Guys, he wants first hand experience, all of you dont know what you are talking about because you dont have a Detroit in the front of your rig
Anyone using a Detroit in front?
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jasonmk12 said:
I know, my last post was to be sarcastic, thank you justin, was your "Im with stupid" flag for me?
How the hell do you guys make all those cool smilies?
Jason k
WTF is wrong with you assholes?
I asked a specific question in a specific way.
I did it on purpose.
This site is more overloaded with e-geniuses (with little or no actual experiential knowledge) than any I've ever used.
I asked for actual first hand experience in an effort to weed out this bullshit.
I have an idea, it may work or may not.
I have actual first hand knowledge that points to the possibility of success. Possibility, OK?
I didn't want a bunch of opinions, I merely wanted to hear from anyone who might have tried this.
It took all of 3 minutes for the first know-nothing comment/opinion to emerge.
The floodgates opened shortly afterward.
Is this so hard to understand?
It's actually pretty simple.
If you have never used a Detroit, you have nothing to add here.
If you think a LSD is all that's needed for offroad, you have nothing to add here.
If your knowledge is limited to, "I read it on the interweb so it must be gospel", you have nothing to add here.
Get it?
Or is your life so pathetically empty that you feel the desperate need to comment on something you know nothing about, even when specifically asked not to?
Got post count?
I asked a specific question in a specific way.
I did it on purpose.
This site is more overloaded with e-geniuses (with little or no actual experiential knowledge) than any I've ever used.
I asked for actual first hand experience in an effort to weed out this bullshit.
I have an idea, it may work or may not.
I have actual first hand knowledge that points to the possibility of success. Possibility, OK?
I didn't want a bunch of opinions, I merely wanted to hear from anyone who might have tried this.
It took all of 3 minutes for the first know-nothing comment/opinion to emerge.
The floodgates opened shortly afterward.
Is this so hard to understand?
It's actually pretty simple.
If you have never used a Detroit, you have nothing to add here.
If you think a LSD is all that's needed for offroad, you have nothing to add here.
If your knowledge is limited to, "I read it on the interweb so it must be gospel", you have nothing to add here.
Get it?
Or is your life so pathetically empty that you feel the desperate need to comment on something you know nothing about, even when specifically asked not to?
Got post count?
this only occurs when there is not pressure on the carrierkid4lyf said:
meaning that if your foot is on the throttle, it will stay locked and not ratchet. Wheeling in Moab is a great example of this, you go from sandy low traction section to high traction slickrock and the detriots stay locked until the load is released off of the pinion.
no it would not be a "good" candidate for a DD, even more so if the vehicle was equipt w/ a front and rear DT. AWD vehicles regularly change torque load from front to rear. this being the case you would constantly be locking either the front or rear axle. much like driving w/ welded spools (aka Lincoln lockers). would it be "driveable" yes... would it be pleasant to drive... nopekid4lyf said:
i just gave you some so tread lightly w/ the insults.kid4lyf said:
i rebuild broken Detriots, so when you try it and it doesnt work, keep me in mind, i'll take all your broken parts
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gil stevens
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kid4lyf said:
its probably that "when asked not to" that opened the flood gates, that and your overly cordial attitude.. dildo :yawn:
we are playing nice at this point... look, there is no one on here that has ran this setup for a reason. I highly doubt even pirate guys have ran it with this t-case. But since you seen so adamant to find someone somewhere who has done it go try over there. www.pirate4x4.com.
This opinion actually shows some knowledge, unlike most of the above.marc olivares said:this only occurs when there is not pressure on the carrier
meaning that if your foot is on the throttle, it will stay locked and not ratchet. Wheeling in Moab is a great example of this, you go from sandy low traction section to high traction slickrock and the detriots stay locked until the load is released off of the pinion.
no it would not be a "good" candidate for a DD, even more so if the vehicle was equipt w/ a front and rear DT. AWD vehicles regularly change torque load from front to rear. this being the case you would constantly be locking either the front or rear axle. much like driving w/ welded spools (aka Lincoln lockers). would it be "driveable" yes... would it be pleasant to drive... nope
i just gave you some so tread lightly w/ the insults.
i rebuild broken Detriots, so when you try it and it doesnt work, keep me in mind, i'll take all your broken parts
Appreciated.
Actually, the Detroit should stay unlocked until the "slow" wheel speed exceeds the "fast" one but yes, turning under accelleration would be the main issue.
How much of an issue was the reason for the thread.
Jeeps, Sammys, and Toys running F&R Detroits are far from rare.
I've driven some and the handling in 4WD isn't bad at all, nothing remotely like an ARB or spool.
Definately nothing like has been described by most posters here.
That's what caused me to consider this. (It's also what made it so obvious that most of the posters in here have no real knowledge about the issue. They're just plain wrong.)
I was merely looking for info on anyone who may have tried this in a Disco.
but it isn't your house, is it?
You clearly have no idea of how a Detroit works. It has nothing to do with "speed."kid4lyf said:
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gil stevens
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kid4lyf said:
bla bla bla douche bag..
kid4lyf said:
and whats the difference here mr smart guy with an attitude? ohhh right, PERMANENT 4 wheel drive.. you could put a f*ckin cleveland locker in the front of those rigs and it wouldnt matter on road because they are 2WD!! nice effort though.. jackass
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kid4lyf said:
Shit Marc, did you know you had some knowledge?
All this time, and it took this post for us to realize you had some knowledge.
gil stevens said:bla bla bla douche bag..
and whats the difference here mr smart guy with an attitude? ohhh right, PERMANENT 4 wheel drive.. you could put a f*ckin cleveland locker in the front of those rigs and it wouldnt matter on road because they are 2WD!! nice effort though.. jackass
Reading is an art, fuckstick.kid4lyf said:
Work on it.
To head off your next idiot post, a vehicle in 4WD has the same handling characteristics as you Disco in "permanent 4 wheel drive"
I think the main point of Gil's comment is that, unlike most jeeps, and all Samis and Toys, you don't have an option to disconnect the front hubs while you're on ths street.
(I'd be eternally grateful to you if you found me an aftermarket front lockout hub kit for a Rover axle.)
So... my guess (zero-knowledge guess) is that you'll have to convert the LT230 for part-time operation if you use Detroit in front. That is possible. You'll still have some annoying handling quirks with the front axle disengaged (with part-time converted case), but bearable.
(I'd be eternally grateful to you if you found me an aftermarket front lockout hub kit for a Rover axle.)
So... my guess (zero-knowledge guess) is that you'll have to convert the LT230 for part-time operation if you use Detroit in front. That is possible. You'll still have some annoying handling quirks with the front axle disengaged (with part-time converted case), but bearable.
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gil stevens
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kid4lyf said:
no shit moron, but the issue with a detroit in the front of a disco is ON-ROAD.. much more so then off.
oh wait, you unsubscribed.. so i guess you wont be reading this. good luck with the detroit. :nopity:
Might be comparing apples and oranges here, but once after losing a rear dive shaft on my Scout, I had to drive home in 'front wheel drive'. The Scout has a Detroit in the front and it was VERY scary. Every time there was a change in torque by either hitting the gas or letting off the gas (even very slight changes), the Detroit would engage/disengage and want to send me into the other lane.
Now with the disco's AWD xfercase, it could be a similar experience IF the majority of the power were sent to the front axle. Either way, I would be sceptical of driving this every day, especially if you get snow!
I would also guess that it would be hard on the stock Disco CV joints/axles doing this, but that is probably a different can of worms.
But if you have a spare Detroit and plenty of time, give it a go and let us know how it works.
Now with the disco's AWD xfercase, it could be a similar experience IF the majority of the power were sent to the front axle. Either way, I would be sceptical of driving this every day, especially if you get snow!
I would also guess that it would be hard on the stock Disco CV joints/axles doing this, but that is probably a different can of worms.
But if you have a spare Detroit and plenty of time, give it a go and let us know how it works.