Bear Hunting - With a Spear

[msggunny]

Very well put!

I get tired of people beating their chest with anger over another man's concern for an animal.

I climbed Everest because I can.
I built a stupid fast car because I can.
I wear a big Rolex because I can.
I wore a clown suit to work because I can.
I killed an animal with a spear because I can.

If you don't see the absurdity in that last statement you have a lot of growing up to do.

Spears have been use to kill animals since the dawn of time.

Why use a "primitive" long bow when you can use a highly sophisticated compound? Why use a bow at all when you can use a rifle? why even hunt when you can go to the supermarket and buy a steak?

Because you can.

 

[emmodg]

Spears have been use to kill animals since the dawn of time.

Why use a "primitive" long bow when you can use a highly sophisticated compound? Why use a bow at all when you can use a rifle? why even hunt when you can go to the supermarket and buy a steak?

Because you can.

We dropped the club when we invented the spear. We dropped spears because they're archaic and inaccurate and we had bows and then guns.

We used sailing ships in the navy - Why not use them again? We have high tech sails now. We could make destroyers into cats with sails!

The compound bow is more accurate. It sends the arrow faster and farther. It allows a hunter to be more lethal. It's so much easier to kill and not maim an animal with a compound. That's why we use them.

I hunt grouse, pheasant and dove. The first "game" I ever hunted was dove. I had an H&R single shot 20 and spent the better part of a day on the edge of a cornfield and didn't hit one bird! I was 12. The first time I ever hunted "big' game was deer. Never, ever hunted one before. I sat at the base of a tree and shot and killed the second deer I saw. Never hunted them since. I was around 18 and was using a slug gun. I hunt for sport. I can go to the grocery store and buy whatever I want to eat. When I do hunt I try and stack the odds as much as I possibly can to KILL the animal. I owe it to the game AND sport. To do that I use a gun. (a 16 and a 12 gauge) I suppose I could use some kind of archaic weapon just to see if I could do it but why? I could use a blunderbuss gun but why possibly make an animal suffer just to see if I "could" do it? It makes little to no sense. If a man is hungry then your goddam right! Use whatever you can -within the law - to feed yourself and family. Some overgrown punk with $200 worth of camo on and a fucking spear with a GoPro is faaaaaar from "wanting" and far from a sportsman.

 

[ERover82]

spears and go-pros have not been use to kill animals for curiosity, novelty, and internet grandstanding since the dawn of time.

ftfy

 

[Drillbit]

SOP for shooting deer, etc. with a bow is to wait 15-30 minutes before tracking it to allow it to lay down and bleed out vs. getting it amped up and running on adrenaline. They left it overnight because it was dark and didn't want to go into the night after a wounded bear. That is not uncommon, nor unethical, either - to go back the next day to track in daylight. in this case, it was about safety (it was bow season, so no one (should) had guns).

I see nothing wrong with what this guy did.

Edit: the go pro issue? He makes part of his living off of videoing his hunts. If you've got an issue with this guy, then I guess the Outdoor Channel is Satan incarnate.

I wait 15-20 minutes before tracking a deer. I walked up on the first deer I shot that was down and couldn't get up and was still breathing. I shot it in the back of the head and killed it because I'm not a dick who wants animals to suffer. It looked pretty light to me in the video and if it fell in 160 feet like he says then I doubt darkness fell that quick. I don't really care for the outdoor channel. I don't hate it but it seems to be populated by guys like this. People overly excited about killing something. I remember seeing Jared Allen from the Vikings throw a spear into a hog who was eating at a feeder under his tree stand. I don't get it, what are you proving?

 

[emmodg]

I wait 15-20 minutes before tracking a deer. I walked up on the first deer I shot that was down and couldn't get up and was still breathing. I shot it in the back of the head and killed it because I'm not a dick who wants animals to suffer. It looked pretty light to me in the video and if it fell in 160 feet like he says then I doubt darkness fell that quick. I don't really care for the outdoor channel. I don't hate it but it seems to be populated by guys like this. People overly excited about killing something. I remember seeing Jared Allen from the Vikings throw a spear into a hog who was eating at a feeder under his tree stand. I don't get it, what are you proving?

It's the same "overly-macho-tactical-fuck-you-the-man" attitude that's invaded the SPORT of hunting. It's no longer about the game and the wait - It's about "gear" and looking bad-ass!

 

[seventyfive]

It's the same "overly-macho-tactical-fuck-you-the-man" attitude that's invaded the SPORT of hunting. It's no longer about the game and the wait - It's about "gear" and looking bad-ass!

our society in general.

Go tactical or go home. How many times per day do you see a grown man wearing tactical pants, beard, and Velcro hat and you know he's a poseur?

How many times have you seen a grown man wearing swim fins taped to his legs with no beard no Velcro hat and a t-shirt that says 'so others may live'?

In other words men in our society would rather be viewed as billy bad ass ready to get tactical and murder something instead of constantly being on the lookout to save something.

We're becoming more and more bankrupt morally and it's a big business for the tacticool retailers.

Huntin is fine. Sport hunting is dumb.

 

[msggunny]

our society in general.

Go tactical or go home. How many times per day do you see a grown man wearing tactical pants, beard, and Velcro hat and you know he's a poseur?

How many times have you seen a grown man wearing swim fins taped to his legs with no beard no Velcro hat and a t-shirt that says 'so others may live'?

In other words men in our society would rather be viewed as billy bad ass ready to get tactical and murder something instead of constantly being on the lookout to save something.

We're becoming more and more bankrupt morally and it's a big business for the tacticool retailers.

Huntin is fine. Sport hunting is dumb.

Sport hunting is dumb, hunting should be done for 1 thing: procuring meat. I will say that I hunted in South Africa and its the only time I have ever not eaten what I have killed. It didn't sit well with me, but i still have the trophies mounted on my wall. The meat did, however, go to the local community and that made it feel a bit better.

The Tacti-cool shit is out of control. Every vet or pseudo vet around here has the "contractor starter kit" look going on. Beard, 5.11's, boots and "look at me because America!" hats. Anyone who buys 5.11 gear is a douche until proven otherwise in my mind for several reasons but the biggest one is because of the poser factor. I'm one of the only guys at my work who isn't sporting a tactical beard or wearing 5.11's with a polo tucked in. Not saying i don't have 5.11's, i do but they were issued to me and I only wear them when i am doing work that requires them. Not sitting around listening to briefs or other admin bull shit.

The days of the quiet professional is over, mostly. You can thank all the SEAL's and their book deals for that.

 

[seventyfive]

gunny,

I don't blame the frogmen so much as their superiors. It's been 20 years since I worked with them. I can say 20 years ago they absolutely positively did not speak outside the community about what happened inside the community. Their we're always sailors that wrote books but the market is flooded now. Personally I'm glad the state department ceased the assets of this last book. The unfortunate downside is it just feeds the anti government attitude among the conspiracy theorists.
Personally I feel frogmen get too much attention but I think it's the overwhelming glorification of what they do. There are a lot of dedicated personnel doing a lot more than just eliminating bad guys but the marketing people know nobody wants to read about that. Just the super extreme tactical operations. Like I said you don't see too many fat fucks at Buffalo Wild Wings dressed up like a search and rescue swimmer or donning a bomb suit do you?


In our society it's kill kill kill.

To bring this back to topic I did find a promo shot of Bass Masters new tactical fishing clothing line.

 

[msggunny]

 

[emmodg]

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[rovercanus]

It's the same "overly-macho-tactical-fuck-you-the-man" attitude that's invaded the SPORT of hunting. It's no longer about the game and the wait - It's about "gear" and looking bad-ass!

Like clothes shopping at Orvis.

 

[emmodg]

I worked with NSW, CAG, MARSOC, blah, blah, blah... MOST of them are nothing short of gentlemen - professionals who serve our country. Some were there for the t-shirt and those guys were always identified by their teammates and watched accordingly. I have nothing but good things to say about 99.9999999999999999% of the SEALs and other SF that i had the privilege to help make better!

I had a young SEAL mouthing off about Obama once while training, he mentioned how he thought "secrets" were being leaked to the detriment of NSW. The supervisor of this class put a cork in the young SEALs' mouth by mentioning that there wasn't a politician alive who was "giving away secrets" and "leaking to the press" more than the ever-growing number of SEALs writing books and going on speaking tours! As an aside - I can count the number of NSW and CAG guys on one hand who dressed like an "operator-contractor-bad ass". Most wore surf t-shirts, jeans, and MX hats. I trained many'a civil affairs dude that thought he was Jason Bourne with a side of Chris Kyle!

 

[seventyfive]

we that worked with them know them. It's definitely the gsa and law enforcement people dressing in the polo and 5 11.

jb, ironically I just went on a rant the other day about this. the old 'back in my day tactical meant hi tech boots, Vietnam era jungle fatigue pants, and a 17th street surf shop t-shirt

 

[D Chapman]

We dropped the club when we invented the spear. We dropped spears because they're archaic and inaccurate and we had bows and then guns.

We used sailing ships in the navy - Why not use them again? We have high tech sails now. We could make destroyers into cats with sails!

The compound bow is more accurate. It sends the arrow faster and farther. It allows a hunter to be more lethal. It's so much easier to kill and not maim an animal with a compound. That's why we use them.

There's a lot of bullshit in here.

Do we drop the compound bow because the crossbow has been refined? It still shoots an arrow, it's faster, arguably more accurate, easier to handle and shoot... So do we get rid of compound bow hunting now?

Or why do we even hunt with bows at all? The rifle is much more advanced. If we've gotten rid of hunting with clubs, rocks, and spears, why not shit-can the bow as well? It's so old skool.

How about flintlocks? Some states still have a flintlock season. WTF?! Foot traps, snares, body grippers, hand traps, conibears.... fuck, what do you think about dealfall traps? Oh the horror! And don't you dare use some bait to lure your game into these traps, that's very unsportsmanlike. With all this high tech shit we have these days like guns shooting projectiles 4,000fps, hollow point ammo, 50mm optics, rifled and fluted barrels, why would anyone use any sort of primitive equipment, that would be like using a spear to kill a bear in the woods. That's just unimaginable.

Can you imagine the fucking horror and outrage if someone used a god dammed cane-pole to catch a fish? Holy shit! Just think, we could probably start WWIII if someone used a Hawaiian Sling to spear a fish.

Fuck, imagine this bullshit - someone using a wooden boat equipped with a 2-stroke engine. You think that's some outdated primitive nonsense, what if that motherfucker was fishing with a Zebco 33 reel, a fiberglass pole, and some DuPont .052 fluorescent with a motherfucking J-hook with barbs and he used live black crickets for bait AND he had a beard? Someone call Captain Paul Watson because this shit if getting out of hand!

.....and some think it's unethical to leave an animal in the woods overnight? Really?

 

[SGaynor]

There's a lot of bullshit in here.

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[emmodg]

There's a lot of bullshit in here.

Do we drop the compound bow because the crossbow has been refined? It still shoots an arrow, it's faster, arguably more accurate, easier to handle and shoot... So do we get rid of compound bow hunting now?

Did I argue that we drop the compound bow? Did I? Show me where.

Or why do we even hunt with bows at all? The rifle is much more advanced. If we've gotten rid of hunting with clubs, rocks, and spears, why not shit-can the bow as well? It's so old skool.

How about flintlocks? Some states still have a flintlock season. WTF?! Foot traps, snares, body grippers, hand traps, conibears.... fuck, what do you think about dealfall traps? Oh the horror! And don't you dare use some bait to lure your game into these traps, that's very unsportsmanlike. With all this high tech shit we have these days like guns shooting projectiles 4,000fps, hollow point ammo, 50mm optics, rifled and fluted barrels, why would anyone use any sort of primitive equipment, that would be like using a spear to kill a bear in the woods. That's just unimaginable.

Did I argue against trapping? Show me where.

Can you imagine the fucking horror and outrage if someone used a god dammed cane-pole to catch a fish? Holy shit! Just think, we could probably start WWIII if someone used a Hawaiian Sling to spear a fish.

I use a can rod. I use many of them. A rod holds a line, on the end of that line is a lure. There has been NO invention to land a fish -or receive a strike - BETTER than one man with a pole. Be it cane, graphite or fiberglass. You are totally missing the my point and I think you know that. Show me where I argue against using a fishing pole? Cane or any other.

Fuck, imagine this bullshit - someone using a wooden boat equipped with a 2-stroke engine. You think that's some outdated primitive nonsense, what if that motherfucker was fishing with a Zebco 33 reel, a fiberglass pole, and some DuPont .052 fluorescent with a motherfucking J-hook with barbs and he used live black crickets for bait AND he had a beard? Someone call Captain Paul Watson because this shit if getting out of hand!

Wow! You're either drunk or you've been standing too close to the smoker! What does a fucking fishing boat have to do with "sport"?

.....and some think it's unethical to leave an animal in the woods overnight? Really?

I don't. You should reply to people who have argued that. Not me. ESPECIALLY if it's dead. If its a wounded animal and you have no other reasonable means of retrieving and dispatching it humanely before nightfall than I would hope you have an excuse other than "I didn't feel like tracking it." or "I didn't know I hit it." or "Fuck it. It was a button buck anyway" or "It's just a dove, grouse, duck, bird". By the way - every single one of those "excuses" are actual excuses given to a warden in the RWMA. Dan, your an intelligent man. I truly do believe you know the difference between a man tying a fucking gopro to a spear in an attempt to kill a bear and a man using a cane pole to catch a fish. I really do.

 

[SGaynor]

Is the possibility of being mauled by the animal you wounded for no other reason than you wanting to see if "you could kill it with a spear" part of the sport? I'm trying to uncover the sport and no one seems to be able to find it.

Yes, it very much is.

It's the main reason hunting African big game is the pinnacle of "sport" hunting. The hunter isn't always the victor.

See: Bring Enough Gun, Death in the Tall Grass, etc.

Using primitive weapons against dangerous game is always truly "sporting."

Why do you think Fred Bear was such a bad ass? One of the few (first?) to hunt dangerous game (Grizz, polar bear, elephant, lion, Cape Buff). If you don't think that hunting dangerous game with just a spear or bow at <30 yards isn't truly sporting, then, IMO, you just have an issue with hunting in general.

To go into the field and not really know if you, or your prey, will be the winner? That's sport.

Bird hunting? Do you really think the bird will win one day?

(BTW - upland bird hunting is my first/main love, so I'm not saying it's bad)


Edit: Look at Jimjet in the first picture of his Afrika thread with a Cape Buff. I believe he used a .458. Still, look at the size of that thing. Now do that with a "primative" bow. Which is more "sporting?"

Post from that thread:

yes.
i think it would be the other way around.
you start out as the leopard hunter
and then get your face peeled off from behind.
and realize he was realy hunting you the whole time.

in my walk and stalks by myself in africa in mountain areas i came across rocky areas that smelled like cat piss.then i noticed cat tracks ,, big ones.
scared the shit out of me.i ran home to mamma (camp).
the guys laughed at me when they were sober.then they get drunk and happen to mention harry down the block who had his face peeled off.
the blind sounds good to me.
i know a guy who sat in a tree stand blind for lion.
an elephant started eating the tree they were in and then pushed it over.

jim

 

[D Chapman]

There's a lot of bullshit in here.

Do we drop the compound bow because the crossbow has been refined? It still shoots an arrow, it's faster, arguably more accurate, easier to handle and shoot... So do we get rid of compound bow hunting now?

Did I argue that we drop the compound bow? Did I? Show me where.

You said this: "We dropped the club when we invented the spear. We dropped spears because they're archaic and inaccurate and we had bows and then guns."

We dropped the club when the spear was invented. As in the spear was more-better or something. Perhaps the spear in your mind was a better tool for killing something. Perhaps you're right. Then we got rid of the spear for something even better, the bow and arrow. The bow and arrow was more accurate than the spear and we stopped using the spear. Or at least so you say. All these tools are primitive and the bow, spear, sword, sling-shot, catapult....were all used to kill during the same time period.

So no, you did not specifically say you should replace the compound bow. However, your logic, reasoning, argument, ro whatever you want to call it suggests that a spear is so outdated that no one should ever use one to kill ever again because we now have available more-better weapons available. If a spear is outdated why is a bow-and-arrow not outdated now since we have guns? Where's your logic?

Or why do we even hunt with bows at all? The rifle is much more advanced. If we've gotten rid of hunting with clubs, rocks, and spears, why not shit-can the bow as well? It's so old skool.

How about flintlocks? Some states still have a flintlock season. WTF?! Foot traps, snares, body grippers, hand traps, conibears.... fuck, what do you think about dealfall traps? Oh the horror! And don't you dare use some bait to lure your game into these traps, that's very unsportsmanlike. With all this high tech shit we have these days like guns shooting projectiles 4,000fps, hollow point ammo, 50mm optics, rifled and fluted barrels, why would anyone use any sort of primitive equipment, that would be like using a spear to kill a bear in the woods. That's just unimaginable.

Did I argue against trapping? Show me where.

No you didn't argue about trapping. You argued about using primitive hunting techniques. It does not get anymore primitive than trapping. A foot or hand trap can capture and hold an animal for hours on end. Is that not some sort of torture to those who think man should kill an animal swiftly and quickly? Is putting bait, whether that bait is food or scent designed to lure the animal in, by the trap unethical? Is that some form of cheating or something? And who eats fox or coyote or skunk or coon anyway?

Can you imagine the fucking horror and outrage if someone used a god dammed cane-pole to catch a fish? Holy shit! Just think, we could probably start WWIII if someone used a Hawaiian Sling to spear a fish.

I use a can rod. I use many of them. A rod holds a line, on the end of that line is a lure. There has been NO invention to land a fish -or receive a strike - BETTER than one man with a pole. Be it cane, graphite or fiberglass. You are totally missing the my point and I think you know that. Show me where I argue against using a fishing pole? Cane or any other.

There is no better way to land fish than a fishing pole? What? How about a large fishing net? How about fish traps? These methods of fishing are far more effective than one-man-one-pole and probably a lot less stressful to the fish.

And all fishing poles are not created equal just as one bow-and-arrow is not equal to another. Do we still use wooden fishing poles and wooden arrows? Are we going to hell and back if we do?

Fuck, imagine this bullshit - someone using a wooden boat equipped with a 2-stroke engine. You think that's some outdated primitive nonsense, what if that motherfucker was fishing with a Zebco 33 reel, a fiberglass pole, and some DuPont .052 fluorescent with a motherfucking J-hook with barbs and he used live black crickets for bait AND he had a beard? Someone call Captain Paul Watson because this shit if getting out of hand!

Wow! You're either drunk or you've been standing too close to the smoker! What does a fucking fishing boat have to do with "sport"?

What does it matter if you kill your food with the assistance of a boat, 4-wheeler, car, bicycle, hiking boots, fishing pole, or spear? Is a fiberglass fishing boat with a conventional 4-stroke more-better than a wooden boat with a 2-stroke? Is a spear more-better than a rock with some cheese under it? Should we only be allowed to use a fiberglass boat because it's better in just about every way? Should we only be allowed to use graphite fishing rods because they're more-better than wooden rods? Should we only be allowed to use guns to kill because they're more-better than spears?

 

[ERover82]

Wall of shit and none of it matters. When you value strapping go-pro's to your novelty weapon and flaunting it on youtube to show what a paleo operator your are, over quality of life, you have misplaced values and are generally a fucktard.

 

[D Chapman]

Wall of shit and none of it matters. When you value strapping go-pro's to your novelty weapon and flaunting it on youtube to show what a paleo operator your are, over quality of life, you have misplaced values and are generally a fucktard.

Seriously? Not to mention all the TV shows such as The Takedown, Adventure Bowhunter, Apex Predator, Arrow Affliction, Bowhunter TV, Old School Outdoors, Red Rising, Whitetail Properties, The Edge, Rugged Nation, North American Whitetail, Maximum Outdoors TV, Jim Shockey Outdoors, Duck Density, BuckVentures, Buck Masters, or The Woodsman; or fishing shows such as Bill Dance, Charlotte Harbor Chronicles, GoPro Redfish Cup, In-Fisherman TV, Lake Commandos, Saltwater Experience, Sweatwater, Into The Blue, or Wild Billz, why is this clown any different? Have you seen the thousands of reviews for GoPro mounts sold for bow's and rifles on Cabelas, Bass Pro, and Amazon? You think this is a new idea? Is this something only "paleo operators" do? It's pretty fucking common. People have been videotaping their kills since video cameras came out, long before your dad ever got your mom drunk and pregnant. People have been uploading these videos to the Internet since high-speed internet became a thing.

Quality of life? Really?