Government knows better than parents

[ptschram]

I think we are all losing sight of the fact that the world has lost Whitney Houston.

I think I might have a sensitivity to her music, Every time I hear it, I break out in hives and roll into the fetal position and begin screaming.

 

[toadermcgee]

I think we are all losing sight of the fact that the world has lost Whitney Houston.

Why did she have a penut allergy?

 

[Blue]

Apparently she had a crack allergy.

 

[knewsom]

How am I wrong, Kris? I've stated basically two facts that you do not agree with, 1) the government should not be telling parents what to feed their kids; and 2) the Obama's had something to do with these new school lunch guidelines. But you say I'm wrong.

No, what you said was,

That's Obama for you.

You didn't say, "Obama's got something to do with this," you said this is his doing.

The USDA does set guidelines. But it's the National School Nutrition Standards who adopt these guidelines and enforce them.

Adopt? Yes. Enforce? No, not unless you're talking about inspecting school cafeterias, then sure - but that's not what's under discussion here.

-The USDA is a federal government run program who has come up with a guideline on what school lunches should consist of.

-The National School Nutrition Association accepted these guidelines and enforces them. This is not a State program.

As I just said, their enforcement is limited to school cafeterias.

-The National School Nutrition Association formed a Task Force. Two rules the Task Force came up with are;
1)Federal standards will pre-empt state and local standards for all foods and beverages sold/served during the school day throughout the campus.
2)Compliance with Federal pre-emptive standards will require clear policies including enforcement, technical and financial support, and increased meal reimbursements.

-The you have the National School Lunch Program. Again, this is not a State run program; it's run by, guess who, the government. It's a division of the USDA.

Again, this policy is for school cafeterias, and it's really a carrot, not a stick.

Where the State comes in to play is at the National School Lunch Program level. States must follow these guidelines in order to qualify for federal reimbursement program. In order for a State to get reimbursed for school lunches, they must meet federal requirements. Reimbursement rates are established annually by the USDA.

Yes. In order to qualify for federal funding, state school cafeterias must serve USDA compliant meals. NOWHERE in these federal funding requirements does it state that if parents pack their own kids' lunches they must be USDA compliant.

So I don't care how you break it down, Kris, weather it's Federal, State, or Local government, the government should not be telling parents what to feed their kids.

Sure. The government shouldn't be telling parents how to feed their kids. ...but if parents are grossly neglecting their kids' diets (by not feeding them, or by feeding them a grossly abysmal diet), then that's where local authorities need to (and do) step in. This begins with teachers, progresses to administrators, and then to the department of HHS.

it's not the role of a teacher to tell parents what to feed their child. A teacher is a government employee hired by the City or County school district. The government should not be telling parents what to feed their child.

Like I said, we're agreed on this. But the government does have the authority (both moral and legal) to stop parents from neglecting or abusing their children, and diet can be part of this equation.

I'll agree with you that McDonalds may not be the best place in the world to eat. But have you looked at the line at the McDonalds lately? It's full of children. Why is it okay to eat breakfast or dinner at McDonalds, but not lunch? If these government thinks this type of food is unfit to eat, shouldn't they be more concerned with farming practices rather than what parents are sending their kids to school with to eat? That's where this shit starts to get backwards. Mrs. Obama has got her shit out of order.

The USDA doesn't concern itself with what parents are sending kids to school with to eat. The State of North Carolina, however, did - using USDA guidelines and applying them to something which they were never intended to apply to.

Again, Kris first said these guidelines were never meant to be enforced. But here's Kris again with his opinion that teachers (government employees) should be telling parents what to feed their child and and if it's not healthy enough the parents should be disciplined.

I'm sorry, but if you send your kids to school with a twinkie and a coke for lunch, you should not only have to pay for a proper meal for your kid, you should also get a swift kick in the balls.

I don't have kids.

That much is obvious.

But if I did have kids and if Kris, or some teacher, tried to discipline me for what I thought that kid needed, I'd take a ball bat to their forehead. It's not up to someone else to tell a parent how to raise their kid. Believe me, I know there is some strange parenting going on. I saw a lady the other day nursing what had to be a 3-year old. I find that very odd and it's something my wife would not be doing. But it's not up to me to say it's not right, and I'm damn sure not going to discipline them for what they're doing.

Sure, and then your kid would get to see you once a week through a plate-glass window.

The vast majority of people in the world nurse their children until age four or five, and breast-milk is the single most healthy thing a baby or toddler can consume.

I'm not into mandates either, but there has to be a limit - there's a point where malnourishing a child becomes neglect and abuse. If you can't admit that, then you should go have another redbull and think it over.

Sending a kid to school with a twinkie and a coke for lunch is not abuse, either, unless of course that 10-year old is 200lbs. But again, it's not the teachers jobs to enforce this.

Nope, its the teacher's job to talk with parents about this, and if no progress is made, to report it to the proper authorities. At least, that's how it works in the Great Republic of "Kalifornia", where people are reasonable and civilized.

You are correct.

You should've just left it with this and saved us both a bunch of time that we coulda spent doing something useful like fixing our trucks.

The USDA has been around for well over 100 years. I can remember making food pyramids as a kid in school back in the late 80's or early 90's.

But what was not around 100-years ago, or even last year, was a Task Force who's job it was to tell parents what they can feed their child! This is Obama's doings. If you do not think so, here.

From your link:

The proposed changes to school meal standards, which would add more fruits, vegetables, whole grains, fat-free and low-fat milk to school meals, are based on recommendations released in October 2009 by the National Academies' Institute of Medicine (IOM) and presented in their report, School Meals: Building Blocks for Healthy Children. Schools would also be required to limit the levels of saturated fat, sodium, calories, and trans fats in meals.

They want to give kids on assistance more fruits and vegetables, and less saturated fats, sodium, and trans-fat??? THOSE BASTARDS!

Note the absence of guidelines regarding what parents send their kids to school with to eat. These updated guidelines pertain ONLY TO CAFETERIA MEALS.

Kris say's O'Reilly is wrong on the subject. I bet Kris would never admit that O'Reilly is ever right on anything - that's just the way Democrats are.

Deflect, attack. Standard Republican tactic. Of course I can admit when I'm wrong - and when I am, I do. ...unlike Bill O'Reilly, and unlike you, who, in this very instance are as wrong as an emo haircut on a horse.

What State regulations are you talking about, Kris? The State follows Federal or National guidelines, not State laws. The States have to do this in order to keep their funding. That's like saying it's a State regulation that you must have a drivers license to drive a car and that the government has nothing to do with it.

That's funny, because last time I checked, here in California, parents can send kids to school with pretty much whatever they want, and we sure as shit get federal funding for our school cafeterias.

The State of Carolina went too far with their law. Federal guidelines have nothing to do with what parents send kids to school with, but the State of North Carolina applied those federal guidelines to sack lunches, which was never an intended use of said guidelines.

Furthermore, if this was a State regulation, why was a Federal Agent with the Health and Human Services the one who took the kids lunch in North Carolina?

The agent in question was doing so at the request of the state. Again, this is because of state law. That's why we don't have federal agents inspecting sack lunches in California.

Either way, it's the government (you decide Federal, State, or Local) telling parents how to raise their kids and that's just wrong.

Sure. ...but it's not the Federal Government telling parents how to raise their kids, it's the State Government, and you claimed it was Obama's fault. You're dead wrong, and you don't have a fucking leg to stand on, so just admit it already so we can move on.

The nutrition guidelines were "updated" by the Obama administration this year, not decades ago.

Yes, and they needed updating to improve the health of kids across the country who eat junk-food in the cafeteria every day. This is a good thing. There's nothing in the updated guidelines about what parents have to send their kids to school with. You're pointing the finger at the wrong folks.

After all this shit in NC, what has the kid learned? The she cannot trust her mom? Her mom does not know whats best? This is not about nutrition. This is not about making sure a kid eats right. It's about control. Obama likes to be in control of every public citizen in a public institution run by the government. And if you do not think so, why the fuck was there a Federal agent in the school looking in kids lunch boxes in the first place?

Again, because the state law put him there.

You seem to think this is limited to NC. It's not. Here is a news story from Kentucky.
http://www.wkyt.com/news/headlines/...cial_on_school_lunches_139395318.html?ref=318
What's the lesson learned here? Mrs. Rowe says, ?I think we can make it to where one day you?ll say ?that lady was here and I like this food now.? That?s what I?m working on,?. So in the kids minds, because the government got involved with school lunches, the food now taste good. Yeah government! Food provided by parents = not good.

When did it become the Federal governments job to make sure school lunches tasted good, anyway?

I'm sure this is all the kind of CHANGE people voted for.

That article talks about changing what schools serve children in Kentucky - about serving fresh fruits and vegetables, turkey tacos instead of french fries.... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOD SERVED BY PARENTS.

I suppose you probably think it's a bad thing that the Obama administration is improving the quality of cafeteria meals in both taste and nutritional value. Obviously they're trying to turn children against their parents with such evil devices as fresh fruit. For fuck's sake Dan, grow the hell up.

 

[Durt D1ver]

I don't agree with not allowing peanuts in public school. One of my coworkers kid is allergic to milk, so should we stop serving dairy in schools too? If a school informed me that someone in my kids class had a peanut allergy, I wouldn't send my kid in with a pbj out of respect for the other family. But i would have a problem with a public school banning foods.

That being said, my daughter's day care is completely "peanut free". But it's not a public school, and I really like the school and staff. I'm allergic to aspirin and motrin, if i take it my face and tongue swell up. When I hurt me back at work, I could only take tylenol, or narcotics, no anti-inflammitories. I convinced my doctor to give me some celebrex, because studies showed that theres a chance I wouldn't have a reaction. He gave me an epipen just in case.

 

[mgreenspan]

I think the government should inspect every cupboard and individual meals cooked at home, too.

Also, they should just invent a tap that you turn on and the government approved food comes out of it and you can eat it with a spoon from a bowl or drink it with a straw from a cup.

 

[jhmover]

I think the government should inspect every cupboard and individual meals cooked at home, too.

Also, they should just invent a tap that you turn on and the government approved food comes out of it and you can eat it with a spoon from a bowl or drink it with a straw from a cup.

I supposed you'll want to name it Soylent Greenspan?

 

[jhk07]

I am not a Peanut allergy expert.................all cases are different, but some of these kids/people have it bad.

A family in town had a fundraiser for one of these a couple years back.......


http://www.peanutdog.com/

 

[Some Dude]

My theory is that this is deeper and more corrupt than just simple nanny-state government overlording. This goes down to a bunch of corrupt lawmakers that were lobbied by some Dairymen's Association or Cattlemen's Association (etc) to implement the forced feeding of their products at institutional levels so the good ol boys can make more money supplying a product that is now state mandated.

Fuck lobbyists.

 

[rovercanus]

Whitney leaving this world via the watery gateway has nothing on the trials and tribulations of Kim Kardashian.

 

[Blue]

2nd N.C. Mother Says Daughter?s School Lunch Replaced for Not Being Healthy Enough

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/exc...-lunch-replaced-for-not-being-healthy-enough/

excerpts:

Diane Zambrano says her 4-year-old daughter, Jazlyn, is in the same West Hoke Elementary School class as the little girl whose lunch gained national attention earlier this week. When Zambrano picked Jazlyn up from school late last month, she was told by Jazlyn?s teacher that the lunch she had packed that day did not meet the necessary guidelines and that Jazlyn had been sent to the cafeteria.

The lunch Zambrano packed for her daughter? A cheese and salami sandwich on a wheat bun with apple juice. The lunch she got in the cafeteria? Chicken nuggets, a sweet potato, bread and milk.
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Bob Barnes, assistant superintendent of curriculum and instruction, told the McClatchy News Service Thursday that the first preschooler to make headlines just misunderstood her teacher when she thought she was told to ditch her homemade lunch for one from the cafeteria: the cafeteria items were only meant to supplement the food groups missing from the homemade lunch.

?We are not the lunch bag police,? Barnes told McClatchy. ?We would never put a child in any type of embarrassing situation. But we are responsible to see that every child gets a nutritious meal.?

Barnes confirmed there was an agent from Department of Health and Human Services? Division of Child Development and Early Education at the school Jan. 30 who examined six student lunches and determined one did not make the nutritional cut ? presumably the first little girl whose story made news.
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In a statement to The Blaze, the Division of Child Development and Early Education said it is investigating what happened but flatly denied any of its employees or contractors ?instructed any child to replace or remove any meal items.? The division issued a similar statement to McClatchy even after Barnes said it was one of their agents who examined the lunches.

?It is not DHHS? policy to inspect, go through or question any child about food items brought from home. The facts we have gathered confirm that no DHHS employee or contractor did this,? the statement said.
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So someone is lying....hmmm....is it Mr. Barnes the assistant superintendent of curriculum and instruction for the school......or is it Department of Health and Human Services? Division of Child Development and Early Education?

What a clusterfuck.

 

[Devildog01]

Whitney leaving this world via the watery gateway has nothing on the trials and tribulations of Kim Kardashian.

That bitch got mad badunk-a-dunk in da trunk.

 

[ptschram]

I supposed you'll want to name it Soylent Greenspan?

Brawndo!