Cindy Sheehan?

[syoung]

Hey- if ya think it's a bad deal- don't join. Seems too many people take the easy money, easy rank and retirement benefits etc but then complain when they get called up. The whole friggin POINT of doing the one weekend a month and two weeks a year of training is to BE PREPARED FOR BEING CALLED UP. If the POINT of being in the reserve components is to be prepared to be called, then why bitch when it happens?
Any time we ever got reserve people- we stuck them in the support roles anyway. Those roles are REALLY important, but don't require too much training- since after all, they only did a weekend a month.

 

[RoverChic]

Hey- if ya think it's a bad deal- don't join. Seems too many people take the easy money, easy rank and retirement benefits etc but then complain when they get called up. The whole friggin POINT of doing the one weekend a month and two weeks a year of training is to BE PREPARED FOR BEING CALLED UP. If the POINT of being in the reserve components is to be prepared to be called, then why bitch when it happens?
Any time we ever got reserve people- we stuck them in the support roles anyway. Those roles are REALLY important, but don't require too much training- since after all, they only did a weekend a month.

Steve you make it out like the retirement is close to 5k a month?? You also make it out to seem like these guys are getting full benefits, Full E- or O-Pay. You were ACTIVE DUTY CORRECT? Did you get full time retirement when you turned 40?? Or had put in your 20 years? The answer is yes. Paul did it for the experience, the chance to fight for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness and lastly the knowledge he has gained. He doesnt bitch that it actually is putting him in the hole to be ON CALL per se.

Since when is BOOT CAMP EASY MONEY.. or OCS/Ranger School?? YOU WERE AIR FORCE STEVE.........Do they even have Boot Camp in the Air Force?

 

[SCSL]

I was wrong

I was wrong in my previous comment supporting Sheehan.
Her recent labelling of the irregulars, both Iraqi & foreign that are killing our soldiers, as "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" clearly demonstrates her ignorance and/or her political agenda. She is clearly reading the Michael Moore script, as her recent comments indicate. If you have not heard them,,,I encourage you to seek them out.

Not afraid to admit when I'm wrong,,,,,-SCSL

As for my other comments on our 1/2-ass, PC conduct of the war,,,,I stand by them.
FIGHT a WAR. Kill the enemy. Or do not fight it, and leave. Don't send my son, even if his ignorant ass is "ok with it" to a 'police action', 'nation building', or any other such nonsense amidst a brewing civil war.

SCSL//out

 

[syoung]

I don't see why you are complaining about it- It's one of those things you do because you 'feel' it. MANY people do it because it's easy money (although they don't quite realize it's not GOOD money). Same thought process that goes into people who think welfare is a good deal. Hell, it wasn't that long ago they figured out there was a large contingent of a friggin street gang in the reserves, selling money and running drugs in military shipments...
There are two kinds of people who do it- those who do the job because they want to and realize it probably isn't a "good deal" financially but they can see past the dollars. Then there are the people who do it because they can get some free stuff, a commissary pass and enough credit to buy some phat wheels for their Nissan Stanza.
There are doctors out there who got their entire schooling through the military and they now complain that they got called up to save lives and they can't make the payments on their Porsche without the boobie implant money they are used to. Guess what? Don't care.
Yes, I was USAF- and back when I went through it there was 'boot camp.' Now, it's all wussy and they can't hit ya for stuff. They can't even call your mother a whore anymore. The pay sucked, the conditions sucked but ya made the best of it and worked hard- you'd get promoted. I did. Some didn't work at it and got left behind- they are the complainers who are being forced out as 15 year E5's and E6's.

 

[mgreenspan]

YOU WERE AIR FORCE STEVE.........Do they even have Boot Camp in the Air Force?

Don't go bashing the Air Force. There is plenty to say about all services and that isn't necessary. I went through Basic Training at the Academy in the summer or 02. It was not fun and was extremely tough both physically and mentally. Going from being top dog in a high school to being nothing and barely being able to carry yourself daily is not easy on your mind. Running, low crawling, doing pushups, flutter kicks, or firemans carries for 6 weeks straight is not easy on top of doing all the obstacle courses and learning how to use an M16 and getting qualified on it on top of a spuratic sleep schedule. I gained 15 pounds during basic and I don't think it was b/c I was sitting on my ass. And it asn't like I was pathetic before I inprocessed as I had won plenty of titles at the district, regional, and state championship level for track and field in VA.

Why you gotta rag on the Air Force


And Tricare Prime sucks ass. That is all.

 

[RoverChic]

Why you gotta rag on the Air Force


And Tricare Prime sucks ass. That is all.

I am not "ragging" on the airforce.

According to Steve, most (or 1 out of 2 or 50%) Reservists are drug dealers. Or are looking to mod out their Nissan? WoW! Can we group all Reservists in this category? But hey I guess it is OK for Steve to bash Reservists then too Matt?? WHY DID YOU PICK MY POSTS OUT???? IS IT OK FOR HIM TO BASH THOSE PEOPLE??? I THINK IT IS PLAIN SHITTY! They work hard too. They have to go to Boot Camp, OCS, ect ect ect ....Not all of them mooch.

9-5 hours...The only way to go is Airforce. I have respect for ALL levels of the military. Plain and Simple.

 

[mgreenspan]

I am not "ragging" on the airforce.

According to Steve, most (or 1 out of 2 or 50%) Reservists are drug dealers. Or are looking to mod out their Nissan? WoW! Can we group all Reservists in this category? But hey I guess it is OK for Steve to bash Reservists then too Matt?? WHY DID YOU PICK MY POSTS OUT???? IS IT OK FOR HIM TO BASH THOSE PEOPLE??? I THINK IT IS PLAIN SHITTY! They work hard too. They have to go to Boot Camp, OCS, ect ect ect ....Not all of them mooch.

9-5 hours...The only way to go is Airforce. I have respect for ALL levels of the military. Plain and Simple.

wasn't just picking on your post friend, just quoted it when i read it. i can't say anything about reservists as i have only interacted with a few and they were all nice guys, f15 mechanics.

active duty deal drugs too sometimes. i remember recently some guys flying c-5s i think were dealing E and shipping it back from germany or something like that.

 

[RoverChic]

Actually I just think it is very disrespectful. I am rather brought back and more disappointed that Steve would group people together like that. In all my correspondance with Steve I would never have thought he would "group" people in a category like that. And I never would either....howeverI did it to prove a point. People assume things right? ASSUME = Makes an Ass out of you and Me.

I am editing to avoid yet another post.

And I never would either....howeverI did it to prove a point. People assume things right? ASSUME = Makes an Ass out of you and Me.

I made a point by stereotyping the USAF..From my past experiences/exposure, in regards to the USAF, is that for PT they meet at the Breakfast Bar and talk instead of working out. Or if You ever join the Military then go AirForce b/c those guys have it easy. (It reminds me of the way some Enlisted guys talk about Officers...) Of course, I know none of that is true however I did an analogy basically. Matt pointed out to me that this is obviously not true (Matt seemed offended or he would not have defended himself or the USAF). Just as I pointed out that not all Reservist are in it for rims. A little reverse psychology. I can handle all the lawyer jokes in the world however I do not agree with talking negatively about any level of govt/military (Irregardless of my past experiences with one group or another). And yes it reminds me of Monty Python....The only difference is "I got better"

 

[syoung]

I never said half of em- I just said it's just quite common. I used to spend quite a bit of time going to their houses and dragging them to the brig. Never said it's half- just said there's two kinds, and luckily most are NOT the bad kind.

Look at the vast majority of the ones that are complaining that 'so and so isn't fair' and 'I never planned/wanted to be deployed' etc. They are the ones who never belonged there.

Air Force Basic Training is cake- it's some of the training after that which is brutal. 9 to 5- that's funny. I went into hostile areas where taking small arms fire daily was normal- I'm sure someone in a fancy office with Jag Corp understands that! HA!

 

[RoverChic]

Air Force Basic Training is cake- it's some of the training after that which is brutal. 9 to 5- that's funny. I went into hostile areas where taking small arms fire daily was normal- I'm sure someone in a fancy office with Jag Corp understands that! HA!

Is this directed toward me? Really Steve, I have much higher expectations from you. If you feel the need to belittle me or my profession do it at MAR to my face.

 

[syoung]

You're taking this way too seriously...

You took a (what I thought) tongue-in-cheek shot at the USAF

9-5 hours...The only way to go is Airforce

so I thought I'de return a lawyer joke... you gotta be used to those by now.

I wasn't aware this was a real arguement. Kinda reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the guy goes in for an arguement and got the wrong room- got belittlement and complaint rooms before the arguement room.

 

[Eric N.]

So the lady is back and bush is at the ranch.. I'm wondering if one of those protesting ass clowns is going to do some thing stupid like jump the fence into bush land and get his ass wasted by the secret service.. I'd love to see that..





And you know the only good lawyer is a _ _ _ _ lawyer...

 

[gooddoggomez]

The next step in the process is to start bombing Tehran and Syria, but no politician has the nuts to do it. This problem isn't going away either. Do we wait until Tehran has a nuke before we do something? Military force will be needed against these nutjobs, as it is the only thing they understand.

And Karen, please! The war was illegal? Saddam was in violation of how many UN resolutions? By your standard, I guess all war is illegal, huh? Do you have one of those cute bumper stickers that says "Bush is a terrorist"?

Seems ironic, almost retorical.

gtt

 

[SCSL]

And Tricare Prime sucks ass. That is all.

LMAO !

 

[montanablur]

I think it is all agreed that we must stay our course. Finish what we started.

Though it was a bit bold of President Bush to claim Mission Accomplished on May 1, 2003.

With his latest speech claiming he will complete his mission I wonder what he was reffering to? It should have been Mission accomplished part I of V.

 

[Jake]

I think it is all agreed that we must stay our course. Finish what we started.

Though it was a bit bold of President Bush to claim Mission Accomplished on May 1, 2003.

With his latest speech claiming he will complete his mission I wonder what he was reffering to? It should have been Mission accomplished part I of V.

I don't think that he did claim "mission accomplished". What he said was that major combat operations in Iraq were finished. The mission accomplished sign belonged to the vessel he landed on. It indicated that, at that time, their mission was accomplished and they were headed home.

 

[montanablur]

I don't think that he did claim "mission accomplished". What he said was that major combat operations in Iraq were finished. The mission accomplished sign belonged to the vessel he landed on. It indicated that, at that time, their mission was accomplished and they were headed home.

Saying the mission accomplished sign belonged to the vessel is like saying your discoweb bumber sticker belongs to your car. Did the Navy get that banner made in the middle of the Persian Gulf? I just feel it's very Clintonian to blame the Navy for hanging the banner. It was a PR buffet that day. If you don't think that everything about that day was highly calulated I have some land in Nevada desert for sale... cheap.

 

[Jake]

Saying the mission accomplished sign belonged to the vessel is like saying your discoweb bumber sticker belongs to your car. Did the Navy get that banner made in the middle of the Persian Gulf? I just feel it's very Clintonian to blame the Navy for hanging the banner. It was a PR buffet that day. If you don't think that everything about that day was highly calulated I have some land in Nevada desert for sale... cheap.

The banner belonged to the vessel, do a lexus-nexus. Did it provide a great backdrop? Yes. There is no blame for the Navy, the mission of the vessel was accomplished, they were going home after supporting the invasion. Of course it was a highly calculated and orchestrated event, so what? What is inherantly wrong about that? By the way, the ship most likely made the banner in it's print shop or bought it pre-cruise, what about that is so hard to believe?

If this is the worst thing that your side can find wrong with Dubya's presidency, then you are pissing up a rope............It was a plug for OUR side, America.

 

[Bannon88]

If this is the worst thing that your side can find wrong with Dubya's presidency, then you are pissing up a rope............It was a plug for OUR side, America.

Jake,
I hope you have your flame suit on, because after leaving the door open with that comment about the only thing wrong with W's presidency I can hear them frantically getting ready to protest. Next thing you'll know they be camped outside your house, waiting to talk to you.


Liberals you can't live with them, you can't kill them. But if you do kill one rest assured you won't spend to long in jail, some liberal judge will feel sorry about your rights being violated and set you free after 2 years.

 

[Jake]

Jake,
I hope you have your flame suit on, because after leaving the door open with that comment about the only thing wrong with W's presidency I can hear them frantically getting ready to protest. Next thing you'll know they be camped outside your house, waiting to talk to you.


Liberals you can't live with them, you can't kill them. But if you do kill one rest assured you won't spend to long in jail, some liberal judge will feel sorry about your rights being violated and set you free after 2 years.

Thanks for the warning, I knew that it would be a flame drawer. There are many things that are less than perfect with the current presidency, but I am soooo tired of hearing about the "Mission Accomplished Banner" like it was a serious conspiracy.

liberals. cant live with them, cant hunt 'em with dogs.............

Cindy is back this weekend and there will be a significant anti-Cindy protest this weekend.........