Government knows better than parents

[knewsom]

Dan, the USDA has been issuing dietary requirements and nutrition guidelines for DECADES. This is not something new thanks to the Obama administration.

O'Reilly ignores the facts, like he usually does. "Schools are interpreting those guidelines any way they want." WRONG. They are interpreting those guidelines based on STATE REGULATIONS. NORTH CAROLINA STATE REGULATIONS.

The nanny state here isn't the fucking Obama administration, which is issuing the same goddamned nutrition guidelines that the executive office has issued for DECADES. The nanny state in question here is North Carolina, whose legislature and senate are dominated by REPUBLICANS.

Sorry, but trying to put this on Obama is fucking RIDICULOUS Dan, and you and BIll O'Reilly both sound like a couple of tools for doing so. I don't care if you disagree with the administrations actual policies, but please at least TRY to be factual in your criticism.

 

[AMCM Disco]

Ha! It a teachers job to teach, it's a PARENT'S job to discipline. Here in NC paddles still hung on the wall with big holes in'em when I was in school. How times have changed.

FIFY.

atriot:

 

[az_max]

Teachers should be able to take away a kids lunch if it's something like that and give them a cafeteria meal, AND the parents should be disciplined.

Who pays for the school lunch? If the school shoulders that responsibility, then I'm sending my kid to school everyday with an empty aluminum can and a couple of rocks in their lunch bag. The school can then feed my kid for free.
If it's the parents who has to pay, I'm going to have a problem with it. Sack lunches are about 1/3 the price of school lunches. Even cheaper if it's leftovers (ham, chicken, soups,etc.) There are millions of families who can't afford 2-3 kids lunches at regular prices and still feed/clothe/house their family the rest of the month. Some people's paychecks barely cover daycare (or pre/after school care) and their other bills. Add $60/mo per kid and it could be the breaking point.

A local radio station was discussing this issue the other day and a parent called in. He had received a letter stating that he has to send his kid with a half-pint of milk in his lunch. He told them that his kid hates milk and will refuse to drink it. They responded that that's OK, they'll pour it out for him and give him some juice...Just send him with the milk from now on.

That's just a damn waste of money. I'd fight that one tooth and nail.

 

[D Chapman]

Dan, the USDA has been issuing dietary requirements and nutrition guidelines for DECADES. This is not something new thanks to the Obama administration.

Guidelines are fine. Have all the guidelines you want. I don't care. If the USDA of FDA want to tell the schools what they can and cannot sell, fine. But when you look in a kids lunchbox that a parent packed for them and tell them something is unfit to eat, that's a problem.

O'Reilly ignores the facts, like he usually does. "Schools are interpreting those guidelines any way they want." WRONG. They are interpreting those guidelines based on STATE REGULATIONS. NORTH CAROLINA STATE REGULATIONS.

Then what was the case in NC this week when a students lunch of a turkey sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice?

This was not based on North Carolina state guidelines, Kris. This was based on US Department of Agriculture guidelines. Do you understand the difference?

The nanny state here isn't the fucking Obama administration, which is issuing the same goddamned nutrition guidelines that the executive office has issued for DECADES. The nanny state in question here is North Carolina, whose legislature and senate are dominated by REPUBLICANS.

Ummm, keep reading. Here, I'll give you a hint.

Sorry, but trying to put this on Obama is fucking RIDICULOUS Dan, and you and BIll O'Reilly both sound like a couple of tools for doing so. I don't care if you disagree with the administrations actual policies, but please at least TRY to be factual in your criticism.

LOL. You're clueless.

 

[AMCM Disco]

These are the same people who think that tomato sauce on a slice of frozen cardboard pizza counts as a vegetable...

 

[D Chapman]

These are the same people who think that tomato sauce on a slice of frozen cardboard pizza counts as a vegetable...

Exactly.

 

[Roverlady]

There was a local story not too long ago about a student who was given a piece of bread and a jug of milk for lunch because the lunch fund account had not been paid by the family. (S)he would have been better off getting those chicken nuggets too!

 

[knewsom]

This was not based on North Carolina state guidelines, Kris. This was based on US Department of Agriculture guidelines. Do you understand the difference?

The North Carolina State Law states that students must be served lunches that comply with USDA guidelines.

USDA made the guidelines, like they have for ages. State law MADE the school ENFORCE THOSE GUIDELINES and turned them from guidelines into hard and fast rules.

From the article you just posted:

A regulation from the state's Department of Health and Human Services says lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs -- even those brought from home -- should adhere to the USDA guidelines.

I'm sorry, WHO the fuck is clueless?

 

[jim-00-4.6]

While we're on the subject of what our kids eat, I sent my 4 year old to school this morning with an almond butter and jelly sandwich (<b>no PB anymore, too many kids with allergies</b>), an organic apple, string cheese, raw broccoli (by his own request), and chocolate milk as a treat. His school has some rules regarding what I can send to school with him. No candy, <b>no peanut products</b>. He's brought such things as pizza and beef jerky along with the standard carrots, goldfish, cucumbers, blackberries, apples, and oranges. No complaints.

So you're not allowed to send a PBJ, which your kid might just really like (mine does), because <b>some other kid</b> might have a peanut allergy?
Maybe if that other kid didn't steal your kid's lunch, his peanut allergy wouldn't be your problem.

Fuck that shit.

If you have food allergies or dietary restrictions or whatever, maybe you should be bringing your special food to school/work/social functions.
Then my ham sandwich with peanut butter won't affect your muslim pork problem, or your peanut allergy.

Oh, I'm sorry.
"It's for the children."

 

[rovercanus]

These are the same people who think that tomato sauce on a slice of frozen cardboard pizza counts as a vegetable...

That would be Ronald Reagan.

 

[knewsom]

So you're not allowed to send a PBJ, which your kid might just really like (mine does), because <b>some other kid</b> might have a peanut allergy?
Maybe if that other kid didn't steal your kid's lunch, his peanut allergy wouldn't be your problem.

Fuck that shit.

If you have food allergies or dietary restrictions or whatever, maybe you should be bringing your special food to school/work/social functions.
Then my ham sandwich with peanut butter won't affect your muslim pork problem, or your peanut allergy.

Oh, I'm sorry.
"It's for the children."

This about sums up my initial response. Then I found out one of my kid's good friends at school is DEATHLY allergic to peanuts. They don't allow the kids to swap items or eat anything from each others' lunches, but crumbs happen, spills happen, high-fives are standard, close contact is common, etc. How shitty would I feel if my ego resulted in some poor kid having to be rushed to the hospital? Ergo, I use almond butter, which he likes just fine as well. PB is pretty much verboten in most schools these days.

 

[AMCM Disco]

So you're not allowed to send a PBJ, which your kid might just really like (mine does), because some other kid might have a peanut allergy?
Maybe if that other kid didn't steal your kid's lunch, his peanut allergy wouldn't be your problem.

Fuck that shit.

If you have food allergies or dietary restrictions or whatever, maybe you should be bringing your special food to school/work/social functions.
Then my ham sandwich with peanut butter won't affect your muslim pork problem, or your peanut allergy.

Oh, I'm sorry.
"It's for the children."

Darwinism... Oh, but we can't talk about that in school either.

 

[D Chapman]

The North Carolina State Law states that students must be served lunches that comply with USDA guidelines.

USDA made the guidelines, like they have for ages. State law MADE the school ENFORCE THOSE GUIDELINES and turned them from guidelines into hard and fast rules.

From the article you just posted:



I'm sorry, WHO the fuck is clueless?

Oh, so let me get this right. North Carolina has the option to opt out of these guidelines without the risk of losing Federal funding that make school lunches affordable?

Show me a state that has opted out.

Then tell me again that the Obama administration has nothing to do with this.

It's just wrong, Kris. The government should not be telling parents what to feed their kids. Period.

However, I do like how you just skipped right over the Monsanto comment.

 

[SGaynor]

PB is pretty much verboten in most schools these days.

I don't know what school you send your kid to, but in at least three states, that statement is wrong.

 

[knewsom]

Oh, so let me get this right. North Carolina has the option to opt out of these guidelines without the risk of losing Federal funding that make school lunches affordable?

Show me a state that has opted out.

Then tell me again that the Obama administration has nothing to do with this.

It's just wrong, Kris. The government should not be telling parents what to feed their kids. Period.

However, I do like how you just skipped right over the Monsanto comment.

I skipped the Monsanto comment because it's simply not part of this discussion - it's a separate discussion, and one that I by and large agree with you on. Again, it's a separate discussion though.

The federal affordable school lunch program is not new. It's been around a LONG time. Republican and Democrat presidents have overseen USDA guidelines for school lunches that are part of this program. Obama's USDA guidelines are not substantially different than they were before.

North Carolina's laws are written to enforce USDA guidelines for ALL school lunches, not just the ones the cafeteria serves. That's on them. NOT THE FED, and CERTAINLY not President Obama.

MY State government isn't telling me what to feed my kid. The USDA issues guidelines, and if I want I can wipe my ass with them. ...BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN NORTH CAROLINA.

 

[D Chapman]

I asked a few cops a simple question. It was, "If I do not have a CCW and I'm carrying a pistol in my car, where must that weapon be stored to avoid getting in trouble?".

Cop 1 - It must be in plain view
Cop 2 - It must be on a seat or on the dash.
Cop 3 - It must be in plain view and unloaded.
Cop 4 - It must be un-loaded, cased, and in the rear of the vehicle such as a trunk.

Who's right?

Bottom line, it's all in how you interpret the law. If I were to lay the gun on the passenger seat while driving and I got pulled over, cop 4 could take me to jail. The judge may toss this out, but that does not mean your day has not been ruined.

Same with this, Kris. North Carolina Department of Health falls under the guidelines of the US Department of Health - and guess who's guidelines they follow? This could have happened, and probably has, in any other state, including Kalifornia.

Bottom line, it's not right. It's not the role of Government.

 

[Blue]

I used to send my daughter to school with a PB&J at least once a week. If your child is allergic to peanuts then you have to teach your child to avoid it. I don't agree that just because 1 kid has an allergy to peanuts that means that no kids can enjoy peanut butter. If it's really that severe of a reaction then I guess I can understand a note going home to parents requesting that they don't bring evil peanuts to school.

Years ago I was on a ski lift with a young kid and his mother. The kid was in the middle. I tucked my gloves into my jacket and ripped open a little bag of peanut M&Ms and offered some to the kid. He just said no thanks and his mother absofuckinglutely freaked out and started yelling at me that he had a peanut allergy, acting as if I had offered him rat poison. The poor kid was mortified. I just said that it's OK, your son has it covered.

 

[D Chapman]

I skipped the Monsanto comment because it's simply not part of this discussion - it's a separate discussion, and one that I by and large agree with you on. Again, it's a separate discussion though.

How is it not? Monsanto has done more harm to our foods than any other company is history combined. Yet, Obama does not see the problem and installs one of Monsanto's CEO's on his staff.... But some of Obama's new guidelines on school lunches is okay? Why would Obama not lead by example? Since you're so keen on Monsanto you know what I'm talking about and I don't have to spend the next hour explaining it.

Oh, that's right, you still don't think Obama has anything to do with the school lunch program.

 

[knewsom]

Dan, if I looked at a cliff, and said it looked like a really cool cliff to jump off, and advised you to jump off it, and you did jump off it, is it my fault you jumped of a fucking cliff? No? Obviously, of course not. It's YOUR fault for jumping off a cliff. If the Federal Government issues guidelines, and a State Government makes a law MANDATING that those guidelines be followed, is it the Federal Government's fault that you're being FORCED to obey their guidelines? NO.

This is really simple Dan, put two and two together here. I don't think this is Government's role either.

 

[bovw]

So you're not allowed to send a PBJ, which your kid might just really like (mine does), because some other kid might have a peanut allergy?
Maybe if that other kid didn't steal your kid's lunch, his peanut allergy wouldn't be your problem.

Fuck that shit.

If you have food allergies or dietary restrictions or whatever, maybe you should be bringing your special food to school/work/social functions.
Then my ham sandwich with peanut butter won't affect your muslim pork problem, or your peanut allergy.

Oh, I'm sorry.
"It's for the children."

Did you not hear about the 7 year old girl who recently died after being given a peanut by a friend? How about the woman a couple years ago who died after kissing her boyfriend, who had just eaten a PBJ?

My daughter has a DEADLY nut allergy. We send lunch for her, she sits at a nut free table and all the kids in her class wash hands and face after lunch just in case. When there is a class party, we send something that she can have. When she goes to a birthday party, we send food that she can have. When we go to a social function, we take food that she can have. It's not as easy as you may think. Can you imagine what an 8 year old feels when all of her friends are eating cake and ice cream and you have an apple? We live it every day, and I'm glad that the parents of her classmates are much more receptive to the issue than you appear to be. Most of them try to provide something special just for her. She has an Epipen in her purse, which we had to get permission for her to keep on her person. We also provided one for the nurse, the gym teacher, the art teacher, the office, and one staying in the cafeteria.

I will also add that she was not born with these allegies. She used to eat nuts, shrimp, and cheese. When she was about 4 all of this came on out of the blue. One of these days, your child or grandchild may develop a allergy of some sort. It will change your perspective.

And Knewsom, my kids school provides PBJ free of charge if you don't have lunch to eat.

I used to send my daughter to school with a PB&J at least once a week. If your child is allergic to peanuts then you have to teach your child to avoid it. I don't agree that just because 1 kid has an allergy to peanuts that means that no kids can enjoy peanut butter. If it's really that severe of a reaction then I guess I can understand a note going home to parents requesting that they don't bring evil peanuts to school.

Years ago I was on a ski lift with a young kid and his mother. The kid was in the middle. I tucked my gloves into my jacket and ripped open a little bag of peanut M&Ms and offered some to the kid. He just said no thanks and his mother absofuckinglutely freaked out and started yelling at me that he had a peanut allergy, acting as if I had offered him rat poison. The poor kid was mortified. I just said that it's OK, your son has it covered.

Blue, that is what we have done. She won't touch sun butter because it looks like, smells like, and tastes pretty much like PB.