could lead to a disappointing day for a lot of people. Beautiful trail though.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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My quick observation is it seems even with a rear locker forward motion is very jerky.
That's because it's all controlled by a computer. So it's waiting for input. Which wheel is spinning and which aren't, then applying force to the appropriate wheel.
 

DiscoHasBeen

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Yes, I know how the system works. Just somewhat surprised it is that jerky with the latest software.
I don't think the system could work any other way. If it tried to react to every little slip of a tire it would be a clusterfuck. It makes sense to me that the system has to wait until it determines that a tire has in fact lost traction. That's going to make for a certain amount of lag.

What I find disappointing about the rig, and have alluded to it many times, is the continuous repeating of those driving "I have yet to touch the brakes or the throttle". It's like "driving" one of the Jeeps on Jurassic Park. That's not my idea of a good time on the trails.
 

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I don't think the system could work any other way. If it tried to react to every little slip of a tire it would be a clusterfuck. It makes sense to me that the system has to wait until it determines that a tire has in fact lost traction. That's going to make for a certain amount of lag.

What I find disappointing about the rig, and have alluded to it many times, is the continuous repeating of those driving "I have yet to touch the brakes or the throttle". It's like "driving" one of the Jeeps on Jurassic Park. That's not my idea of a good time on the trails.
Actually it could. The articulation sucks, big time. It's always using herky jerky traction control because there's always at least one wheel off the ground. It's constantly losing forward momentum because it loses traction, has to wait for the computers to figure it then it lunges forward a foot until there's a rock on the other side, and the whole process repeats.
Sure traction control is neat, but running trails with it has got to be nauseating.
 

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Their justification for the Pretender's authenticity is driving it like a rally car, jumping it like an RC car, and taking photos at multiple angles? What does this have to do with transporting equipment or personnel in rough environments (where you don't take dumb risks like jumps or excessive speed), being easy to repair and maintain, highly configurable, and relatively inexpensive?

And then essentially admits it's a Discovery.
" Die-hards are arguably right to say that this isn’t a direct successor. The distinction, I realized after beating it up one side of Monticello’s course and down the other, is that while it’s certainly gotten softer, it’s a long, long way from being soft. "

The comments are puzzling too. People praising how much more usable it is, without realizing that every modern car is more usable, and that the original was never intended to be usable for people like them, but for a niche with few competitors.