Diesel swap???

[German Gr?ner]

In the country from Diesels, the preferred options for the Disco would be TDI300 (or "Maxxion") or 2,8TGV.
TD5?s and "newer" engines suffer often problems with our "third world" Diesel fuel.
This should be take in mind when it is planned to make international trips.
But may be You at home are not allowed to make the cloud of smoke that spears the standard TDI300 by starting

 

[Lucas]

Derrick, a swap in a D1 is much more simple than in a D2. Using a RRC, Defender, or D1 is going to be much easier when youre swapping anything like axles or powertrains. We want to do a P38 next. But if you want to do a diesel in a P38 or a D2, you basically are going to be building a whole new truck from the ground up, and a major part of that is an almost complete re-wire of the onboard electrical systems of either of those trucks.

Unless a certain motor wont fit inside an engine bay there is no end to what type of swap one can do. It all boils down to time, money, and labor.

How about the D1 with the Lucas 14CUX system. Will it work on a diesel swap?

 

[ajh]

I am currently putting a 6BT into a RRC, and the customer wants it done right. Those numbers above reflect our current build, so its not just BS ive pulled out of no where.

Wow, I'd love to chat about putting a Diesel into an Ibex. I'm thinking the 4.5L Duramax when it comes out. The donor vehicle would be a 1993 Defender 90 or 110.

 

[ausdisco]

sorry for digressing but,i was amazed when,recently, i discovered theTD5s werent sold in the U.S,so does that mean the D1 TDis weren't either? i absolutely love those trucks!

 

[Timmy!!!!!!!]

nuts and bolt! nuts and bolt! We got SCREWED!

 

[ptschram]

How about the D1 with the Lucas 14CUX system. Will it work on a diesel swap?

LOL, on a Lucas, all that is retained is the body of the truck!

 

[ajh]

Yeah, the day the D2 turns 15 I import a Diesel version and start the swap. Imagine, 1000km/tank running on vege oil. (ok an extended range tank) with a propane conversion kit in as well to even more flexibility.

 

[jaacina]

The Sprinter vans have impressive power. They can almost out accelerate 4.0 V8 Discos. They are big vehicles as well. Still OBDII compliant, not sure what the wiring harness mess would be like though.

 

[ChicagoDon]

The Sprinter vans have impressive power. They can almost out accelerate 4.0 V8 Discos. They are big vehicles as well. Still OBDII compliant, not sure what the wiring harness mess would be like though.

Mercedes was having issues with that motor, they already phased it out after less than 4 years. They are now using a V6 CRD.

The problem I came to realize when looking for what diesel would be best in a D2 made me realize that there really isnt a good one at an affordable cost. To be able to comfortably cruise on the highway and have enough power in town is important to most D2 owners, as a D2 is not an RRC and is usually a truck that people drive around, not a dedicated trail truck. The only diesel that I think would actually be "fun" in a D2 and economical would be a brand new crate Cummins 4 CRD. The 4cyl version of the 04.5-06 Cummins 6 CRD that comes in the Rams. This motor is only put in freightliner step vans and some new ambulances. It is higher revving, and very economical. Its more powerful and peppy than a tuned 4BT, but you get great mileage too. Only problem is that its a $15K crate motor. The D2 body just does not work well with the 6BT or 6 CRD Cummins, and besides one of those, you will not like the road manners that you will get with any of the other current diesel options that fit into a D2.

That is why I am putting in an LS2. 450hp, and I'll get better gas mileage too since the engine is much more advanced. And it will still pass emissions. Plus, the fun of 450hp far outshadows the mileage of a diesel. I still think putting a basic SBC into a disco is a dumb idea, but the LS2 is such a well built engine its worth it.

 

[Moosey]

Thank you Don,
So if I were to sell my D2 and let?s say get a '95 D1. How would that change on getting a diesel? Would it allow for a slightly bigger engine and more road manners? Or how different of a change is the bay from the D2 to the D1? Changing stuff such as the T-case and axels is no big deal for me, and working out some sort of correct wiring harness can be done. The money factor is really just about how much I would like to spend. I can go out and buy a new diesel truck for more or equal to what I would spend on the rover. The thing is, is that I want a Diesel and in a Rover for many reasons. I could go out and buy a truck with the money or I could do the right thing and have a Rover with a powerful diesel!

You said
"The D2 body just does not work well with the 6BT or 6 CRD Cummins..."
I do believe you on this but I am just curious about it. What obstacles does the body and frame cause to having one of those diesels?

Thank you.

 

[ChicagoDon]

Thank you Don,
So if I were to sell my D2 and let?s say get a '95 D1. How would that change on getting a diesel? Would it allow for a slightly bigger engine and more road manners? Or how different of a change is the bay from the D2 to the D1? Changing stuff such as the T-case and axels is no big deal for me, and working out some sort of correct wiring harness can be done. The money factor is really just about how much I would like to spend. I can go out and buy a new diesel truck for more or equal to what I would spend on the rover. The thing is, is that I want a Diesel and in a Rover for many reasons. I could go out and buy a truck with the money or I could do the right thing and have a Rover with a powerful diesel!

You said
"The D2 body just does not work well with the 6BT or 6 CRD Cummins..."
I do believe you on this but I am just curious about it. What obstacles does the body and frame cause to having one of those diesels?

Thank you.

Engine bay length and height. Those are what keep the 6cyl Cummins motors out of a disco. Going from a D2 to a D1 wont change anything. I have just always seen the D2 as more of a DD / multipurpose truck, where as the D1 is more of a trail ready truck never made to be remotely fast. Any small diesel in a Disco will be sluggish, unless you spend alot of cash. And if you can afford it, go for a 4cyl CRD Cummins and put it in your D2.

 

[Moosey]

Thank you once again Don.

You have answered all my questions. I know who to come to now.
I know that I will have a lot more questions in the future!

When I am to start my Diesel swap I will let you all know. But that will not be for a few more months.

How much do you think that I could sell the engine in the rover for now? It has 63k on it and has been maintained by the dealer. I would just like a rough guess. Thanks and look I just asked another question.
With me it is never ending...

 

[ChrismonDA]

The engines were built by Moto Vitori (sp?) an Italian diesel engine builder.

I thought it was a Renault diesel copied from Nissan?

 

[Mongo]

I have one problem with Don comments... a D1 swap with 300tdi or TD5 is much easier and more common place. It's actually the best option going time and money wise...

 

[ajh]

Another 2 years and I'll be able to bring in a D1 Diesel Too bad it's not a simple swap into a D2 and Canadian imported ones can't be sent to the USA, that would be profitable

 

[Moosey]

I have one problem with Don comments... a D1 swap with 300tdi or TD5 is much easier and more common place. It's actually the best option going time and money wise...

I agree with this because of course the engine is made by Land Rover and thus the parts will go together A LOT easier. But I have not heard the best about the Rovers Diesels. Not saying that they are bad and I will never touch one. Just that I know that Cummins builds very well built and powerful diesels. Doing any body mod to the rover is no big deal. Shoot if I had the right stuff and money I would extend the front end and allow it to fit a 6BT or 6 CRD or whatever other one I could find. Whatever it may be I am going to research the 4 CRD. I am not yet set on this single engine.

[FONT=&quot]Shoot if I had the money, I would get a team of Engineers together and Design a Very Powerful diesel that would fit like a glove in the Rovers. The only bad thing is that I live in American and own an English car... [/FONT]

 

[DOHC Holliday]

Another 2 years and I'll be able to bring in a D1 Diesel Too bad it's not a simple swap into a D2 and Canadian imported ones can't be sent to the USA, that would be profitable

Can they be driven over the border? That's all we'd need.

Or all I'd want...

 

[jaacina]

The LS engine would be very cool in a Disco II. I have thought about putting one in mine, but did not get very far into it. Interacting the new ECM with the BCU I need to dig into more. That and I don't want to spend the money right now. If you come up with any ideas on that let us know.

I am building a 383 for my FJ40. Not sure what fuel injection system it will have though. I certainly did think about the Cummins 4BT, but didn't really want to lift it that high to clear the oil pan. Trying to keep the lift at about 2.5 to 3 inches only.

Mercedes was having issues with that motor, they already phased it out after less than 4 years. They are now using a V6 CRD.

The problem I came to realize when looking for what diesel would be best in a D2 made me realize that there really isnt a good one at an affordable cost. To be able to comfortably cruise on the highway and have enough power in town is important to most D2 owners, as a D2 is not an RRC and is usually a truck that people drive around, not a dedicated trail truck. The only diesel that I think would actually be "fun" in a D2 and economical would be a brand new crate Cummins 4 CRD. The 4cyl version of the 04.5-06 Cummins 6 CRD that comes in the Rams. This motor is only put in freightliner step vans and some new ambulances. It is higher revving, and very economical. Its more powerful and peppy than a tuned 4BT, but you get great mileage too. Only problem is that its a $15K crate motor. The D2 body just does not work well with the 6BT or 6 CRD Cummins, and besides one of those, you will not like the road manners that you will get with any of the other current diesel options that fit into a D2.

That is why I am putting in an LS2. 450hp, and I'll get better gas mileage too since the engine is much more advanced. And it will still pass emissions. Plus, the fun of 450hp far outshadows the mileage of a diesel. I still think putting a basic SBC into a disco is a dumb idea, but the LS2 is such a well built engine its worth it.

 

[Buddy]

Anybody ever consider a Daihatsu 2.8 turbo diesel conversion? I think Robert Davis in VA has been working on a kit for the DI and RRC.

 

[ajh]

Can they be driven over the border? That's all we'd need.

Or all I'd want...

Yes, I could import them and then sell the internals fine too.