Government knows better than parents

[knewsom]

How is it not? Monsanto has done more harm to our foods than any other company is history combined. Yet, Obama does not see the problem and installs one of Monsanto's CEO's on his staff.... But some of Obama's new guidelines on school lunches is okay? Why would Obama not lead by example? Since you're so keen on Monsanto you know what I'm talking about and I don't have to spend the next hour explaining it.

Oh, that's right, you still don't think Obama has anything to do with the school lunch program.

This has nothing, NOTHING to do with fucking Monsanto!!! Why don't you tell me what new guidelines have been issued by the USDA for school lunches since Obama took the Oval Office.

I'm NOT keen on Monsanto, and I'll thank you not to put fucking words in my mouth.

Jesus Dan, are you drunk!?

 

[Eric N.]

Does the agent that inspected the lunch hold the kids down and force them to eat the school lunch they were forced to buy? Or do they just put the food in front of the kid, charge the parents, and then throw it in the trash when the kid doesn't eat it? This has to be one of the dumbest things ever. My daughter hates the school lunches. She says they taste gross. So she won't eat them. What's better for the kid a home packed lunch that they eat or a school lunch they don't? Sounds like yet another waste of money paying someone to do a job that's not needed. I'm betting someone's brother in-law or cousin needed a job so they just made this one up. Or they were wasting too much lunch line food since no one was eating it at full price and this is a way for them to make up some losses. I can't believe that the parents at this school or even the whole state of NC are Ok with this and haven't done anything about it.

 

[jim-00-4.6]

Did you not hear about the 7 year old girl who recently died after being given a peanut by a friend? How about the woman a couple years ago who died after kissing her boyfriend, who had just eaten a PBJ?

no.

My daughter has a DEADLY nut allergy. We send lunch for her, she sits at a nut free table and all the kids in her class wash hands and face after lunch just in case. When there is a class party, we send something that she can have. When she goes to a birthday party, we send food that she can have. When we go to a social function, we take food that she can have. It's not as easy as you may think. Can you imagine what an 8 year old feels when all of her friends are eating cake and ice cream and you have an apple? We live it every day, and I'm glad that the parents of her classmates are much more receptive to the issue than you appear to be. Most of them try to provide something special just for her. She has an Epipen in her purse, which we had to get permission for her to keep on her person. We also provided one for the nurse, the gym teacher, the art teacher, the office, and one staying in the cafeteria.

I will also add that she was not born with these allegies. She used to eat nuts, shrimp, and cheese. When she was about 4 all of this came on out of the blue. One of these days, your child or grandchild may develop a allergy of some sort. It will change your perspective.

And in my post, I said "if you have special dietary requirements, you should bring your own food."
Which is what you do.
How are we at odds?

I'm familiar with Epipens, as my wife has 1 in her purse. I'm also familiar with how expensive they are, and that they expire.
Make sure all of yours out in the world are still in date.

My wife "developed" a shellfish allergy a couple years ago.
Does that mean restaurants should not serve shellfish because we came in?
No, it does not.

Like you, we take responsibility for ourselves.
I understand that it would be difficult for an 8-year-old to have to deal with this, but parental support and good friends go a long way.
"See little Bobby? He wears glasses because his eyes need help. You can't eat peanut stuff, not because of your eyes, but because your stomach needs a little help."
or something to that effect.

No child in the school is allowed to eat peanut butter because your child is allergic?
Not OK.

No one in Colorado should eat shellfish, because my wife is allergic?
Also not OK.

If, however, I invited your family to dinner, and you told me about this, you can be sure your child would be completely safe eating at my house.
Just like when my vegetarian friends come over. well, sorta, but you know what I mean.

 

[ptschram]

My daughter has a DEADLY nut allergy.

.

30 years ago, my parents and I were eating at one of the nicest restaurants in Fort Wayne.

I tucked into my steak. The next thing I knew, I was packed in ice on the floor in front of the salad bar with EMTs hovering about.

I had gone into anaphylactic shock from exposure to castor oil that was in a sauce that had been applied to my steak.

I probably won't survive my next exposure. My last bee sting caused a horrible reaction, I'm scared to death of what will happen if I'm stung again.

In '07 when I quit smoking, I was given Levaquin, a drug that triggered an auto-immune response that will kill me eventually.

Immunology/rheumatology is a field of medicine that not nearly enough is know about.

In the meantime, I'm eating shellfish and peanuts!

 

[LRflip]

Wow, why the hell are there inspectors digging through kids lunchboxes? This is ridiculous.

I hope they wash their hands from lunchbox to lunchbox...

 

[mjbrox]

To hell with preschoolers, they ought to implement that kind of meal inspection on the job. There's people in my office that hit Five Guys like three times a week.

that reminds me.


I love Five Guys

 

[LRflip]

Dan, the USDA has been issuing dietary requirements and nutrition guidelines for DECADES. This is not something new thanks to the Obama administration.

O'Reilly ignores the facts, like he usually does. "Schools are interpreting those guidelines any way they want." WRONG. They are interpreting those guidelines based on STATE REGULATIONS. NORTH CAROLINA STATE REGULATIONS.

The USDA is not run by the state.

The nanny state here isn't the fucking Obama administration, which is issuing the same goddamned nutrition guidelines that the executive office has issued for DECADES. The nanny state in question here is North Carolina, whose legislature and senate are dominated by REPUBLICANS.

Yes, for the last 15 months. But, It's been run by DEMOCRATS before that and since the beginning of the modern Democrat. The term "Southern Democrat" isn't what is used to be.

But, that isn't even part of the argument since The USDA is not run by the state.

Sorry, but trying to put this on Obama is fucking RIDICULOUS Dan, and you and BIll O'Reilly both sound like a couple of tools for doing so. I don't care if you disagree with the administrations actual policies, but please at least TRY to be factual in your criticism.

And to Dan's point, this is all Obama's fault.

 

[D Chapman]

This has nothing, NOTHING to do with fucking Monsanto!!! Why don't you tell me what new guidelines have been issued by the USDA for school lunches since Obama took the Oval Office.

I'm NOT keen on Monsanto, and I'll thank you not to put fucking words in my mouth.

Jesus Dan, are you drunk!?

I never said this had anything to do with Monsanto. You did.

I asked why it was okay for Monsanto to do what they do, but it's not ok to send a child to school with a twinkie?

 

[bovw]

no.


And in my post, I said "if you have special dietary requirements, you should bring your own food."
Which is what you do.
How are we at odds?

I'm familiar with Epipens, as my wife has 1 in her purse. I'm also familiar with how expensive they are, and that they expire.
Make sure all of yours out in the world are still in date.

My wife "developed" a shellfish allergy a couple years ago.
Does that mean restaurants should not serve shellfish because we came in?
No, it does not.

Like you, we take responsibility for ourselves.
I understand that it would be difficult for an 8-year-old to have to deal with this, but parental support and good friends go a long way.
"See little Bobby? He wears glasses because his eyes need help. You can't eat peanut stuff, not because of your eyes, but because your stomach needs a little help."
or something to that effect.

No child in the school is allowed to eat peanut butter because your child is allergic?
Not OK.

No one in Colorado should eat shellfish, because my wife is allergic?
Also not OK.

If, however, I invited your family to dinner, and you told me about this, you can be sure your child would be completely safe eating at my house.
Just like when my vegetarian friends come over. well, sorta, but you know what I mean.

It seems that we are in agreement. I apologize for mistaking the intent of your response, it is a issue close to my heart. Sometimes I respond to a perceved disregard to the topic before careful consideration. Sometimes I am just grouchy because I haven't had a PBJ in over 4 years....

My daughter also has a shellfish allergy. Taking PB out of the picture is one thing, but adding shrimp, scallops, and crabs to the mix is just downright nasty.

We have educated her well on the subject, she knows better than me sometimes what she can or can't have. On the plus side I guess, she eats a better diet than any other kid I know. The combination of her allergies rules out about 100% of the junk food on the shelves.

Cheers.

 

[knewsom]

And to Dan's point, this is all Obama's fault.

Then you're just as big a moron as Dan is.

I never said this had anything to do with Monsanto. You did.

I asked why it was okay for Monsanto to do what they do, but it's not ok to send a child to school with a twinkie?

Ok, you must be smoking crack. I never brought up Monsanto. YOU did.

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Once more. I'll say this ONE. LAST. TIME. The Federal Government (USDA) did not mandate ANYTHING. They issued nutrition guidelines. Like they always have (IE, no change from previous administrations). The Sate of North Carolina MANDATED that those guidelines be strictly adhered to in schools. The federal government is NOT the reason this child's lunch was taken away from her. The State of North Carolina IS.

 

[bovw]

In the meantime, I'm eating shellfish and peanuts!

Don't rub it in PT, it's not nice to gloat.

Glad you're still with us though.:victory:

 

[Mike_Rupp]

Sometimes I am just grouchy because I haven't had a PBJ in over 4 years....

I tend to read pretty quickly and sometimes I miss things or it doesn't make sense and I have to go back. This is what I thought Bovw wrote:

Sometimes I am just grouchy because I haven't had a BJ in over 4 years....

:rofl:

 

[D Chapman]

I swear, the way you interpret what you read is pitiful, Kris.

 

[knewsom]

I swear, the way you interpret what you read is pitiful, Kris.

What's pitiful is your complete lack of ability to simply admit that you are dead fucking wrong, and how you jumped to a wildly incorrect conclusion based on your own extreme political bias.

 

[Devildog01]

I think we are all losing sight of the fact that the world has lost Whitney Houston.

 

[LRflip]

I think we are all losing sight of the fact that the world has lost Whitney Houston.

:applause:

 

[D Chapman]

What's pitiful is your complete lack of ability to simply admit that you are dead fucking wrong, and how you jumped to a wildly incorrect conclusion based on your own extreme political bias.

How am I wrong, Kris? I've stated basically two facts that you do not agree with, 1) the government should not be telling parents what to feed their kids; and 2) the Obama's had something to do with these new school lunch guidelines. But you say I'm wrong.

Kris says:

The USDA requirements were probably intended to be a guideline, not requiring mandatory enforcement. In states/localites that DO enforce it, the judgement call should be up to the teacher so that there's a framework to help kids whose parents pack them a coke and a twinkie, and so kinds who won't eat stewed vegetables from the cafeteria can still eat real food for lunch.

This is not right, Kris. The USDA does set guidelines. But it's the National School Nutrition Standards who adopt these guidelines and enforce them.

USDA should set and enforce one set of uniform national nutrition standards for reimbursable school meals that are consistent with the goals of the 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans.

In spring 2007, SNA's Board of Directors established the SNA National School Food and Beverage Standards Task Force to develop a set of nutrition standard recommendations for both reimbursable meals and food and beverages sold or served outside of reimbursable meals. The Task Force of 10 included SNA members that are school nutrition directors and state agency directors, as well as SNA industry members and non-members who are academic experts in the nutrition field. The Task Force met on several occasions over 12 months under the leadership of SNA President-Elect Katie Wilson, PhD, SNS.

Are we on the same page here, Kris? If not, lets take a look.

-The USDA is a federal government run program who has come up with a guideline on what school lunches should consist of.

-The National School Nutrition Association accepted these guidelines and enforces them. This is not a State program.

-The National School Nutrition Association formed a Task Force. Two rules the Task Force came up with are;
1)Federal standards will pre-empt state and local standards for all foods and beverages sold/served during the school day throughout the campus.
2)Compliance with Federal pre-emptive standards will require clear policies including enforcement, technical and financial support, and increased meal reimbursements.

-The you have the National School Lunch Program. Again, this is not a State run program; it's run by, guess who, the government. It's a division of the USDA.

Where the State comes in to play is at the National School Lunch Program level. States must follow these guidelines in order to qualify for federal reimbursement program. In order for a State to get reimbursed for school lunches, they must meet federal requirements. Reimbursement rates are established annually by the USDA.

So I don't care how you break it down, Kris, weather it's Federal, State, or Local government, the government should not be telling parents what to feed their kids.

Kris then said:

I support the notion of having guidelines that teachers enforce in the spirit of the law, and depending on the kid in question, with communication with the parent. There's gotta be an option for kids who get sent to school with yesterday's McDonalds in a paper sack or a twinkie and a coke.

First Kris said the USDA's guidelines were just guidelines and were never meant to be enforced. But now Kris believes these guidelines should in fact be enforced because Kris does not think a child should be able to eat McDonalds food.

Again, it's not the role of a teacher to tell parents what to feed their child. A teacher is a government employee hired by the City or County school district. The government should not be telling parents what to feed their child.

I'll agree with you that McDonalds may not be the best place in the world to eat. But have you looked at the line at the McDonalds lately? It's full of children. Why is it okay to eat breakfast or dinner at McDonalds, but not lunch? If these government thinks this type of food is unfit to eat, shouldn't they be more concerned with farming practices rather than what parents are sending their kids to school with to eat? That's where this shit starts to get backwards. Mrs. Obama has got her shit out of order.

Kris later says:

Teachers should be able to take away a kids lunch if it's something like that and give them a cafeteria meal, AND the parents should be disciplined.

Again, Kris first said these guidelines were never meant to be enforced. But here's Kris again with his opinion that teachers (government employees) should be telling parents what to feed their child and and if it's not healthy enough the parents should be disciplined.

Wow.

I don't have kids. But if I did have kids and if Kris, or some teacher, tried to discipline me for what I thought that kid needed, I'd take a ball bat to their forehead. It's not up to someone else to tell a parent how to raise their kid. Believe me, I know there is some strange parenting going on. I saw a lady the other day nursing what had to be a 3-year old. I find that very odd and it's something my wife would not be doing. But it's not up to me to say it's not right, and I'm damn sure not going to discipline them for what they're doing.

Kris says:

as long as you don't do something moronic like sending your kid to school with a twinkie and a coke, you're not going to have any trouble with teachers being given some light authority

What authority should a teacher have over my kids lunch?! The teacher is there to teach, not to parent my child.

Kris' answer:

It IS a teacher's job to protect and ensure the welfare of their students, especially if there's evidence of abuse. ...sending kids to school with a twinkie and a coke or no lunch at all is borderline abuse and teachers should be able to do something about it.

If there is evidence of abuse the teacher should report this to a police officer. It is not the role of the school teacher to act as judge and jury.

Sending a kid to school with a twinkie and a coke for lunch is not abuse, either, unless of course that 10-year old is 200lbs. But again, it's not the teachers jobs to enforce this.

Dan, the USDA has been issuing dietary requirements and nutrition guidelines for DECADES. This is not something new thanks to the Obama administration.

You are correct. The USDA has been around for well over 100 years. I can remember making food pyramids as a kid in school back in the late 80's or early 90's.

But what was not around 100-years ago, or even last year, was a Task Force who's job it was to tell parents what they can feed their child! This is Obama's doings. If you do not think so, here.

Kris say's O'Reilly is wrong on the subject. I bet Kris would never admit that O'Reilly is ever right on anything - that's just the way Democrats are. But Kris says:

O'Reilly ignores the facts, like he usually does. "Schools are interpreting those guidelines any way they want." WRONG. They are interpreting those guidelines based on STATE REGULATIONS. NORTH CAROLINA STATE REGULATIONS.

What State regulations are you talking about, Kris? The State follows Federal or National guidelines, not State laws. The States have to do this in order to keep their funding. That's like saying it's a State regulation that you must have a drivers license to drive a car and that the government has nothing to do with it.

Furthermore, if this was a State regulation, why was a Federal Agent with the Health and Human Services the one who took the kids lunch in North Carolina?

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Either way, it's the government (you decide Federal, State, or Local) telling parents how to raise their kids and that's just wrong. O'Reilly hit the nail on the head.

The nanny state here isn't the fucking Obama administration, which is issuing the same goddamned nutrition guidelines that the executive office has issued for DECADES. The nanny state in question here is North Carolina, whose legislature and senate are dominated by REPUBLICANS.

The nutrition guidelines were "updated" by the Obama administration this year, not decades ago.

The Republican's took over the legislature and Senate in 2011 in NC. That's was the first time in a century this has happened. Are you saying that the NC Senate is getting shit done within 1-year of taking office? That sure makes Obama look bad while he's sitting in Washington blaming Bush for everything 3-years later....

Sorry, but trying to put this on Obama is fucking RIDICULOUS Dan, and you and BIll O'Reilly both sound like a couple of tools for doing so. I don't care if you disagree with the administrations actual policies, but please at least TRY to be factual in your criticism.

You still believe that Mr. and Mrs. Obama had nothing to do with any of this? Really?
http://www.fns.usda.gov/cga/pressreleases/2011/0010.htm



After all this shit in NC, what has the kid learned? The she cannot trust her mom? Her mom does not know whats best? This is not about nutrition. This is not about making sure a kid eats right. It's about control. Obama likes to be in control of every public citizen in a public institution run by the government. And if you do not think so, why the fuck was there a Federal agent in the school looking in kids lunch boxes in the first place?

You seem to think this is limited to NC. It's not. Here is a news story from Kentucky.
http://www.wkyt.com/news/headlines/...cial_on_school_lunches_139395318.html?ref=318
What's the lesson learned here? Mrs. Rowe says, ?I think we can make it to where one day you?ll say ?that lady was here and I like this food now.? That?s what I?m working on,?. So in the kids minds, because the government got involved with school lunches, the food now taste good. Yeah government! Food provided by parents = not good.

When did it become the Federal governments job to make sure school lunches tasted good, anyway?

I'm sure this is all the kind of CHANGE people voted for.

 

[Disco Dog]

For the record, there isn't any real chicken in those poison nuggets those dumps sell anyway.
For the record, the FDA used to tell you how much you should be eating of each food group each day, ( back in the 50,s) and people wonder why Americans are so fat and mostly unhealthy. Just think of the lost jobs and revenues if people actually ate healthy, this would not be good for our economy.
For the record, a long time ago it was realized that with population growth , there would not be enough real food to feed the people, so we invented hormone injected food, (like fatter chickens and cows ect ect, larger vegatables and fruits) with no long term knowledge of the decreased nutritional values, so basicly we are what we eat.atriot:

 

[jhk07]

I am not endorsing McDonalds.........



But if you sent your kid to school with a McDouble (cost $1) they would have 2 USDA inspected beef patties, bread, pickles, ketchup, onion, cheese. Slap some bacon on there, you got a sammich. If they are thirsty, find a water fountain.

Send an apple for good measure. Have I covered all the food groups ? It's been awhile.

 

[ptschram]

For the record, the FDA used to tell you how much you should be eating of each food group each day, ( back in the 50,s) and people wonder why Americans are so fat and mostly unhealthy. /QUOTE]

In 1942, the Dept of War realized that 40% of the conscriptees were being refused as being undernourished.

As a result, the USDA began the school meals program, etc.

In 2005, the DOD (as it's now called) realized that 40% of those volunteering for the military were unworthy due to obesity.

The very steps the government took to support family farms and improve health and nutrition resulted in the obesity epidemic.

Government-YEAH!