Diesel swap???

[Mongo]

A LR motor into a D2, not black magic at all, get the proper ecu's and it's pretty simple, change the mounts, fuel system and raditor and it's pretty much done. Can probably get away with v8 trans.tcase also...

It's when u try and put a NON-LR motor into a D2, that's where it get's complicated...

 

[Justin Kurosaki]

The frame rails on a DII are too narrow for a 6.2/6.5 duramax, but they will fit a D-90 or a series II? Is that really correct?

The 6.2/6.5TD should fit, although there will probably be some clearance issues with the turbo on the TD - they were designed to fit in most SBC applications despite being a bit larger.

You are probably right about the Duramax though as it won't fit in the older pre-duramax SBC trucks like the K1500/Yukon/Blazers without heavy modifications.

 

[piper109]

One possibilty not mentioned is the D24T engine. This is hard to find as in the USA, it was only fitted to some Volvo diesels in the mid 80's.
It is a 2.4 litre, 6 cyl and turbo and puts out about 110 HP and it is essentially a Rabbit diesel with 2 more cylinders. No electronics, just a mechanical VE pump. Power is similar to the 200tdi used in Europe.
In the Volvos it was usually mated to a ZF 4HP24 transmission which is the same as used in the Disco 1. Also used a 4 speed with o/drive.
I figure it may be possible to swap the bell housing on the Disco ZF tranny and fit the Volvo ZF bell housing so the Volvo/VW engine will mate, then fab some engine mounts etc.
I am thinking of doing this but my present Disco 1 is a 5 sp which would be a lot harder to adapt even though I do have the Diesel engine with flywheel or flex plate. I fear that as the D24T likes to rev it would be great in 4th gear and tiresome in 5th.

Steve

 

[DevilDisco]

I thought that you could not get a TD5 registered in the US. I understand that a TD5 with the right tuning would move a DII as will as a V8 some claim even better but since the engine does not pass emissions it would be a pipe dream.

 

[Blueboy]

They told me that you might be able to shed some light on my situation.
I have a 2000 Disco II and I am wanting to to a huge overhaul to the heart of my Rover. I want to swap the engine from the V8 to a Diesel.

yes, after reading your post, I can understand why "they" suggested you post here.


Jaime

 

[mchomes]

If you are serious, and have the dough, contact 4x4 labs inc. in Grass Valley, CA. Luke Porter specializes in diesel swaps, and has put a 6bt into an fj-60. His fortay is the mercedes 300d into fj's. He is familiar with and respects rovers, and I would love it if he made a bellhousing adapter (he makes his own). Please do not call him just to pick his brain unless you are ready to really do it.

 

[ausdisco]

i've seen the international HS2.8 TGV 2.8L intercooled indirect injection turbo diesel inline 4 (101kw 375Nm) in a few defenders and is another, arguably better,donk than the TD5 here's a link you might be able to use.sometimes i wish i had the V8 not TD5...funny how we always want something else.hope this helps
[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]http://www.mdengineering.co.uk/pdf/29~NEW%20ENGINES%20WITH%20KITS.doc.[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Nargun]

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Moosey the second problem with most diesel swaps, other than cost/complexity, is road speed. If you are looking for a semi-comfortable D2, which is the main advantage of the D2 IMO, a diesel swap isn't the way to go. Road going performance won't match the gas V8 and gas mileage in the D2 won't be as good as the ECR information leads you to believe.

Gas mileage not that good?

I average 1000 km (620 miles) on 1 tank from a manual TD5.

Road going performance?. It won't match a V8 away from the lights and you have to plan your overtaking, but it will cruise all day at freeway speeds and doesn't die on hills (not that we have too many in Oz); of course you might have to concentrate and actually drive the vehicle rather than aim it
Garth

 

[derrickalda]

Derrick, a swap in a D1 is much more simple than in a D2. Using a RRC, Defender, or D1 is going to be much easier when youre swapping anything like axles or powertrains. We want to do a P38 next. But if you want to do a diesel in a P38 or a D2, you basically are going to be building a whole new truck from the ground up, and a major part of that is an almost complete re-wire of the onboard electrical systems of either of those trucks.

I just put a new gas engine in my truck...in the long run i bet a diesel would of cost me less. But actually I'm working with some fellows that are wanting to start a company that brings green ideas to the world. so we are working on trying to get funding, one of the projects we have up in the air is dieseling my rover, and converting to veggie power. the company is called green my ride.....i just finished a rough rough homepage and contact page. its not ready to go mainstream yet, but it shows investers that we have the makings of a website.... www.greenmyride.com

 

[p m]

It's when u try and put a NON-LR motor into a D2, that's where it get's complicated...

I still salivate at the idea of swapping the LR block for a Buick 350 V8. I beat myself for not having measured up the bolt pattern on the old block I tossed away - but the BOP pattern is well-known.
The Buick 350's low-end torque is unbelievable, compared to a Rover V8. I have one particular "test" hill on my way to work - Disco (on 265s) cannot keep the speed up to 50 at the top of the hill in the 3rd gear; LWB can - but barely, and only if I take off near 65-70 at the bottom of the hill. The jeep with the 350 - start at 55, exit at 55, no movement of the gas pedal.
Of course, everything comes at a price - it's 10mpg vs 13-14 of Disco's and 15-17 of LWB.
And, of course, not in a D2 - it can only be done for 3.9/4.2.

As far as diesel conversions, I'd buy a diesel wreck from U.K. and have it shipped here, and do a body swap. P.T. should be able to cast some light into what's involved.

 

[Mongo]

anything is possible, just depends on how much cash you want to spend...

 

[ptschram]

As far as diesel conversions, I'd buy a diesel wreck from U.K. and have it shipped here, and do a body swap. P.T. should be able to cast some light into what's involved.

The shipping of a DII would be a problem as the truck wouldn't be importable. You'd have to chop it up pretty good to get it in as "Parts" and then, you'd run the risk of damaging the wiring harnesses. As the harnesses are most of what you're going that route to get, you'd want to keep an eye on it.

Worse yet, I've not seen good results when folks contract with folks in the UK to prepare things for shipment. Boneyard engines, assured to be good and running arrive here caked in mud, butchered engine wiring harnesses, vehicles that were supposedly built by pros arriving cobbled together, the list goes on.

I found a lot full of decommissioned bread trucks last week! Still trying to find out what's going on with them.

 

[Mongo]

4BT Paul...

 

[Moosey]

Whoooo!
Thank you all!!! This is the best response that I have every gotten back about a post!

I like to hear that I can/might be able to put a Cummins in the rover. As that I and a BUNCH of my friends would be doing the swap our selves. I for myself have never done engine work but I have done a lot of body work and fabrication. That is where the friends come in. They are all licensed mechanics and one with his own shop. So that for me is a ++. Really for me what it will come to is doing the research and finding everything that I will need and the right parts. And really deciding what engine I will want to drop in.

And yes Jeep does have a Diesel it was featured in last month’s Diesel Power magazine. The '07 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0L CRD.

One of the main reasons that I am going diesel, is that the fact that I can make my own fuel. Not only that but it is WAY better for the environment. I figure with how things are going in this day and age. Driving a V8 Rover as much as I drive every day, and the amount of money that is put into gas for me. Almost $60 a week is gas. I get about 300 miles a week. That kills me every time! I have a place that will supply me with used oil and all I need is to build the tank to clean it and convert it. Along with that. I have some friends that would love to buy Bio Diesel from me. I have done the research on all that and it really is the better way to go.





Thank you all, this is the best site!!

 

[jwest]

Great idea. I love the idea of us being able to get better mpg on our used restaurant oils than funding the middle east and drilling in Alaska.

Where are you located anyway? "KC" is no state I've heard of. Kansas City? Kentucky? I've got a V10 Touareg right now that I'd love to drop into the LR3.... now we're talking serious $ for a serious mess of fiber optic wiring harnesses.

I may use this very helpful v8>diesel info in the future on my Disco 1 or 2 though.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

http://www.dieselengineclassifieds.com/

this guy says he can find you any engine anywhere in the world

he sourced a 4bt for 1000 bucks for a friend of mine...complete and running

 

[pjkbrit]

but what about the DMV and inspection...no way in New York.

 

[Mongo]

never even crossed this bridge...ob2 compliance

 

[Justin Kurosaki]

Gas mileage not that good?

I average 1000 km (620 miles) on 1 tank from a manual TD5.

Road going performance?. It won't match a V8 away from the lights and you have to plan your overtaking, but it will cruise all day at freeway speeds and doesn't die on hills (not that we have too many in Oz); of course you might have to concentrate and actually drive the vehicle rather than aim it
Garth

Combined MPG for a D110 TD5 is less than 21 miles per US gallon as per LR. Which is better than the V8 but definitely not what ECR was mentioning. Of course they were using numbers from lighter Series and D90s. I sure in the hell won't spend 10k upgrading my 4.0 to a TD5 just to get a few MPGs and a slower vehicle.

As far as road going performance goes I was not talking only about the TD5. For many of us here in the US, a TD5 just barely meets the HP requirements to keep up with traffic on some of the busier expressways. Heck even my lifted 4.0 needs a tailwind sometimes.

My point was to make sure everyone understands that the MPG and HP numbers for one car do not equate with the heavier D2. A stock 4BT, mercedes, or 6.2 will have to run nearly flat out RPM wise on the highway killing every gas mileage advantage a diesel has. And none of these engines are exactly what one would call smooth. Bump up the power and they will vibrate your fillings loose.

I purchased a diesel for my SIII (a Nissan 3.3l) which was fine for an already slow but light truck, but options for D2s are limited. There just aren't that many bigger diesels that both fit in the bay without butchering and have the RPM's for highway use.

 

[ptschram]

Justin:
Even the 2.8 TGV has been proven to be less than ideal for continuous highway speed driving. They seem to have a habit of sucking oil through the breather and through the turbo.